| 00:05.26 | the_map | but make sure you cite your quotes |
| 00:05.31 | the_map | otherwise it's plagiarism |
| 00:05.36 | the_map | ;P |
| 00:07.28 | Zehra | lol |
| 00:08.18 | Zehra | kind of like Wikipedia |
| 00:08.41 | Zehra | although you can't use copyrighted non free content |
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| 00:23.44 | macsforme | I guess building the main project fails also, when there is a space in your BZ_DEPS path |
| 00:26.39 | JeffM | the best thing is to read the depth paths from an enivronment variable. |
| 00:26.42 | JeffM | that's what we do at work |
| 00:28.07 | macsforme | BZ_DEPS is an environmental variable |
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| 00:28.40 | macsforme | but the bzflag build fails when there's a space in that path |
| 00:32.33 | JeffM | being built from the IDE? |
| 00:32.44 | JeffM | well you can quote those too |
| 00:32.49 | JeffM | VC fully respects the quotes |
| 00:46.09 | blast007 | guess I always build from a '_code' root directory |
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| 01:57.21 | macsforme | yeah I can't fix the dependencies build entirely... even when the paths are fully quoted in our script, it fails inside the SDL2 build somewhere |
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| 02:28.33 | macsforme | JeffM, the resource.h that shows up under the platform project in visual studio is the one in include/ (with just the IDI_BZICON definition)... I don't see where the one in MSVC/ is referenced, if at all |
| 02:28.56 | macsforme | and if I remove them both, it still builds... |
| 02:28.58 | JeffM | is there a .rc file anywhere? |
| 02:29.15 | macsforme | yeah under MSVC/ |
| 02:29.23 | JeffM | that should reference the .h |
| 02:30.37 | JeffM | if you are not including that file in your widows build, it probalby won't care if the .h files are there or not |
| 02:30.44 | JeffM | but then the app won't have an icon or anything |
| 02:30.55 | JeffM | or version info |
| 02:32.06 | macsforme | it just says #include "resource.h"... doesn't specify which one |
| 02:32.16 | JeffM | yeah, there is only supposed to be one |
| 02:32.33 | JeffM | the one in msvc looks to be the one that goes with the .rc, since both where auto-created |
| 02:32.42 | JeffM | not sure why someone made the one in include |
| 02:36.08 | macsforme | shouldn't it complain if I delete the files from the directory? when I try to open it without VS it says it can't be found, but it still compiles just fine |
| 02:36.32 | JeffM | what version of visual studio? |
| 02:36.42 | macsforme | 2010 |
| 02:36.48 | JeffM | haven't used that in ages |
| 02:37.01 | JeffM | it could be buggy, it could have a binary obj cached for it |
| 02:37.09 | JeffM | is the .rc included in the project? |
| 02:37.30 | macsforme | yeah |
| 02:37.52 | JeffM | and you are building fullbuild, BZFS, bzflag? |
| 02:38.05 | JeffM | and are you just hitting "compile" or "Rebuild solution" ? |
| 02:39.20 | macsforme | I was just building bzflag, not fullbuild... and I was right-clicking and then clicking "rebuild" |
| 02:39.42 | JeffM | right clicking on what? |
| 02:40.02 | JeffM | the bzflag prioject inside the bzflag .sln? |
| 02:40.06 | macsforme | yeah |
| 02:40.16 | JeffM | use the rebuild solution from the build menu |
| 02:40.19 | macsforme | ah there we go, it complained when I tried to build fullbuild |
| 02:40.21 | JeffM | that will rebuild everything |
| 02:40.24 | JeffM | good |
| 02:40.31 | JeffM | I bet you just had a cache somewhere |
| 02:41.12 | JeffM | I don't thik you need the one in /include, it's a windows only file, so keep it with the windows only .rc file |
| 02:48.17 | macsforme | okay, so it complains when I delete the one in MSVC, and it doesn't care if I delete the one in include/... good |
| 02:48.32 | JeffM | that sounds like the right way it should be |
| 02:48.58 | macsforme | but the one in include/ is the file that's listed under the platform project... should I just replace that, delete the file, and call it good? |
| 02:49.27 | JeffM | delete it from the platform proejct and readd the one from MSVC |
| 02:49.31 | JeffM | there can be only 1 |
| 02:49.36 | JeffM | and then delete the file from git |
