| 00:00.24 | blast007 | okay, I think we are back to 99.9% functionality now :) |
| 00:00.48 | blast007 | ccb: forums are back |
| 00:04.19 | alpha1-2 | "What year is it again? Where am I?" I think you are fallen in love blast007 :) |
| 00:06.18 | alpha1-2 | congratulations all for the new release! |
| 00:06.41 | alpha1-2 | just at time, as planned! (;) |
| 00:07.42 | alpha1-2 | we should make a BZ party or something... |
| 00:07.56 | alpha1-2 | with cookies and all... |
| 00:08.04 | alpha1-2 | (at least virtually) |
| 00:10.47 | alpha1-2 | kierra: organize something :P, you are the best. I can second you |
| 00:12.53 | kierra | lol |
| 00:13.17 | alpha1-2 | maybe some big FMs: Ducati, GU and something else... |
| 00:13.41 | kierra | :) |
| 00:13.53 | alpha1-2 | or after the merging is done |
| 00:14.02 | kierra | after will work just fine :) |
| 00:14.18 | alpha1-2 | yes, good coincidence |
| 00:15.16 | alpha1-2 | Island Hopping can be a good ending free match (no registration needed) |
| 00:15.44 | alpha1-2 | 50 players together :P |
| 00:22.51 | alpha1-2 | its limit is 30 (with 10 observers included), but I could be talk to Ben to increase it exceptionally. It would be fun, it's a popular nowadays server :) . Though, maybe we could have some propositions of main outside leagues servers (Island Hoping, Quickshot, etc.) and decide |
| 00:23.18 | alpha1-2 | I could talk* |
| 00:24.47 | alpha1-2 | developer who doesn't play, developer who is penalized ;) right kierra? |
| 00:27.01 | kierra | appreciates the devs |
| 00:34.47 | alpha1-2 | "Automatic team assignment improvements so that the weaker teams get the new players more often", nice |
| 00:39.13 | alpha1-2 | what do you think of my idea, guys? And would leagues' people play later into some outside servers, or the groups are rather separated? It would be a good oportunity to get new league players too, all should make an effort |
| 00:40.17 | alpha1-2 | seperated* |
| 00:41.03 | alpha1-2 | (oh it was correct) |
| 00:41.05 | the_map | *separated |
| 00:41.07 | the_map | yeah |
| 00:46.35 | alpha1-2 | I think, to not make it too long: 1 big Ducati FM, 1 big GU FM and, third, some simultaneus ending big free outside-leagues matches, maybe separated. "Free", also, in the sense of "play all you want" and "choose between these popular servers: A, B, C". |
| 00:47.41 | the_map | blast007: do we know how many people are on the new release? |
| 00:48.01 | blast007 | no |
| 00:48.11 | blast007 | I could check tomorrow |
| 00:48.38 | the_map | ok, thanks |
| 00:49.57 | alpha1-2 | oh, right, a good point would be to "force" people to download the latest version previously to play, as a requirement. Somebody could check versions before starting |
| 00:50.14 | the_map | ... |
| 00:50.59 | alpha1-2 | that was not what you meant, the_map? |
| 00:51.18 | the_map | no, I didn't want to force people to upgrade to play |
| 00:51.55 | the_map | I just thought that it would be ironic if everyone playing in the "party" was running the previous version |
| 00:51.59 | alpha1-2 | well, it just sounds nice :) (I meant for the "party", OFC) |
| 00:52.09 | the_map | I was also curious |
| 00:52.10 | blast007 | I can trigger upgrade notifications on Windows that will download and launch the new installer |
| 00:52.30 | blast007 | but I'd need to make it able to get it from a http site since older clients can't do https |
| 00:53.47 | alpha1-2 | you are right, the_map, we should better *recommend* it instead of force it |
| 00:55.19 | alpha1-2 | blast007: do you mean into OS, into client or both? |
| 00:55.20 | blast007 | they'd eventually be forced to run at least 2.4.4 |
| 00:55.34 | blast007 | in-game |
| 00:56.04 | alpha1-2 | would they have to restart machine after it also? just curious |
| 00:56.54 | alpha1-2 | (long time not using Windows) |
| 00:57.01 | blast007 | no |
| 00:57.09 | alpha1-2 | okay |
| 00:57.17 | blast007 | it would keep the old version on the system too |
| 00:57.53 | blast007 | literally just downloads the installer, executes it, and quits the current game, and then you run through the installer pages like normal |
| 00:58.35 | the_map | blast007: the next update should also install linux :D |
| 00:58.58 | alpha1-2 | ah nice, was going to ask that |
