| 00:00.20 | the_map | if it means anything, I didn't enable sdl2 on configure, and bzflag works fine for me |
| 00:00.36 | the_map | re-cloned the repo and reinstalled a couple days ago |
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| 00:03.42 | blast007 | and I guess the first contribution I made was the tabbed message panel. the one I was thinking of was my 4th contribution, a fix for rumble effects filling up the DirectInput device buffer |
| 00:05.15 | alpha1-2 | very nice, blast :) |
| 00:06.18 | alpha1-2 | I don't have SDL 2 available from reposit. anyway (not so updated OS) |
| 00:08.01 | alpha1-2 | well, I will download and compile 3 now. Let's see how much I can test it. Let me know if anything specific needs to be teste more. |
| 00:08.12 | alpha1-2 | tested* |
| 00:09.03 | blast007 | if it's linux, it's probably not going to be much different than RC2 |
| 00:09.56 | alpha1-2 | okay |
| 00:10.15 | alpha1-2 | go Linux, it's the best! :P |
| 00:10.36 | alpha1-2 | (at least until 2038... jk) |
| 00:13.26 | alpha1-2 | I don't do the "make install" part usually. I think this is not too problematic, right? |
| 00:15.52 | blast007 | yeah, that's not a big deal. You can run it just fine without a make install, long as you run the right executable |
| 00:16.06 | alpha1-2 | okay |
| 00:17.45 | kaadmy | alpha1-2: what about the y2k problem windows had :) |
| 00:18.43 | alpha1-2 | we run to linux there, then now we run to windows back again :P |
| 00:19.11 | kaadmy | we got a couple years left |
| 00:19.24 | alpha1-2 | no, it was 'cause of BIOS if I remember well, then affected all |
| 00:53.55 | alpha1-2 | well, after all this talk about places and ways to download, I note that when I downloaded RC2 I did it from "download ZIP" from GH :P I hope it is not too problematic since I did all my tests based on this one (not in the linked in forums/GH releases). Now I did it from the right place. |
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| 01:00.58 | alpha1-2 | the only thing I have to add, if not using "make install", is a link to "data" directory into the "bzflag" one (as refered into docs) |
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| 01:04.35 | zuii | sorry, interrupt ...so there is a port to raspberry pi?! where? did you rewrite opengl code to egl? |
| 01:06.09 | zuii | or just server? |
| 01:07.14 | alpha1-2 | I think macsforme knows it |
| 01:07.28 | zuii | okay,thanks |
| 01:07.39 | alpha1-2 | welcome |
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| 02:54.10 | the_map | how to I change the fps limit? |
| 03:01.28 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.34 | the_map | tried that |
| 03:01.43 | blast007 | and? |
| 03:01.56 | blast007 | did you have the energy saver turned on? |
| 03:01.58 | the_map | nothing happened |
| 03:02.00 | the_map | yeah |
| 03:02.10 | blast007 | nothing happened meaning what? |
| 03:02.19 | the_map | but I modified the config and set it, and it's fixed now |
| 03:02.29 | the_map | the fps didn't go above 30 still |
| 03:02.39 | the_map | I wanted it higher than 30 |
| 03:02.53 | blast007 | then when I suggested should work |
| 03:02.56 | blast007 | what* |
| 03:03.07 | the_map | it didn't; I had to do it in the config |
| 03:03.08 | blast007 | the variable is case sensitive |
| 03:04.10 | the_map | oh |
| 03:04.18 | the_map | that would explain it |
| 03:05.22 | the_map | what should I do if my fps keeps dropping to mid teens? |
| 03:05.28 | the_map | is that just a local issue with lag? |
| 03:09.39 | the_map | I can't play on urban jungle with an FPS less than 30, so I can't play until I resolve that |
| 03:10.57 | kaadmy | urban jungle gets me about 10 to 20 fps |
| 03:11.12 | the_map | you aren't allowed to play with less than 30 |
| 03:12.20 | the_map | also, it's hard to play if you get so few frames per second |
| 03:37.32 | BulletCatcher | First, check whether you have graphics hardware acceleration enabled with a "glxinfo | grep rendering" command. |
| 03:38.33 | kaadmy | what do you mean by "won't let you play with less that 30" |
| 03:38.41 | kaadmy | it works fine |
| 03:41.50 | macsforme | can we just take a collection to buy the_map a better GPU and cooling system? ;) |
