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| 03:19.22 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15macsforme pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02https://git.io/vXNsp |
| 03:19.22 | BZnotify | 13bzflag/062.4 14178de4c 15Joshua Bodine: Unbreak the build on Windows. |
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| 03:20.07 | macsforme | allejo earns his title once again <3 |
| 03:21.35 | allejo | <3 |
| 03:54.32 | JeffM | if developers should be do what players do, why don't you all develop under windows? |
| 05:43.19 | allejo | cuz some of us like using a superior OS? :p |
| 07:08.29 | the_map | just because we *can*, doesn't mean it's a good choice |
| 07:08.47 | the_map | we *could* write everything in assembly, but that doesn't mean we should |
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| 18:41.01 | blast007 | macsforme: I too was working on fixing the Windows build last night, though I had just included our network.h instead of winsock2.h directly. |
| 18:47.00 | blast007 | hmm, and I'll have to test that c-ares issue again. Their 1.11.0 release in February says it fixed a "slow DNS lookup issue" on Windows. |
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| 18:47.56 | blast007 | and 1.12.0 adds Visual Studio 2015 support |
| 18:48.17 | blast007 | ccb: ~50 is "no one barely" ? |
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| 18:49.39 | ccb | yup, compared to what it was a year ago on here. |
| 18:49.43 | ccb | or even maybe 6 months ago. |
| 18:50.50 | ccb | good to see the license change happened. guess the petition wasn't bad after all. |
| 18:52.14 | blast007 | it's been around 50 people on here for years |
| 18:53.02 | blast007 | saw a whole 61 at one point in 2014 |
| 18:54.43 | ccb | if you say so, sir. |
| 18:54.44 | blast007 | oo boy, almost 70 in 2013. hit 71 in 2007. |
| 18:56.22 | ccb | that's a big -20 users in 3 years. a catastrophie to be exact. |
| 18:57.03 | ccb | so now we can get bzflag on the apple app store, OUTSTANDING. |
| 18:57.31 | blast007 | if it gets to a point where it's usable, sure |
| 18:58.11 | ccb | well that doesn't take much. even with constitution's little work to the app the external blue tooth keyboard worked. |
| 18:58.25 | ccb | best to play it on a external blue tooth kb for optimal performance. |
| 18:58.40 | blast007 | nope, needs to be playable with just the touchscreen |
| 18:58.42 | ccb | not many will like sliding their finger or tilting a phone. |
| 18:58.47 | ccb | no that's not true. |
| 18:58.50 | ccb | nor pratical. |
| 18:58.58 | ccb | you could never compete well with a touch screen. |
| 18:59.08 | ccb | or atleast allow multiple input methods. |
| 18:59.16 | ccb | touch screen and kb, can't handicap someone to just touch screen. |
| 18:59.27 | blast007 | I never said it can only be on the touchscreen |
| 18:59.42 | blast007 | I said I need to be playable with just the touchscreen |
| 18:59.44 | ccb | i never said you did, you also never said it would. |
| 18:59.58 | blast007 | it needs* |
| 19:00.49 | ccb | the main people this would promote to are tablet users anyhow, but some will enjoy playing it on the fly. |
| 19:00.54 | blast007 | wasn't it a thing that Apple merged the iOS and Mac developer stuff so you only have to pay once instead of twice? |
| 19:02.33 | ccb | not to sure. |
| 19:02.40 | ccb | For Android apps, developer fees can range from free up to matching the Apple App Store fee of $99/year. Google Play has a one-time fee of $25. App store fees are more important when you are starting out or if you have lower sales. As you sell more apps, the store fees become much less of an issue. |
| 19:03.55 | ccb | seems apple takes a 70% of the revenue as well. |
| 19:04.08 | ccb | which i don't think that's a issue considering the app would be free i assume. |
| 19:04.18 | blast007 | doesn't have to be free |
| 19:05.39 | ccb | thought under the license code it would, also once you start having people you run into issues into how to spend those assets. |
| 19:05.53 | ccb | having people pay* |
| 19:06.30 | blast007 | by definition, open-source requires commercial use, including selling the software |
| 19:07.51 | blast007 | https://opensource.org/osd |
| 19:13.40 | ccb | well atleast consti is more than 80% there for a apple version, that should hopefully draw in a lot of players. sometime down the road maybe a android app could come along. |
| 19:17.32 | Zehra | i think there was something made with android |
| 19:17.54 | Zehra | like a couple times i saw someone with bzadmin@android |
| 19:17.55 | blast007 | probably just a chat app |
