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| 00:59.04 | macsforme | one thing I didn't fully realize about the new macbook pros is that there is no physical esc key |
| 00:59.45 | macsforme | I think there would be one on the touch pad by default when the game loads, but that would be awkward to switch between pressing return and esc |
| 01:07.00 | macsforme | I don't know of a good alternate key for menu regression, though |
| 01:18.54 | the-map | yeah, I heard Apple finally took a side with that emacs vs vim war |
| 01:32.21 | allejo | http://i.imgur.com/JXa7yTt.jpg |
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| 02:21.12 | the-map | now I'm wondering what language pathogen.vim is |
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| 04:59.51 | JeffM | https://github.com/JeffM2501/UnityBZWTools/releases/tag/Alpha_0.0.02.103116 update binary and GIT tag that includes fixes as well as porters and link editing. |
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| 10:22.23 | blast007 | macsforme: well, when you have that much courage, you don't need to escape |
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| 14:05.15 | macsforme | well said |
| 14:07.50 | macsforme | now we need to have courage to leave behind the antiquated type A/B electrical plug |
| 14:08.56 | blast007 | might increase our playerbase. "How do I exit the game?" "Press F12 or hit Esc and go to Quit" "I don't have those buttons" |
| 14:09.34 | blast007 | does Apple+Q exit our game? |
| 14:11.06 | macsforme | yeah |
| 14:11.25 | blast007 | so there's always plan C :) |
| 14:41.06 | allejo | we'll become the vim of games, no one will know how to exit it |
| 14:47.06 | the-map | I've had it ignore kill -9 |
| 15:31.21 | JeffM | they say that there is a dedicated part of the touch bar that will always bring up the funciton keys and with that I'm assuming escape |
| 15:31.49 | the-map | otoh, maybe the escape key ... *escaped* |
| 15:32.11 | JeffM | actualy you have to escape the escape key with the special button :) |
| 15:32.42 | JeffM | they must be killing off the desktop line, or they would have had a desktop keyboard with the same features |
| 15:32.43 | the-map | backslash? ;P |
| 15:33.02 | JeffM | since they are asking OSX developers to now write special code for the action bar |
| 15:33.11 | blast007 | JeffM: I'm sure they'll make those too, with a TB3 connector |
| 15:33.19 | JeffM | it seems odd that the code would only funciton on SOME of the computes they sell |
| 15:33.42 | JeffM | all they did was talk about touch bar, why didn't they have that keyboard ready to show |
| 15:33.55 | JeffM | then it would be "touchbar is for all OSX devices" |
| 15:33.58 | blast007 | they've got an ARM chip running an embedded OS (similar to watchOS) that runs that touch bar |
| 15:34.09 | JeffM | but I guess they didn't have the touchpad for desktop till later. |
| 15:34.18 | JeffM | yeah the T1 |
| 15:34.34 | JeffM | so now OSX apps have to hit 2 OSs :) |
| 15:34.48 | blast007 | that takes courage |
| 15:35.03 | JeffM | "I'm sorry I have to apply updates to part of my keyboard" |
| 15:35.28 | JeffM | I thought it was odd when the XBoxOne sent an update to it's controller |
| 15:35.31 | the-map | maybe Apple will go the full distance and in classic Apple style make the kbd OS incompatible with their desktop OS |
| 15:35.37 | JeffM | "Do not take the controller too far away" |
| 15:36.26 | blast007 | oculus does that with their little remote too, which I think is even more odd considering it's just a simple remote with 9 or 10 buttons |
| 15:36.38 | JeffM | yeah |
| 15:37.09 | JeffM | I understand that the xbox controller has bluetooth code and an audio codec, it just seems odd |
| 15:40.15 | blast007 | hope it has precautions for someone makin' popcorn and blasting 2.4GHz waves all over the place |