| 03:42.38 | the_map | BulletCatcher: :~$ glxinfo | grep rendering |
| 03:42.38 | the_map | direct rendering: Yes |
| 03:43.13 | the_map | kaadmy: it is very difficult to play when the frame rate is so low; besides, it's against the rules to play with less than 30 |
| 03:43.24 | kaadmy | it is? |
| 03:43.36 | macsforme | to *intentionally* play with less than 30 |
| 03:43.43 | kaadmy | ah |
| 03:43.51 | the_map | on urban? |
| 03:43.54 | kaadmy | like the f5 glitch? |
| 03:47.50 | macsforme | the_map: I see nothing in the server rules there regarding 30 fps |
| 03:49.05 | BulletCatcher | Okay, you do have hardware acceleration so that is a good start. |
| 03:49.09 | BulletCatcher | But not all graphics drivers are equal. |
| 03:49.11 | BulletCatcher | What does "glxinfo | grep OpenGL.vendor" output? |
| 03:49.56 | the_map | macsforme: oh, I was wrong |
| 03:50.12 | the_map | from the post on their site, "Modifying fpsLimit to values not lower than 30 (30 is default). Limiting the FPS through other means (GFX settings) to values below 30 FPS is also not allowed." |
| 03:50.21 | the_map | https://bzurbanjungle.wordpress.com/2015/08/02/new-policy-config-file-edits/ |
| 03:50.42 | the_map | BulletCatcher: OpenGL vendor string: X.Org |
| 03:50.59 | macsforme | that was the old hoster anyway |
| 03:53.47 | BulletCatcher | You may be able to get better frame rates by using the proprietary driver for your graphics card, the_map. |
| 03:53.48 | BulletCatcher | With my low-end NVIDIA card, frame rates are about 4 times higher using the NVIDIA proprietary driver than with the open source Nouveau driver. |
| 03:54.21 | the_map | ok, checking for drivers |
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| 04:43.57 | the_map | now no one's on urban jungle to help me test FPS :( |
| 04:47.13 | the_map | server just went down... |
| 04:47.38 | the_map | nvm, local issue |
| 04:54.20 | the_map | still having fps issues |
| 04:58.25 | the_map | oh well |
| 05:20.35 | macsforme | git bisect ftw |
| 05:22.13 | the_map | what? |
| 05:27.55 | macsforme | for finding where a bug was introduced |
| 05:28.09 | macsforme | sorry, abrupt change of subject ;) |
| 05:28.37 | the_map | was waiting to hear how that would solve my FPS problems :) |
| 05:30.16 | macsforme | are you sure the new driver actually took effect? |
| 05:30.46 | the_map | it claims it is |
| 05:32.05 | macsforme | did the output of your OpenGL vendor grep change? |
| 05:32.28 | the_map | OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. |
| 05:35.10 | macsforme | that's a good sign |
| 05:36.55 | macsforme | no significant change in framerate? |
| 05:37.17 | the_map | not so far as I could tell |
| 05:37.53 | the_map | it could maintain the fps limit most of the time, but it would drop to 10-20 occasionally and become unplayable for a second or two |
| 05:37.57 | the_map | same as before |
| 05:38.13 | BulletCatcher | In bzflag, go to Options->Display Settings->Energy Saver and set it of "off". |
| 05:38.21 | the_map | tried that |
| 05:38.24 | BulletCatcher | Then quit and restart to make it take effect. |
| 05:39.05 | the_map | even without restarting, the FPS would visually improve, claiming 150-200, but still doing those drops |
| 05:39.25 | the_map | should I try restarting anyway? |
| 05:39.42 | BulletCatcher | Yes, just in case it really matters. |
| 05:40.21 | BulletCatcher | You just need to restart bzflag, not your whole computer. |
| 05:42.03 | the_map | oh wow |
| 05:42.30 | the_map | launched bzflag, and am now getting black tearing and flickering and stuff |
| 05:43.03 | the_map | tried no energy saver, fps limit, and vertical sync |
| 05:43.09 | the_map | with restarts in between |
| 05:43.45 | macsforme | what is your fpsLimit set to? |
| 05:44.38 | the_map | 30 |
| 05:44.51 | the_map | ... |
| 05:44.57 | the_map | just came back normally |
| 05:45.15 | the_map | it was _bad_ |
| 05:45.45 | the_map | and when I minimized it, it was causing severe issues with the screen it was on |
| 05:46.04 | the_map | the area it occupied was flickering and flashing stripes of black |
| 05:46.18 | the_map | resolved itself when I closed bzflag |
