| 00:01.46 | Juesto | i would normally play with mouse |
| 00:01.51 | Juesto | but im on a laptop |
| 00:03.39 | echelon | i can only play with keyboard :/ |
| 00:04.17 | echelon | i could never do precision jumps on a mouse |
| 00:04.27 | Juesto | i dont see any antiflicker fix |
| 00:04.30 | Juesto | and on mofo the base overlaps with a texture |
| 00:04.42 | Juesto | with the setting enabled |
| 00:04.50 | JeffM | if you use linux, you get to play with a powerglove right? that's what Jurassic park showed me. |
| 00:05.47 | Juesto | Also i seem to experience low fps in mofo, perhaps some optimization could be done |
| 00:06.06 | Juesto | and i got a freeze when spawning after turning on experimental |
| 00:06.37 | JeffM | what video chipset do you have? |
| 00:07.29 | Juesto | some intel hd |
| 00:07.41 | Juesto | what is tris ? |
| 00:07.52 | Juesto | it shows up above fps with Y |
| 00:07.58 | Juesto | where the fps shows* |
| 00:08.06 | JeffM | triangles |
| 00:08.20 | JeffM | intel HD graphics ain't that great |
| 00:08.33 | Juesto | I know, but bzflag is a game that could use some optimizations |
| 00:08.54 | Juesto | perhaps that could lower the requirements :D |
| 00:09.13 | JeffM | there isn't any real work being done on graphics anymore |
| 00:09.18 | JeffM | it uses a very old openGL API |
| 00:09.48 | KaadmY | Juesto: antiflicker only works on standard boxes and pyramids |
| 00:10.02 | KaadmY | any mesh object(which apoc uses) will not handle antiflicker |
| 00:10.37 | Juesto | it is expected that roaming looking at the absolute bottom (top view) makes it snap and rotates weirdly? |
| 00:10.48 | KaadmY | not surprised |
| 00:10.50 | KaadmY | it'll happen |
| 00:11.00 | Juesto | Why it does happen? |
| 00:11.32 | KaadmY | any fps game will have that |
| 00:11.39 | JeffM | gimbal lock |
| 00:11.40 | KaadmY | or any that has yaw/pitch |
| 00:12.02 | JeffM | that doesn't use quaterneons |
| 00:12.16 | blast007 | how to tell when your computer has minimal performance: you can't run BZFlag |
| 00:12.20 | JeffM | it's mostly an euler problem |
| 00:13.16 | JeffM | singularities suck |
| 00:13.55 | Juesto | KaadmY: not any game |
| 00:15.14 | xdotool | blast007: either that, or you have yet to install bzflag |
| 00:16.16 | blast007 | Juesto: I would say that typically they either do that, or prevent you from going past that point |
| 00:16.17 | Juesto | Interestingly BZFlag works on any computer |
| 00:16.22 | Juesto | even if one doesnt z fighting |
| 00:16.33 | KaadmY | Juesto: not phones yet i think |
| 00:16.45 | KaadmY | although i *think* someone got bzflag working on a phone |
| 00:16.48 | Juesto | Of course.. someone has to port it |
| 00:16.48 | xdotool | I have a couple computers that probably wouldn't run bzflag |
| 00:16.55 | JeffM | blast007: or not use angles, vector calcs won't have the problem. |
| 00:17.00 | KaadmY | bzflag runs for me, but barely |
| 00:17.06 | KaadmY | 20-30 fps on smallish maps |
| 00:17.20 | KaadmY | don't think my fps ever goes above 40, even on an empty map |
| 00:17.35 | xdotool | depends on the server too |
| 00:17.46 | blast007 | map* |
| 00:17.55 | xdotool | ^ |
| 00:18.41 | Juesto | I do get fairly good fps on standard maps |
| 00:18.57 | Juesto | when a map uses heavy meshing like apoc |
| 00:18.59 | Juesto | its a problem |
| 00:19.04 | Juesto | particularly tanks fighting |
| 00:20.19 | KaadmY | my laptop's worst opengl nightmare is translucency |
| 00:20.29 | KaadmY | pretty much any translucency makes the fps go to a crawl |
