| 00:37.39 | macsforme | well, Ogre seems pretty a little outdated and messy... couldn't even get the samples to build |
| 00:38.10 | KaadmY | yea |
| 00:38.23 | macsforme | Urho3D looks a bit more lean and modern, and seems to have a lot of promise |
| 00:39.42 | macsforme | I also tried Godot, and was very impressed... just about all the samples worked, it seemed to have a lot of capabilities, and the GUI system seems very capable |
| 00:40.08 | macsforme | although the build system was a little different than what I'm used to |
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| 02:11.45 | JeffM | Both of them have editors too |
| 02:11.57 | JeffM | Urho3d looked more finished |
| 02:12.06 | KaadmY | macsforme: godot also has multiple platform support |
| 02:12.09 | JeffM | And it actually built on Windows |
| 02:12.14 | KaadmY | linux, windows, mac, ios, android |
| 02:12.21 | Void7 | KaadmY: don't forget HTML |
| 02:12.28 | KaadmY | but be warned, godot's 3d support is currently horrible |
| 02:12.33 | KaadmY | 2d is great though |
| 02:16.17 | macsforme | oh good, we can draw the radar... that's all that matters :P |
| 02:16.28 | KaadmY | :P |
| 02:16.29 | macsforme | can you expound on how their 3D is horrible, though? |
| 02:16.41 | KaadmY | macsforme: very unoptimized currently |
| 02:16.47 | KaadmY | and slow |
| 02:17.07 | KaadmY | they're planning on updating the 3d engine for a 3.0 release later, probably in a few year(s) |
| 02:22.57 | macsforme | hmm, their 3D demos seemed okay, at least... it was nothing super intensive, though |
| 02:23.24 | JeffM | Anyone can draw a shaded quad :) |
| 02:23.43 | jh123 | too much would have to change.... |
| 02:23.53 | macsforme | it *was* more intensive than that |
| 02:24.19 | JeffM | You should find out what each one doe for culling |
| 02:25.36 | macsforme | urho actually shows you AABBs around geometry and will show you what gets culled, if you turn that on |
| 02:25.57 | JeffM | An octree then |
| 02:26.06 | JeffM | Does it do occlusion culling? |
| 02:26.35 | macsforme | it says it does, at least |
| 02:26.41 | JeffM | Cool |
| 02:26.56 | JeffM | It had a scene editor you could use for a map builder |
| 02:28.00 | KaadmY | macsforme: btw there's a #godotengine channel on freenode, you might want to ask about 3d there |
| 02:28.23 | macsforme | okay |
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| 02:54.16 | blast007 | I couldn't get Urho3D to run on a raspberry pi yet |
| 02:54.54 | KaadmY | yay |
| 02:55.06 | KaadmY | meanwhile i can draw a textured square in opengl |
| 02:55.14 | macsforme | I had it running there first :P |
| 02:55.21 | macsforme | just very slow |
| 02:55.58 | blast007 | my Pi2 just went to a black screen |
| 02:56.40 | blast007 | maybe it needs more than 128MB memory allocated to the GPU, or it doesn't like the experimental OpenGL driver being loaded |
| 02:56.44 | macsforme | are you still set up with that custom driver? |
| 02:57.21 | blast007 | if by custom you mean that experimental OpenGL driver, then yes |
| 02:58.01 | KaadmY | <JeffM> Anyone can draw a shaded quad :) |
| 02:58.10 | KaadmY | i can draw quads without shading, does that count? |
| 02:58.29 | JeffM | Shading is easy |
| 02:58.46 | KaadmY | JeffM: glEnable(GL_LIGHTING) |
| 02:59.00 | JeffM | That's one small part of it |
| 02:59.49 | KaadmY | it's pretty much a couple lines to setup/enable gl lighting |
| 03:00.02 | KaadmY | but then you need to define normals when drawing |
| 03:00.56 | macsforme | that's not a shaded quad at all, that's a fixed-function quad ;) |
| 03:01.26 | KaadmY | macsforme: yep |
| 03:01.31 | KaadmY | still shaded |
| 03:01.44 | KaadmY | JeffM didn't specify *how* it had to be shaded |
| 03:02.17 | JeffM | Well I am full of crap |
| 03:02.21 | KaadmY | agreed |
| 03:03.29 | macsforme | lol |
| 03:03.56 | JeffM | I have no idea why anyone listens to what I say |
| 03:04.13 | KaadmY | i don't know either |
| 03:05.15 | JeffM | needs more poke balls |
| 03:05.16 | Void7 | hey, I have a GREAT idea: use the fixed-function pipeline! |
| 03:05.25 | Void7 | wonders why nobody listens to him anymore |
| 03:05.37 | KaadmY | pokes JeffM |
| 03:05.46 | Void7 | pokes KaadmY |
| 03:05.50 | KaadmY | pokes JeffM's balls >.> |
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| 03:06.07 | blast007 | how about we stop |
| 03:06.11 | KaadmY | yea |
| 03:06.13 | KaadmY | sorry |
| 03:06.29 | JeffM | Children and bots should not mix |
| 03:07.37 | blast007 | wasn't any bots |
| 03:08.31 | JeffM | Children and me should not mix |
| 03:14.35 | JeffM | They keep stealing my pokemans |
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