| 05:46.25 | the_map | you guys should have seen it |
| 05:47.37 | the_map | no one at UJ though, and that's the server I have trouble on |
| 05:49.13 | the_map | when there are people there |
| 05:49.24 | the_map | well, usually |
| 06:06.53 | allejo | git bisect looks pretty awesome |
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| 07:48.14 | macsforme | http://fairserve.net/~josh/bzflag/embedded/raspberrypi2.mov |
| 07:48.46 | macsforme | optimized it some more and found some good settings... roughly 30-40 fps at 640x480 |
| 07:49.25 | macsforme | seems playable |
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| 12:39.03 | blast007 | macsforme: 30 to 40 on what kind of server? a ducati map? |
| 12:40.38 | blast007 | nvm, actually watched the video ;) |
| 12:46.20 | blast007 | my cheap laptop from 2006 still gets 45 to 90 FPS on that same map at 640x480, and I'd consider that laptop below the specs we want to target (it can push past 100 on a ducati map, as long as the chat box is turned off) |
| 12:47.38 | blast007 | and that's with an intel 855GM on a single core 1.6GHz Pentium M |
| 12:50.20 | blast007 | it only supports OpenGL 1.3 ;) |
| 12:50.36 | blast007 | no hardware shaders |
| 12:54.40 | blast007 | wonder if you'd get a little higher FPS with the radar set to fast instead of enhanced |
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| 16:35.31 | macsforme | blast007: it actually loses about 5 fps switching to fast or fast sorted |
| 16:35.43 | blast007 | hmm |
| 16:35.45 | macsforme | normal is about the same as enhanced |
| 16:37.43 | kaadmy | enhanced has the hud tags for 3d objects |
| 16:37.52 | kaadmy | like team flags and GMs |
| 16:37.56 | macsforme | looking at the raspberry pi forums, it sounds like a lot of games that have been ported can push out 60 consistently, so it is a little disappointing... but then, bzflag is older than most of them, and the rendering code hasn't been altered much aside from being ported to OpenGL ES |
| 16:56.15 | the_map | if it means anything, hiding the console doesn't help the FPS issues |
| 16:56.29 | the_map | just played a bit at duc, and had issues |
| 16:57.14 | blast007 | what FPS are you getting, and can you upload a screenshot of your Display Settings menu? |
| 16:58.14 | the_map | I limit it to 30, but it drops down to 10-20 occasionally |
| 16:58.28 | blast007 | on Ducati? |
| 16:58.35 | blast007 | what resolution? |
| 16:58.53 | the_map | on a duc server, and UJ, at least |
| 16:59.15 | the_map | 1920x1030 |
| 16:59.52 | blast007 | can you upload the screenshot of your Display Settings? |
| 17:01.07 | the_map | http://ibin.co/2VGEMtp0ZSE5 |
| 17:01.38 | the_map | I suppose I could turn down the quality; haven't really looked at the rest of the settings besides the energy saver |
| 17:02.06 | kaadmy | aniso is actually very fast for me |
| 17:02.17 | kaadmy | i get a 2-5 fps drop with it 16/16 |
| 17:02.17 | the_map | idk anything about it |
| 17:02.26 | kaadmy | whereas any other game just basically kills it |
| 17:03.00 | the_map | if I don't have energy saver on, I can get 150-200+, except for the sudden drops |
| 17:03.41 | blast007 | do you have vertical sync as an option in the energy saver option? |
| 17:03.46 | the_map | yeah |
| 17:03.58 | blast007 | set it to that and restart the client |
| 17:04.37 | the_map | and do some testing? |
| 17:16.32 | the_map | still have some issues, but seemingly not as bad |
| 17:16.57 | the_map | might be due to fewer players shooting at the same time (bigger map) |
| 17:26.17 | blast007 | another reason I won't be getting AMD |
| 17:26.58 | blast007 | granted, I think some things kill the FPS on my nVidia desktop too |
| 17:34.08 | BulletCatcher | I like AMD CPUs, but wouldn't choose anything but an NVIDIA GPU for BZFlag. |
| 17:41.04 | blast007 | especially if you want to run Windows 10 ;) |
| 17:56.42 | BulletCatcher | I really hope I would never want to do such a thing. :-) |
| 17:58.02 | blast007 | same |
| 18:00.10 | the_map | blast007: I thought you do use W10? |
| 18:08.06 | blast007 | no |
| 18:08.14 | blast007 | Windows 7 |
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