| 00:20.34 | KaadmY | and fill rate is also evil |
| 00:20.46 | KaadmY | a tank explosion on front of the screen cuts fps in half pretty easily |
| 00:20.49 | KaadmY | in front* |
| 00:20.52 | JeffM | probably doesn't have the blend mode on card and has to do it in CPU |
| 00:20.56 | KaadmY | yeah |
| 00:21.08 | KaadmY | disabling blending makes fps go 50-60 |
| 00:21.13 | blast007 | on Ducati style, I get 900 to 1300 FPS at 1920x1200 :P |
| 00:21.15 | KaadmY | but again.. dithering and ugliness |
| 00:21.19 | KaadmY | blast007: :( |
| 00:21.25 | JeffM | old ATI cards had that problem |
| 00:21.34 | KaadmY | i have intel integrated |
| 00:21.40 | KaadmY | not ATI |
| 00:21.50 | JeffM | so not really a video card at all :) |
| 00:21.55 | blast007 | and this is just my development system, not my gaming box |
| 00:22.05 | JeffM | old intel chips also had very limited drawing functions |
| 00:22.08 | KaadmY | this is my everything |
| 00:22.40 | Juesto | gryllida: |
| 00:22.42 | Juesto | oops |
| 00:22.46 | KaadmY | >.< |
| 00:22.56 | Juesto | often i dont have fps lag with explosions |
| 00:23.06 | Juesto | but mofo/apoc is very heavy |
| 00:23.14 | Juesto | for my card |
| 00:23.26 | KaadmY | wat kard |
| 00:23.27 | Juesto | average fps: 35 ish generally |
| 00:23.28 | KaadmY | i haz mesa |
| 00:23.30 | Juesto | intel hd |
| 00:23.33 | KaadmY | yeah |
| 00:23.35 | KaadmY | about the same |
| 00:23.39 | KaadmY | 965GM intel integrated |
| 00:23.50 | blast007 | yeah, mofo I only get 200 to 300 |
| 00:23.52 | Juesto | celeron N2840 apu |
| 00:24.16 | xdotool | blast007: you must bounce off walls so hard they play ping pong with your tank |
| 00:24.41 | KaadmY | welp |
| 00:24.44 | KaadmY | i don't bounce |
| 00:24.49 | KaadmY | i go straaaaaaaaaaaaight through :] |
| 00:25.17 | Juesto | i bunny hop as hell sometimes |
| 00:25.22 | Juesto | just to avoid getting shot |
| 00:25.22 | KaadmY | certainty at it's best! |
| 00:25.23 | blast007 | the N2840 is an atom CPU, so that's definitely not designed to do more than basic web browsing |
| 00:25.23 | KaadmY | <Juesto> average fps: 35 ish generally |
| 00:25.37 | Juesto | on regular maps |
| 00:25.43 | Juesto | i can get 65 easily |
| 00:25.49 | KaadmY | hmm |
| 00:26.00 | KaadmY | my fps is more stable |
| 00:26.01 | Juesto | stuff like island hop or mofo is a big drop |
| 00:26.10 | Juesto | fps are stable |
| 00:26.10 | KaadmY | about 20 on apoc, 40 on ducati-style |
| 00:26.21 | Juesto | except when it comes to complex "scenes" |
| 00:26.35 | Juesto | in apoc when looking to the otherside it drops |
| 00:27.15 | KaadmY | yeah |
| 00:27.22 | KaadmY | urban jungle is by far the worst though |
| 00:27.42 | KaadmY | looking from the corner by the village/river across the map is 10-15 fps |
| 00:28.16 | Juesto | and its worse with tank action |
| 00:28.21 | macsforme | KaadmY: BZFlag on a phone -- https://youtu.be/RLn0IJ7t1Ic |
| 00:28.34 | KaadmY | macsforme: ah |
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| 10:40.04 | cods | long time without playing.. I see that we still get idiots coming to crash servers (even though I installed the latest 2.4.6 few days ago). |
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| 22:35.09 | Juesto | allejo: I'm apparently host-banned for a series of inappropiate names by green manalishi |
| 22:35.19 | Juesto | from urban jungle |
| 22:36.15 | Juesto | alezakos: i think i've solved my jitter problem, i just have to "dedicate" the cpu for bzflag |
| 22:39.54 | KaadmY | Juesto: what names were you actually using? |