| 02:49.55 | JeffM | remember that the files show in the project are NOT based on any specific folders |
| 02:50.00 | JeffM | the proejct does not mirror the disk |
| 02:50.11 | JeffM | at least in C++ |
| 02:50.40 | macsforme | I figured... that's what Xcode is like |
| 03:00.31 | macsforme | so now I have this space-in-path error: http://pastebin.com/sTFUBk1G |
| 03:00.49 | macsforme | where would I find where that step is configured, so I can put quotes around the path? |
| 03:00.53 | JeffM | you can quote the post build steps |
| 03:01.08 | JeffM | right click on the bzflag project file |
| 03:01.13 | JeffM | properties |
| 03:01.17 | JeffM | post build step |
| 03:01.44 | macsforme | ah ha |
| 03:01.55 | JeffM | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Ms3zWuzT/ |
| 03:25.51 | macsforme | thanks |
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| 03:25.52 | BZnotify | 13bzflag/062.4 1493d0dab 15Joshua Bodine: Fixed a build error when there is a space in your BZ_DEPS path, and fixed another error where the copy step would fail if the destination directory was already existing. |
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| 16:41.48 | macsforme | as I look into implementing a singular build system (possibly cmake or premake), one thing that is becoming apparent is that we may have to wave goodbye to our ability to configure a bunch of features on or off (i.e., ./configure --with-this --enable-that) and decide on a very few core options to be configurable |
| 16:43.26 | macsforme | although our build system hasn't been fully configurable anyway; only in the gnu make system (the Windows and macOS project files don't seem to have that same level of configurability) |
| 16:44.53 | JeffM | is there any reason to even try to have all those sub configs? I mean you are going to want SDL, you are going to want plugins.. I think a lot of that was linux people just wern't sure those things would be viable. but they clearly are so they should be manditory |
| 16:45.26 | macsforme | what I'm thinking is that we should retain the ability to disable the client, disable bzadmin, and maybe disable plugins, as well as to choose between the platform's native build files, SDL 1, and SDL 2... is anything else critical to be able to turn on/off? |
| 16:45.53 | macsforme | yes JeffM, my personal thought is that most of the options can go out the window |
| 16:46.05 | JeffM | is there any advantage to SDL1 over SDL2? |
| 16:46.25 | JeffM | and is it better to just be able to assume EVERYONE has SDL2? |
| 16:46.38 | macsforme | I've been trying to catalog all the HAVE_x macros in the code, and reviewing the various config.h files, to see how deep they go |
| 16:46.53 | JeffM | some of those are based on compiler support |
| 16:46.55 | macsforme | I believe BulletCatcher has said that SDL2 doesn't work well on fedora |
| 16:47.20 | JeffM | ahh that's unfortonate |
| 16:47.34 | JeffM | what platform still uses native files? I though that windows was moved to SDL2 |
| 16:48.34 | macsforme | all platforms use some form of SDL currently, at least by default... but the native files are still some degree of functional (except we ripped out the macOS ones, but I think they would still work) |
| 16:49.04 | JeffM | I would think you'd want a single supported configuration per platform, don't make there be options |
| 16:49.13 | JeffM | otherwise you are a maintenance nightmare |
| 16:50.21 | macsforme | the maintenance nightmare is what we have currently :) |
| 16:51.44 | JeffM | bingo |
| 16:52.08 | JeffM | it doens't matter that you think that the old mac code "should" work, kill it because the SDL2 stuff DOES work |
| 16:53.42 | macsforme | at the very least, we need to be able to switch between SDL 1 and 2 on linux, unless we can figure out what the problem is on fedora |
| 16:55.20 | blast007 | JeffM: not all systems have a usable SDL2 (either doesn't exist, isn't new enough, or as mentioned, doesn't work right) |
| 16:55.26 | JeffM | k |
| 16:55.35 | JeffM | that is unfortonate |
| 16:55.41 | macsforme | and I think we should move toward officially removing support for BeOS, Solaris, SGI, etc., since platform support has been unmaintained for some time and is unlikely to return... but that can happen later |