| 00:59.01 | blast007 | the_map: so that we can install outdated versions of the game? |
| 00:59.12 | the_map | ? |
| 00:59.43 | blast007 | you'd have 2.4.2 in pretty much any linux distribution right now :) |
| 00:59.52 | the_map | ah |
| 00:59.55 | alpha1-2 | installing in linux is a little complicated, the_map :) |
| 01:00.15 | blast007 | even gentoo and arch have 2.4.2 right now |
| 01:00.38 | blast007 | need to work on 2.4.6 now |
| 01:02.08 | allejo | you have any eta 2.4.6? wanna know how much time I have |
| 01:02.14 | alpha1-2 | 2.4.6 is not going to happen soon right? |
| 01:02.42 | blast007 | it will be as soon as possible |
| 01:02.58 | the_map | what's the rush for 2.4.6? |
| 01:03.02 | alpha1-2 | oh nice |
| 01:03.11 | blast007 | to fix the Windows 10 + AMD Graphics issue |
| 01:03.11 | allejo | mkay |
| 01:03.48 | blast007 | (and to have the correct date in our ChangeLog) ;D |
| 01:05.05 | alpha1-2 | I wonder, if 2.4.4 needs any change, does it necessarely have to go to 2.4.5? |
| 01:05.17 | allejo | we're already in 2.4.5 :) |
| 01:05.29 | allejo | and Windows 10 needs to be fixed |
| 01:05.41 | the_map | windows 10, not bzflag :P |
| 01:05.41 | alpha1-2 | okay |
| 01:06.04 | allejo | I stand by my statement |
| 01:10.03 | alpha1-2 | what is the difference between 2.4 branch (default) and master one? |
| 01:10.10 | blast007 | yeah, Windows 10 is a steaming pile, but unfortunately some users were tricked into installing it |
| 01:10.24 | blast007 | master is 2.5 |
| 01:10.27 | allejo | master is 2.5 |
| 01:10.32 | the_map | master is 2.5 |
| 01:10.57 | alpha1-2 | ah, 2.4.5 will be...? |
| 01:11.04 | blast007 | will be what? |
| 01:11.21 | allejo | 2.4.5 is the current development build of 2.4.6 |
| 01:12.23 | alpha1-2 | aahh got it... yes, *2.6* will take long time to come, not 2.4.6, right? |
| 01:12.34 | blast007 | longer, yes |
| 01:12.53 | blast007 | 2.4.6 will mainly just be that Windows 10 AMD fix |
| 01:13.08 | alpha1-2 | because 2.4.4 was going to be the last one some time ago, and then I got confused with 2.6, okay |
| 01:14.18 | blast007 | I didn't want to hold up the release, and it's going to require some riskier changes (switching to SDL2 for Windows, as one possible solution) |
| 01:14.24 | alpha1-2 | then, maybe we can organize party for 2.4.6 better :) after merging and all |
| 01:15.07 | blast007 | why? |
| 01:16.12 | alpha1-2 | well, no problem |
| 01:16.25 | allejo | because 7 ate 9 |
| 01:16.31 | alpha1-2 | i would require some tests yes |
| 01:16.33 | alpha1-2 | it |
| 01:17.19 | alpha1-2 | BTW, how is merging going? |
| 01:18.48 | allejo | hasn't started yet |
| 01:20.03 | alpha1-2 | it says "21st" :P |
| 01:21.21 | blast007 | the league merging? |
| 01:21.37 | blast007 | cuz you need to be more specific |
| 01:21.49 | alpha1-2 | ah, sorry :P |
| 01:21.50 | blast007 | we're also merging the 2.4 branch changes into master |
| 01:22.16 | alpha1-2 | yes, league merging |
| 01:22.38 | allejo | ah, then yea. that's in progress |
| 01:23.36 | alpha1-2 | okay, then the party idea sounds good? would we need 1 or 2 weeks of advertisement? |
| 01:23.56 | alpha1-2 | (after successfull merging) |
| 01:26.05 | alpha1-2 | other question, to vote outside-leagues servers... people send to kierra and me propositions and then we decide? (since voting system is not available anymore) |
| 01:27.26 | allejo | why kierra? |
| 01:27.39 | alpha1-2 | there is not the possibility to enable it temporarely maybe, blast007? |
| 01:28.03 | blast007 | forum polls? |
| 01:28.05 | blast007 | no |
| 01:28.24 | alpha1-2 | anymore? ow :P |
| 01:29.10 | alpha1-2 | she seemed interested and she is a good organizer/famous |
| 01:30.25 | allejo | well don't just include people without having something to present :) |
| 01:31.00 | kierra | a big fm on dupi server! |
| 01:31.40 | alpha1-2 | what's that?? |
| 01:35.37 | alpha1-2 | blast007: I have still a doubt about that AMD issue: you say it works windowed but not in full screen; doesn't it work in *any* resolution with full screen? |
| 01:40.30 | blast007 | can you duplicate the issue? |
| 01:42.46 | alpha1-2 | no, sorry |
| 01:43.04 | the_map | kierra: "dupi"? |
| 01:43.17 | alpha1-2 | I kept that doubt since our last talk about it |