| 22:40.13 | xdotool | keep in mind lang isn't allowed in this channel |
| 22:40.23 | macsforme | yeah, we probably don't need to hear them here |
| 22:40.28 | KaadmY | pm? |
| 22:40.31 | macsforme | maybe take it up with allejo in pm |
| 22:40.36 | alezakos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.58 | KaadmY | well, were you actually using inappropriate names? |
| 22:41.50 | KaadmY | wonders why alezakos puts spaces in front of everything he says on IRC |
| 22:42.11 | blast007 | you can send a PM to the one who banned you asking them about the ban |
| 22:42.15 | blast007 | a forum PM |
| 22:42.32 | alezakos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.46 | xdotool | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.16 | Juesto | KaadmY: I didnt witness that ban |
| 22:43.36 | Juesto | I use Zz, thats not inapporpiate |
| 22:44.00 | macsforme | it may not have been intended for you |
| 22:44.45 | xdotool | yeah, like macsforme said, if someone with a similar IP was banned, it may have caught you unintentionally |
| 22:45.37 | Juesto | very likely |
| 22:45.54 | Juesto | Maybe whoever was is long gone? |
| 22:46.04 | blast007 | send a PM to the one who banned you |
| 22:46.52 | KaadmY | isn't the point of the logging bot to log stuff? |
| 22:47.08 | KaadmY | not so people can implement workarounds and use those workarounds? |
| 22:47.42 | alezakos | whoever made the bot disagrees with you, KaadmY :) |
| 22:47.48 | Juesto | Hm, being zoned is useless...? |
| 22:48.05 | xdotool | Juesto: what? |
| 22:48.15 | Juesto | Phantom Zone flag, whats the point of it |
| 22:48.23 | xdotool | most tanks can't shoot you |
| 22:48.25 | alezakos | Juesto: correct |
| 22:48.38 | Juesto | and i cant shoot anyone |
| 22:48.54 | xdotool | PZ allows you to drive anywhere, and shoot other zoned tanks |
| 22:49.03 | Juesto | And why not the ability to have flags while zoned |
| 22:49.11 | Juesto | Certain ones |
| 22:49.13 | xdotool | normal bullets can't affect a zoned tank, but SB and SW can |
| 22:49.14 | macsforme | you can shoot other zoned tanks, or you can safely drive to another teleporter where you can poke in and out to fire at other people, then retreat to safety |
| 22:49.18 | Juesto | not ruining ones |
| 22:49.43 | Juesto | the problem is that the teleporters are either unavailable or very far away most of the time |
| 22:49.46 | Juesto | on most maps |
| 22:49.55 | blast007 | so? |
| 22:50.02 | xdotool | you can't get zoned without being at a teleporter :P |
| 22:50.14 | Juesto | Exactly |
| 22:50.21 | KaadmY | that's the point |
| 22:50.37 | Juesto | Then it would be wise to allow flag drop while zoned |
| 22:50.38 | KaadmY | wouldn't be so fun if you could pretty much become invulnerable any time you wanted |
| 22:50.43 | blast007 | nope |
| 22:50.54 | KaadmY | Juesto: on some servers PZ has a shot limit |
| 22:51.00 | KaadmY | and the shot limit drops the flag |
| 22:51.04 | KaadmY | even if you're zoned |
| 22:51.04 | Juesto | what if automatically if you drop the pz you lose the effect? :D |
| 22:51.11 | KaadmY | yup |
| 22:51.11 | Juesto | without shot limits |
| 22:51.13 | KaadmY | and tsate breaks |
| 22:51.16 | KaadmY | state* |
| 22:51.20 | blast007 | that's not gonna change |
| 22:51.21 | Juesto | dropping flag on purpose |
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| 22:51.30 | Juesto | i mean, its currently locked to drop while zoned |
| 22:51.34 | blast007 | you don't have to use PZ if you don't like it |