| 15:41.13 | JeffM | I just know it's vibration motors are more noisy than the 360 controler |
| 15:41.29 | JeffM | I can hear it more when I pick locks in fallout4 |
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| 15:43.09 | blast007 | I mean during updates, specifically. |
| 15:44.21 | blast007 | my wireless headphones cut out a bit when the microwave is going even when I've got a wall or two between me and I'm 2 feet from the USB receiver |
| 15:44.55 | blast007 | and old 2.4GHz phones were the worst.. |
| 15:45.27 | JeffM | ahh |
| 15:48.57 | JeffM | Yay, I remembered to check in all the right files for BzwIO :) |
| 15:51.40 | JeffM | not that anyone will, but if anyone wants to poke at the lib, there is a unit test project that exports the map it reads, it shoudl read the same into BZFS |
| 15:53.34 | allejo | any plans on adding support for zones, jeffm? i would myself but my C# is rusty and still learning the whole unity thing :( |
| 15:53.54 | JeffM | I plan on supporting all obecjts |
| 15:54.05 | JeffM | the library doesn't use unity, it's standalone |
| 15:54.14 | JeffM | and if you know C++ you know 90% of C# |
| 15:55.00 | JeffM | zones are always rectangular right? |
| 15:55.26 | allejo | well, I mean actually using the C# to work with unity and such. never played with that |
| 15:55.33 | allejo | and yea, zones are essentially boxes |
| 15:56.01 | JeffM | unity uses standard C#, it's not that hard :) |
| 15:56.15 | JeffM | the only real odd bit is what I had to do for the dynamicaly generated geometry |
| 15:56.25 | JeffM | in order to do the automatic UV coordinates |
| 15:56.40 | JeffM | but yeah I can bust out zones. |
| 15:56.54 | JeffM | is the wiki page for them correct? |
| 15:57.30 | JeffM | it's basicly a box and then a list of stuffs? |
| 16:03.05 | allejo | looks correct to me |
| 16:03.45 | allejo | needs to dedicate some time poking around |
| 16:05.26 | JeffM | if you feel intimidated by C# poke around the lib first, it has no unity stuff |
| 16:09.16 | JeffM | and you don't need any special build stuff, just open the project in monodevelop |
| 16:09.37 | JeffM | one solution file to bind them :) |
| 16:27.58 | allejo | oh sweet, imma give that a try |
| 17:17.20 | JeffM | I do know I want to do some refactoring on the unity side, I want the unity BZW objects to be able to rebuild there geometry, so that I can make a function to recompute texture UVs after objects are scaled |
| 17:52.27 | JeffM | it looks valid to have flag and zoneflag multiple times, is it valid to have safe and team multiple times? |
| 17:54.35 | blast007 | probably not, but team and safety can accept multiple values |
| 17:54.41 | blast007 | (according to man page) |
| 17:54.49 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:55.15 | JeffM | I can parse that, I can also make it accept team 1 \n team 2 \n .etc.... |
| 17:55.49 | blast007 | https://linux.die.net/man/5/bzw |
| 17:56.43 | JeffM | who maintains the manpages? |
| 18:07.19 | blast007 | what changes? ;) |
| 18:07.27 | JeffM | true |
| 18:07.42 | blast007 | map format hasn't changed since 2.0 |
| 18:08.35 | blast007 | only thing we've changed recentlyish is probably command line options for bzfs or bzflag |
| 18:09.31 | JeffM | by recent you mean in a few years :) |
| 18:10.58 | blast007 | more recent than that |
| 18:11.40 | blast007 | April of this year for the BZFlag man page |
| 18:11.45 | JeffM | not bad |
| 18:11.52 | blast007 | (added a whole -t option to /savemsgs) |
| 18:13.52 | JeffM | BzwIO now supports zones, I'll add editor stuff for them later tonight |
| 19:23.33 | allejo | weeee |
| 20:07.32 | alezakos | How do we get linux.die.net to update their man pages? Their bzfs is outdated :P |
| 20:22.06 | JeffM | it may be the version thats part of a distrobution package, and an updated package may not be in "stable" yet |
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