| 01:43.40 | kierra | dupi is a new map wer'e introducing |
| 01:44.15 | alpha1-2 | I think I mentioned it before. Just try different resolutions in full screen mode, if you are able to change it by config file, if I am right |
| 01:44.16 | blast007 | alpha1-2: then what would disccusing it with you accomplish? |
| 01:45.45 | alpha1-2 | (sorry, emergency) AFK |
| 01:45.59 | alpha1-2 | just trying to help, blast007 (have experience) |
| 01:46.31 | blast007 | you have experience with BZFlag issues on Windows 10 with modern AMD graphics? |
| 01:50.24 | alpha1-2 | not specifically, but with machines and OSs, then you think it is not worth it to try it? |
| 01:53.00 | alpha1-2 | (I helped you with a similar bug just before this new, remember?) |
| 01:53.50 | blast007 | if you want to read about the bug, it's on the github issue tracker |
| 01:54.32 | alpha1-2 | yes, I read it, as I said ("you say it works windowed but not in full screen") |
| 03:11.41 | BulletCatcher | I am working on getting 2.4.4 into Fedora. |
| 03:11.42 | BulletCatcher | Is the file structure at download.bzflag.org stable enough to be referenced in the .spec file? |
| 03:18.14 | blast007 | probably. Is it a problem that I screwed up the date in the ChangeLog for 2.4.4? |
| 03:18.35 | BulletCatcher | That shouldn't be a real problem. |
| 03:21.24 | BulletCatcher | It's been a year since we released 2.4.4, but it only feels like a few days. |
| 03:22.38 | the_map | yeah |
| 03:22.51 | the_map | time goes by way too fast |
| 03:23.06 | BulletCatcher | ~the_map++ for catching that. |
| 03:23.32 | the_map | BulletCatcher: I'm the one that pointed out the error |
| 03:23.45 | BulletCatcher | yes |
| 03:23.55 | the_map | I better catch the reference :) |
| 03:24.04 | BulletCatcher | ~karma the_map |
| 03:24.04 | infobot | the_map has karma of 3 |
| 03:24.10 | the_map | high score! |
| 03:59.41 | alpha1-2 | just a question, can't 2.4.4 just be corrected in date? |
| 04:01.46 | blast007 | 2.4.4's code is already released and tagged with the error |
| 04:02.45 | allejo | the 2.4.4 tag shows a CHANGELOG file stating that it was released in 2015. it's already been corrected in 2.4.5 |
| 04:03.10 | the_map | out of curiosity, why is the mistake such a big issue? |
| 04:03.50 | alpha1-2 | yes, but not any way to correct it (deleting and doing it again if possible)? |
| 04:05.24 | alpha1-2 | there should be a way |
| 04:06.04 | allejo | it is possible to delete the tag and create a new tag with the same name but that'd go against semver; i.e. you want to only move forward |
| 04:06.24 | blast007 | it'll be corrected for 2.4.6 |
| 04:15.05 | allejo | you completely restore everything blast? |
| 04:15.24 | blast007 | I didn't do a full reinstall, it was an upgrade |
| 04:15.54 | allejo | I meant like all services have been brought back up |
| 04:16.35 | blast007 | is there something that isn't working? |
| 04:16.54 | the_map | my sleep schedule? |
| 04:17.19 | allejo | oh nah, just wondering |
| 04:19.00 | blast007 | might need to tweak some PHP settings yet, like for the built-in opcache |
| 04:19.51 | alpha1-2 | I was reading that, thanks allejo. I think that the problem would be that if anybody downloaded it, there would be an incompatibility between same versions. Then, it's right. |
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| 06:35.03 | infobot | cbg has karma of -516 |
| 06:35.11 | allejo | the_map ^ |
| 06:50.17 | the_map | allejo: what? |
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| 18:05.02 | macsforme | ~allejo++ |
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| 23:00.23 | blast007 | time to see if I can get an SDL2 client building :) |
| 23:00.29 | blast007 | (on Windows) |
| 23:53.22 | allejo | ~alezakos++ |
| 23:56.08 | allejo | ~macsforme |
| 23:56.11 | allejo | ~macsforme++ |
| 23:57.01 | macsforme | ~karma |
| 23:57.01 | infobot | macsforme has karma of 1 |
| 23:57.05 | macsforme | :P |
| 23:57.08 | macsforme | ~karma Constitution |
| 23:57.08 | infobot | constitution has karma of 97 |
| 23:57.30 | allejo | quit changing your name then |
| 23:57.38 | allejo | ~Constitution++ |
| 23:58.42 | macsforme | once in ten years isn't the worst we've seen :P |