| 22:51.35 | KaadmY | if the shot limit comes into effect before you unzone, stuff breaks |
| 22:51.39 | blast007 | there's lots of other flags |
| 22:51.44 | KaadmY | ie. when you pick up a PZ flag, you instantly zone |
| 22:52.08 | Juesto | really? you zone again when you drop due to shot limit? |
| 22:52.16 | Juesto | when you grab after auto-drop* |
| 22:52.51 | blast007 | probably, since whoever implemented shot limits might not have thought about the edge cases like that |
| 22:53.05 | Juesto | alezakos: thanks for looking at that ban. |
| 22:53.12 | alezakos | yw |
| 22:53.43 | KaadmY | https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag/issues/31 |
| 22:54.00 | Juesto | bzf wont be ever technically upgraded? in terms of technology |
| 22:54.04 | Juesto | it still uses a old OGL |
| 22:54.11 | KaadmY | yes |
| 22:54.26 | KaadmY | there's a few projects/ideas to restart bzflag from scratch |
| 22:54.52 | Juesto | Hm |
| 22:55.10 | KaadmY | but it's too much to fix bzflag in its current state |
| 22:55.25 | Juesto | Basic upgrading perhaps? |
| 22:55.29 | KaadmY | not really |
| 22:55.32 | JeffM | nobody's "fixed it in 10 years", why would they start now |
| 22:55.46 | JeffM | bzflag's core is very old and makes very bad assumptions about things |
| 22:55.46 | xdotool | better late than never |
| 22:55.52 | JeffM | like what an "internet" is |
| 22:55.54 | KaadmY | JeffM: because the entire playerbase happens to be on urban jungle |
| 22:56.11 | JeffM | bzflag died a while ago, these are just the hangers on |
| 22:56.51 | Juesto | unlikely to get trivial oddities i guess? |
| 22:56.56 | KaadmY | well, if bzflag changed or got more visual improvements 5 years ago, the playerbase might be still going now |
| 22:57.10 | JeffM | and nobody cared enough to do it then..... |
| 22:57.17 | Juesto | bzf did change |
| 22:57.29 | Juesto | why you think Experimental has a hud? |
| 22:57.36 | Juesto | sort of |
| 22:57.40 | KaadmY | all modes have a hud |
| 22:57.50 | Juesto | also, you know, intel hd do handle the game pretty well |
| 22:57.58 | KaadmY | although, i have no idea why *doesn't* use experimental now |
| 22:58.00 | JeffM | Juesto: I wrote that ;) |
| 22:58.12 | Juesto | KaadmY: experimental has an additional hud |
| 22:58.20 | KaadmY | Juesto: the 3d waypoints? |
| 22:58.23 | JeffM | it has hud markers |
| 22:58.25 | Juesto | JeffM: ah nice, i wonder why its not instantly activated |
| 22:58.26 | KaadmY | yeah |
| 22:58.36 | blast007 | "pretty well" would be maintaining 60FPS on reasonable resolutions |
| 22:58.39 | KaadmY | although that really should be a toggle seperate of quality |
| 22:58.41 | Juesto | as in, just changing graphical modes isnt enough |
| 22:58.54 | JeffM | that and an API, there's your inovation since 1998 |
| 22:59.02 | KaadmY | oh and bzflag running fullscreen 640x480 is slower than running 1440x900 windowed |
| 22:59.04 | Juesto | i just only discovered these 3d huds today |
| 22:59.18 | Juesto | because i started bzf in experimental |
| 22:59.30 | blast007 | though it probalby does work well enough on desktop intel GPUs and probably even some laptop intel GPUs |
| 22:59.50 | JeffM | it's just some blended triangles IIRC |
| 22:59.55 | JeffM | if it can do the blending it won't add much |
| 22:59.59 | KaadmY | i would actually prefer playing on "medium" quality(which is much faster), except it doesn't have 3d hud markers |
| 23:00.03 | JeffM | the screenspace math is easy |
| 23:00.06 | Juesto | Apparently i just managed to make a rabbit hunt server have people :D |