| 16:56.06 | JeffM | you sure? it's only 2016!!!! |
| 16:56.08 | macsforme | then we can focus on supporting the three main platforms |
| 16:57.36 | blast007 | at the immediate moment, I'd recommend getting that URL escape pull request tested and merged, get a 2.4.10 out, and try to still get it into Debian |
| 16:58.50 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/debian.txt |
| 17:02.26 | blast007 | Their build files https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-games/bzflag.git and my patch against it http://static.bzexcess.com/debian/2.4.8/bzflag_2.4.8_debian.diff |
| 17:17.39 | BulletCatcher | I haven't isolated the problem at all, but SDL2 can't do a fullscreen display on *my* Fedora system and "kill -9" is required to stop bzflag when I try. |
| 17:17.54 | BulletCatcher | It works ok in window mode. |
| 17:18.51 | BulletCatcher | Also, I still run bzfs on Solaris and can support that as needed. |
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| 17:20.11 | BulletCatcher | But I would be happy to stop pretending that BZFlag runs on anything but Windows, Mac OS X (including macOS), Linux, Solaris, and maybe some BSD variants. |
| 19:59.27 | macsforme | blast007: was there a driver issue we need to look at as well? this one perhaps: https://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=19290 |
| 20:03.44 | macsforme | I was thinking about trying to get multisampling to work on Windows also, but so far I haven't found a way to query the maximum number of samples the renderer supports like on macOS (the examples I found basically use trial-and-error) |
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| 20:15.55 | macsforme | looking at README.SOLARIS I wonder if support for that platform could be improved if we're going to keep it around |
| 20:18.14 | macsforme | sounds like a lot of manual steps... I wonder if we could automate a few more things |
| 20:41.45 | BulletCatcher | Some of those manual steps may be unnecessary for Solaris 11. |
| 20:56.35 | blast007 | macsforme: that could always be for 2.4.12 |
| 20:56.47 | blast007 | Debian is nearing a freeze |
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| 21:52.21 | Foo_man_choo | And if I might add Debian is ready for it. |
| 22:43.47 | Zehra | is auth slow or something today? |
| 22:45.27 | blast007 | why? |
| 22:45.59 | blast007 | doesn't seem slow here |
| 22:46.42 | Zehra | like for thirty or so minutes i try to connect to servers |
| 22:46.55 | Zehra | i end up with an error |
| 22:47.08 | Zehra | also motd doesn't appear |
| 22:47.10 | blast007 | "to servers" "an error" |
| 22:47.20 | blast007 | no specifics? |
| 22:47.52 | Zehra | i start the bzflag application |
| 22:48.12 | Zehra | then message of the day appears... |
| 22:48.18 | Zehra | but without content |
| 22:48.39 | Zehra | i then input a server an port to join |
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| 22:48.56 | Zehra | it shows "trying..." |
| 22:49.04 | Zehra | then "error connecting to server" |
| 22:49.15 | blast007 | that would be a network issue on your end, more than likely |
| 22:49.35 | blast007 | you can't connect to multiple servers |
| 22:50.14 | blast007 | if it was one of allejo's main servers, it might in the same datacenter as me, so it's possible it's a route issue to that datacenter |
| 22:52.51 | Zehra | i probably need to get a better internet service provider |
| 22:53.10 | blast007 | could even be your router |
| 22:53.32 | blast007 | power cycle individual components and see if the issue goes away |
| 22:53.47 | Zehra | ok |
| 22:53.56 | Zehra | thanks blast |
| 22:54.00 | Zehra | will do |
| 22:54.04 | blast007 | heck, I've had issues with wifi says it's connected but can't do anything at all until I turn my wifi adapter off and on again |
| 22:54.51 | Zehra | kind of like when my modem shows it's "connected" to the internet and i can't get a connection |
| 22:56.06 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 22:56.32 | Zehra | most of the time it's the dns server going offline |
| 22:57.28 | blast007 | DNS forwarder in the router taking a poop, probably |