| 19:18.12 | blast007 | ccb is talking about being able to play from a phone/tablet |
| 19:18.51 | Zehra | i checked on the forums a bit |
| 19:19.14 | Zehra | and many have tried making or encouraging development for one |
| 19:19.18 | ccb | ya nth made that bzadmin |
| 19:19.20 | ccb | all that was |
| 19:19.35 | Zehra | was bzadmin on android :) |
| 19:20.30 | Zehra | i think if someone would make the application |
| 19:20.39 | Zehra | probably some custom maps would be good |
| 19:21.11 | Zehra | since things would be a little off trying to drive around in a cell phone or tablet |
| 19:21.11 | blast007 | Zehra: it's not a mobile specific set of servers. it's supposed to play on the normal BZFlag servers. |
| 19:21.30 | ccb | are you speaking spanglish |
| 19:21.52 | Zehra | i understand the part of it being for regular servers |
| 19:21.58 | ccb | no need for custom maps. the app as it currently stands can load anything. |
| 19:38.38 | Zehra | the thing i think is how will regular maps appear on radar |
| 19:39.23 | Zehra | and how will this affect dodging |
| 19:40.11 | Zehra | the app will load regular maps |
| 19:40.37 | Zehra | but how playable will they be is another question |
| 19:41.08 | blast007 | Zehra: it's pretty much the same client, just running on a phone/tablet |
| 19:41.42 | blast007 | it doesn't yet have all the mobile-centric tweaks like on-screen controls |
| 19:41.46 | Zehra | blast007: i'm thinking most users would find it difficult to play BZFlag on a small screen |
| 19:41.53 | blast007 | you have to pop up the keyboard to spawn, for instance |
| 19:43.08 | ccb | the main purpose would be for tablet use which is fine for bzflag play, if someone opts for the phone more power to them, we could use it as a way for mobile gaming instead of stationary in a way to attract more players. |
| 19:43.28 | ccb | a small phone isn't essential but possible, if you want to compete you would def do it on the tablet. |
| 19:43.38 | Zehra | probably a game similar to BZFlag might work better |
| 19:43.41 | blast007 | hack it onto a NES Mini |
| 19:44.03 | Zehra | since BZFlag was never designed for mobile devices |
| 19:44.14 | blast007 | BZFlag wasn't designed for the *Internet* ;) |
| 19:44.29 | Zehra | oops :P |
| 19:45.49 | Zehra | the thing is really figuring out how playable BZFlag is on mobile |
| 19:46.15 | TD-Linux | you'd need to port all of bzflag's OpenGL 1 draw calls to vertex buffers etc first |
| 19:46.46 | TD-Linux | which would be good to do anyway, I tried to do this like 10 years ago and didn't get very far |
| 19:47.15 | Zehra | i'm sure this has been brought up before.... |
| 19:47.23 | Zehra | sorry for sounding ignorant |
| 19:47.57 | Zehra | but has anyone made a web client or something web related.... |
| 19:48.14 | Zehra | that can permit chat or something with BZFlag? |
| 19:49.03 | blast007 | TD-Linux: it already runs on iOS |
| 19:49.20 | blast007 | via OpenGL ES 1.5, probably |
| 19:49.26 | TD-Linux | whoops I missed that happening :) |
| 19:49.38 | blast007 | er, 1.1 |
| 19:49.48 | TD-Linux | even ES1 lacks glBegin etc iirc so presumably that was ported |
| 19:49.59 | blast007 | *shrugs* |
| 19:51.12 | blast007 | https://github.com/macsforme/bzflag-embedded |
| 19:52.44 | ccb | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8rSWl8szJ8 |
| 19:52.47 | ccb | there |
| 19:53.19 | blast007 | https://github.com/macsforme/bzflag-embedded/commit/d209e72cbfb49234d136dda2f88e6e9d1558e6ae |
| 19:54.19 | TD-Linux | indeed that's the first file I looked too |
| 20:11.18 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Flak 18 * 9088 /Getting_Started: /* Downloading and installing the game */ fixed links |
| 20:27.13 | JeffM | blast007: so they fixed the BS in the headers with socket definitions? |
| 21:05.07 | blast007 | JeffM: I don't know |
| 21:12.19 | JeffM | that's currently the thing that's preventing it from working in VC14, even with the premade libs |
| 21:15.54 | blast007 | oh, with ares? |
| 21:16.10 | JeffM | no curl |
| 21:16.19 | JeffM | you were mentioning ares? |
| 21:16.32 | blast007 | ares had a changelog entry about support 2015 |
| 21:16.36 | JeffM | ahh |
| 21:16.58 | blast007 | (and also one about fixing the issue I was having with newer releases) |
| 21:17.14 | JeffM | you are using the current curl? |
| 21:17.59 | blast007 | no, 7.43.0 |
| 21:19.36 | JeffM | that's several behind the current, wow |
| 21:32.00 | JeffM | current curl version gets further allong in a build in 2015, now it only fails on a duplicate symbol |
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