| 23:00.29 | KaadmY | makes a PSA: the playerbase has moved to rabbit hunt |
| 23:00.32 | KaadmY | :P |
| 23:00.39 | Juesto | Did you know that using no texture and low causes a persistent thing? |
| 23:00.44 | KaadmY | ? |
| 23:00.53 | Juesto | the horizontal blue sky and green ground |
| 23:00.59 | KaadmY | ah |
| 23:01.14 | KaadmY | on low and medium, there's no skydome and the ground doesn't have a texture |
| 23:01.16 | JeffM | intel chipset? |
| 23:01.22 | blast007 | the lower settings are designed for software rendering |
| 23:01.24 | Juesto | are persistent, its noticeable when you look down or up in roaming |
| 23:01.34 | Juesto | it causes a glitch with the terrain grid |
| 23:01.39 | blast007 | then don't do that |
| 23:01.43 | JeffM | software imlementations tend to be more compliant than crappy hardware implementations |
| 23:02.16 | JeffM | yeah with out a sky, the backbuffer is just filled with 2 colors |
| 23:02.24 | JeffM | it's a hack |
| 23:02.41 | JeffM | at that level it assumes you don't want overdraw |
| 23:02.45 | JeffM | and don't have a zbuffer |
| 23:03.07 | JeffM | remember, its' from 1994 |
| 23:03.17 | Juesto | Is there a way to log the console? |
| 23:03.17 | KaadmY | wow |
| 23:03.23 | Juesto | i mean, the console cant be copied |
| 23:03.28 | KaadmY | this is wolfenstein-quality rendering! |
| 23:03.48 | Juesto | seems the mouse is only used for gameplay, nothing else |
| 23:03.50 | blast007 | /savemsgs or you can pass -echo to the command line, which redirects it to stdout |
| 23:04.22 | Juesto | hm, tris looks like a triangle delay or something |
| 23:05.45 | Juesto | i think that yesterday i got a mistaken "definition" of that reading |
| 23:07.18 | Juesto | i wonder if certain silly bugs will be ever fixed |
| 23:07.46 | Juesto | for example being unable to switch person or server command modes with the arrows when using keyboard input |
| 23:08.54 | JeffM | at this point most of the people who did dev work are talking about designing a new project |
| 23:10.13 | Juesto | So that development roadmap will be completely scrapped, right? |
| 23:10.48 | JeffM | I highly doubt the new proejct would use the existing development resources |
| 23:11.04 | JeffM | there is nothing worth pulling from the codebase |
| 23:11.21 | xdotool | what about the tank design? I like it |
| 23:11.29 | Juesto | Perhaps art :) |
| 23:11.35 | Juesto | to keep the spirirt |
| 23:11.35 | JeffM | not really |
| 23:11.49 | Juesto | I am sure there will be a lot of upset people |
| 23:11.50 | JeffM | I'd redraw those before I'd see them reused |
| 23:11.53 | Juesto | retro ftw |
| 23:11.54 | JeffM | and I have a better tank :) |
| 23:12.00 | Juesto | hmm |
| 23:12.08 | xdotool | waits for a screenshot |
| 23:12.10 | JeffM | you mean the 12 people that play? |
| 23:12.14 | KaadmY | bzflag has a "spirit" of retro, '90s low-poly stuff that looks horrible nowadays |
| 23:12.21 | JeffM | the new tank picture is on the wiki |
| 23:12.26 | JeffM | it was never used in bzflag |
| 23:12.35 | xdotool | JeffM: server list claims 28 players online atm |
| 23:12.38 | KaadmY | because the tank model is hardcodrd |
| 23:12.48 | JeffM | xdotool: how many are bzadmin bots? :) |
| 23:13.02 | KaadmY | no way to put it in a model |
| 23:13.15 | JeffM | KaadmY: not true, I exported it |
| 23:13.21 | xdotool | JeffM: a manual count says 28 people playing |
| 23:13.27 | Juesto | lol |
| 23:13.35 | Juesto | rip |
| 23:13.38 | KaadmY | 33 players for me |