| 22:58.11 | spldart | prolly |
| 23:00.05 | blast007 | Getting an ASUS RT-ACRH13 to replace the old and moldy Linksys WRT54G at my parents'. Looks like a decent model for the price. |
| 23:00.32 | blast007 | next thing I need to do there is forcefully get rid of all the 2.4GHz phones :P |
| 23:02.30 | spldart | Zehra. If it is you router not performing dns duties then manually assigning a dns server in you OS both solves the problem and makes you look god like to others sharing the connection :D |
| 23:03.40 | Zehra | ok |
| 23:03.48 | Zehra | thanks spldart |
| 23:04.14 | spldart | blast007 That asus looks like the one they bought for duty at my current work. |
| 23:04.38 | spldart | It has proven slightly more reliable. |
| 23:05.14 | blast007 | I've got a RT-AC68U that I use just as an access point, but I have used it as a router a few times when I needed to use my normal router as a Windows 10 test station. :P |
| 23:05.16 | spldart | And it plays nicer with the cell phones. |
| 23:05.40 | spldart | o_O |
| 23:06.04 | blast007 | my router is a quad-core AMD SoC industrial PC |
| 23:06.19 | spldart | I was getting the picture |
| 23:06.38 | blast007 | http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/fitlet/fitlet-x/ |
| 23:07.48 | spldart | Dude! Your toys are much nicer than mine ;( |
| 23:08.50 | blast007 | well, before that and my ASUS box, I was still using a WRT54GL myself :P |
| 23:09.08 | blast007 | it was time for an upgrade |
| 23:09.14 | spldart | So.. You WERE a mear mortal |
| 23:09.20 | spldart | But now... |
| 23:09.26 | I_Died_Once | those WRT54GL's were little work horses |
| 23:09.32 | spldart | The cape and everything :) |
| 23:10.19 | spldart | I still got one of those linksys in storage |
| 23:10.49 | blast007 | I've got an GL and a Gv2 here in a crate, and the one at my parents is a v4 iirc |
| 23:10.52 | I_Died_Once | you'd twitch if you knew how many people stull have them and are still... not just in use, but holding strong |
| 23:11.41 | spldart | Not saying much as I'm twitching all the time XD |
| 23:11.50 | spldart | But yeah. I know |
| 23:12.00 | blast007 | yeah, it still *works*, but the main reason I switched was because I couldn't stream HD content |
| 23:12.16 | spldart | Really? |
| 23:12.41 | I_Died_Once | well, that being said, between us and the hole in the wall, people who still have those arent exactly streaming HD |
| 23:13.02 | I_Died_Once | then again, no reason why now, wireless G is well enough to hit HD content |
| 23:13.04 | spldart | That Asus wil |
| 23:13.06 | spldart | l |
| 23:14.07 | I_Died_Once | **No reason why not |
| 23:14.33 | I_Died_Once | 54 megs is enough to HD |
| 23:14.59 | spldart | D skippy\ |
| 23:15.01 | blast007 | the *theoretical* speed is capable of HD, but when you're though through a wall or two and your actual speeds drop to around 10 to 15, it starts to be a problem. and I'm not talking about the horribly compressed HD content on youtube or netflix. This was higher quality H.264 High Profile stuff. |
| 23:15.53 | I_Died_Once | I got this Pace.... |
| 23:16.00 | I_Died_Once | 5268AC |
| 23:16.21 | spldart | oh ic. I'm just lowly youtube and hulu |
| 23:16.30 | I_Died_Once | its one we deploy for people with fiber, and the thing puts out where commercial grade equipment does not |
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| 23:16.48 | I_Died_Once | its a lovely little piece of routing hardware |
| 23:18.17 | blast007 | spldart: oh, and before this little industrial PC, I had been using an old Pentium III era Celeron 950MHz as my router ;) |
| 23:19.17 | spldart | shirley your kidding. I haven't run something that old in 14 or 15 years. K6-2 500 as router and firwall with winroute pro. |
| 23:20.46 | spldart | nother batch of thunderstorms coming. May have to run off with beer and cigar to enjoy on the porch 8-] |
| 23:24.41 | blast007 | it was the fastest unused PC I had with a PCI slot (for the dual-port Intel NIC) |
| 23:26.47 | spldart | lawlz wow! I have a saved over old p4 pc with a bunch of pci slots I was doing my 'lets hit 26 drives' project with with tons of promise cars. Funny what we do for a lowly pci slot :) |
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