| 23:13.58 | JeffM | oh wow that changes EVERYTYHING!!!! |
| 23:14.03 | Juesto | 29 players, 14 obvservers for me |
| 23:14.03 | KaadmY | :] |
| 23:14.06 | Juesto | in game info |
| 23:14.10 | Juesto | 133 servers |
| 23:14.10 | JeffM | I'm sure the commits will come roolling in |
| 23:14.27 | xdotool | and I've seen servers packed during GU/duc events |
| 23:14.30 | KaadmY | nearly all the servers are empty |
| 23:14.46 | Juesto | And i managed to bring people without doing anything to a rabbit server |
| 23:15.08 | KaadmY | xdotool: the only reason they're packed is because the entire playerbase gets together to play one last game before the game dies again, for the 20th time |
| 23:15.29 | KaadmY | Juesto: if you join any server, it'll probably get players pretty fast |
| 23:15.56 | alezakos | GU/duc events would fill up with 60 observers 2 years ago IIRC, now we don't have enough players |
| 23:16.07 | Juesto | Depends KaadmY |
| 23:16.22 | xdotool | KaadmY: what about the dozen or so obs that watch the events? they aren't playing |
| 23:16.55 | JeffM | there are times during the day where it goes down to zero |
| 23:18.29 | JeffM | there's your current tank as an obj https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/u8tUfXER/Tank.obj |
| 23:19.07 | xdotool | ... |
| 23:19.15 | xdotool | what do I open that with? |
| 23:19.21 | JeffM | a model viewer |
| 23:19.27 | JeffM | that reads wavefront obj |
| 23:19.33 | KaadmY | JeffM: isn't that the one without hipoly treads? |
| 23:19.35 | JeffM | meshlab, 3DBUilder |
| 23:19.37 | alezakos | Would Blender work? |
| 23:19.42 | JeffM | KaadmY: yeah that's the basic one |
| 23:19.49 | KaadmY | that's the low-poly body, no treads and skirts only |
| 23:19.50 | JeffM | blender should |
| 23:19.53 | Juesto | Still wondering what "tris" means |
| 23:20.00 | JeffM | triangles! |
| 23:20.02 | KaadmY | Juesto: triangles that are being drawn |
| 23:20.03 | Juesto | it doesnt always appear and normally doesnt appear |
| 23:20.13 | Juesto | Triangle queue or something? |
| 23:20.17 | KaadmY | from what i've been able to tell, only tanks/effects etc count |
| 23:20.24 | KaadmY | world geometry doesn't seem to add to it |
| 23:20.27 | Juesto | Because it only appears on certain cases |
| 23:20.32 | JeffM | KaadmY: the treads are dynamicly generated, and I did the export before the covers were added |
| 23:20.37 | KaadmY | try to shoot |
| 23:20.45 | JeffM | a shot adds 2 |
| 23:20.49 | JeffM | they are quads |
| 23:20.50 | KaadmY | yep |
| 23:21.23 | JeffM | https://wiki.bzflag.org/File:3_0_tank_test_render.png that's the redone tank I did that was never used. |
| 23:21.32 | JeffM | it was supposed to go into the TankGeometryManager |
| 23:21.46 | KaadmY | it really should have been added by now |
| 23:21.55 | KaadmY | but too much of a mess with hardcoded stuff |
| 23:21.55 | KaadmY | ' |
| 23:22.06 | JeffM | that's what the tank geometry manager took care of |
| 23:22.16 | JeffM | but that's all in a dead branch because development stalled |
| 23:24.45 | Juesto | hm, some of the effects are odd |
| 23:24.51 | Juesto | like a weird glow added to the shots |
| 23:24.58 | Juesto | experimetnal-only effects |
| 23:25.18 | Juesto | i wish the 3d waypoints could be disabled |
| 23:25.20 | Juesto | but not the locking |
| 23:25.23 | Juesto | thats a nice thing |
| 23:25.28 | blast007 | I'd not say that 2.99.x is in a dead branch because development stalled. 2.99.x had too many obscure but critical bugs that were very time consuming to track down, which in turn is what made development stall. |
| 23:25.32 | Juesto | also... why no labels in gameplay? |
| 23:25.44 | Juesto | they could be hidden behind buildings if needed |
| 23:25.50 | Juesto | aka hidden if not in sight |
| 23:25.57 | Juesto | i mean, you cant tell who is who |
| 23:25.57 | blast007 | iirc, there was some bug that caused gameplay to go all kinds of crazy, but only after you had played on the server for a period of time with several players |
| 23:26.24 | blast007 | so even with something like git bisect, that would have taken a long time to track down |
| 23:26.25 | JeffM | prefers smaller tanks https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5iNGyCW0/TinyTank.PNG |
| 23:26.42 | blast007 | pew pew pew |
| 23:27.06 | JeffM | blast007: sure, but the stalled development didn't pull the good things from it back into a stable codebase. |
| 23:27.26 | JeffM | Juesto: because the fearless leader said so. |
| 23:28.09 | blast007 | Juesto: you can right click or use hunt |
| 23:28.35 | xdotool | JeffM: that's a cute little tank. we should replace tanks with T with that tank |
| 23:29.23 | Juesto | Why superbullets are holy awkward |
| 23:29.26 | JeffM | misses the fish missile |
| 23:29.31 | Juesto | i mean, the effect in experimental |
| 23:29.46 | JeffM | because someone wrote it that way |
| 23:29.53 | Juesto | its odd |
| 23:29.58 | blast007 | fish missile? |
| 23:29.58 | JeffM | that's going to be the answer to most of your questions |
| 23:30.10 | JeffM | you don't remember the fish missile? was it before your time |
| 23:30.10 | Juesto | -_- |
| 23:30.16 | JeffM | I replaced the GM shot with a model |
| 23:30.27 | JeffM | Guided Rainbow trout |
| 23:30.31 | Juesto | lol |
| 23:30.36 | JeffM | I think that was in 1.8 |
| 23:30.37 | blast007 | I used your 3D model patch in BZFlag XL, but it wasn't a fish :) |
| 23:30.42 | Juesto | GMs should be team colored |
| 23:30.49 | JeffM | yeah that was the real mesh I made after the fish |
| 23:30.54 | JeffM | the fish was proof of concept |
| 23:30.58 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:31.19 | JeffM | missile had a happy face right? |
| 23:31.22 | Juesto | I wish i could tweak experimental effects |
| 23:31.24 | blast007 | yep |
| 23:31.35 | blast007 | Juesto: you can, just get the code |
| 23:31.39 | Juesto | or that there's an advanced options to custoize the entire quality |
| 23:31.47 | Juesto | Dont know to write in c blast007 |
| 23:31.58 | Juesto | and last time i tried... well, it didnt compile |
| 23:32.53 | JeffM | some of it is controlled by bzdb vars |
| 23:33.01 | alezakos | Juesto: I think GMs *are* team colourcoded, just look how ugly a blue GM looks |
| 23:33.33 | Juesto | alezakos: they arent, always orange |
| 23:33.50 | Juesto | even with experimental effects i think |
| 23:34.19 | JeffM | everything Juesto is saying is the reason why "just get more players to fix bzflag" is a stupid idea |
| 23:34.31 | alezakos | the front part is fixed, but there is a slight colour change |
| 23:35.02 | alezakos | they're completely tinted on Low graphics |
| 23:35.18 | Juesto | Oh well, almost nobody uses Low? |
| 23:35.25 | JeffM | it's supposed to look like a photon torpedo from star trek |
| 23:35.58 | Juesto | SB effect is easily mistaken with a laser |
| 23:35.59 | Juesto | gg |
| 23:36.17 | alezakos | 16-year-old computers with 15" CRT screens? |
| 23:36.35 | Juesto | Well... |
| 23:49.24 | JeffM | goes for a walk so he can be the very best.. the best that ever was! |
