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| 02:31.59 | Flak | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.15 | alpha1-2 | hey Flak |
| 02:32.30 | Flak | good to see you |
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| 03:18.26 | kaadmy | so.. my "armory" plugin should be done in a day, another day or so to make a map to play test it with |
| 03:19.48 | kaadmy | the plugin's pretty much done, a few tweaks, a match timer and scori g |
| 03:24.36 | Flak | thats good |
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| 08:24.24 | op90- | goodmorning valera |
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| 10:11.56 | valera_rozuvan | op90-, Hello! |
| 10:33.43 | op90- | Heya. |
| 10:35.23 | op90- | Do you have any wishes for features in a map editor? |
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| 13:40.06 | blast007 | How about I skip this AMD issue for 2.4.4, we get anything else needed finished up, we release 2.4.4, and I'll keep working on it and then we can push a 2.4.4.1 or 2.4.6 when the AMD issue is fixed. |
| 13:40.30 | blast007 | We can just note it in a "Known Issues" section somewhere easily visible |
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| 13:49.00 | blast007 | (think I've held up the release long enough) :P |
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| 13:51.34 | op90- | Will the chattimestamp be in 2.4.4? |
| 13:53.03 | blast007 | probably |
| 13:57.02 | op90- | Having regular releases is a way to signal to potential players the game is alive |
| 13:57.47 | op90- | Whenever I have to select software for work I always look at the last release date |
| 13:58.18 | blast007 | we should post our releases in the future then |
| 13:58.52 | blast007 | "Last Release: 1/13/2148, 3 weeks after the robots took over" |
| 13:59.39 | op90- | lol |
| 13:59.57 | op90- | robot tanks of course |
| 14:01.21 | blast007 | Roger has seized control of the nuclear arsenal! |
| 14:01.33 | blast007 | Oh god, they're jittering all over the place now! |
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| 14:06.17 | op90- | :) :) |
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| 14:11.23 | the_map | blast007: http://xkcd.com/1626/ |
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| 15:31.36 | op90- | Hey Flak |
| 15:35.54 | kaadmy | hi |
| 15:42.43 | op90- | Hey kaadmy |
| 15:43.13 | op90- | Is your map ready? |
| 15:43.49 | kaadmy | it's a plugin not a map(yet) |
| 15:45.24 | kaadmy | the plugin should be done today, i'll release it on the forums when done, then i'll release the map afterwards |
| 15:45.26 | op90- | Aha. Will others be allowed to use the plugin too? |
| 15:45.33 | kaadmy | yeah, why not ;) |
| 15:45.51 | Flak | hi op90 |
| 15:46.02 | kaadmy | ^ you're on mobile op90-? |
| 15:46.54 | op90- | Nice. Got a server running on a raspberrypi. (Just to experiment). Will be nice to experiment with plugins too. |
| 15:46.58 | kaadmy | in have no reason not to release the plugin |
| 15:47.07 | Flak | ? |
| 15:47.10 | kaadmy | is it public? |
| 15:47.11 | op90- | Nope. Laptop. Why? |
| 15:48.04 | op90- | Nay, have to figure out how to do that still. But suspect that a raspberrypi might not be able to handle a lot of players. |
| 15:48.08 | kaadmy | ah, because you're using very short sentences and capitalizing every sentence :) |
| 15:49.02 | op90- | I'm 48 and non English :) |
| 15:49.08 | kaadmy | ah |
| 15:49.11 | Flak | ah |
| 15:49.18 | kaadmy | â :) |
| 15:49.20 | op90- | not using captitals if for young wipper snappers :) |
| 15:49.27 | kaadmy | heh |
| 15:49.32 | Flak | lol |
| 15:50.10 | kaadmy | reading through all the api functions is booring |
| 15:50.42 | Flak | Flak goes to get coffee |
| 15:51.17 | op90- | Should save that for right before bed time |
| 15:51.36 | Flak | agreed the api is boring |
| 15:51.52 | blast007 | op90-: bzfs doesn't really consume that many resources |
| 15:53.04 | blast007 | I used to run an instance on a Pentium 133MHz with 32MB of RAM (though that was in 2002-ish with BZFlag 1.7g0, and dialup, so 3 or 4 players was pretty much the most I could run due to bandwidth constrains) |
| 15:53.27 | op90- | blast007: that is good! Anything with 'raspberrypi' in it attracts people. |
| 15:53.45 | Flak | thats true |
| 15:53.50 | op90- | I'll add to the wiki how to get it compiling on a raspberrypi |
| 15:54.35 | Flak | hey i think it would be nice to have an account on wiki |
| 15:54.47 | op90- | Maybe it will attract some extra traffic. |
| 15:55.33 | kaadmy | RPI seems common lately |
| 15:55.45 | op90- | Flak: It definitely need some love and care. |
| 15:55.52 | kaadmy | a few days ago someone was getting xonotic on rpi |
| 15:56.49 | Flak | lol op90 |
| 15:57.04 | the_map | <Flak> Flak goes to get coffee |
| 15:57.05 | the_map | <op90-> Should save that for right before bed time |
| 15:57.05 | the_map | I don't think that's what coffee is for... ;) |
| 15:57.50 | Flak | agreed map |
| 15:58.49 | op90- | :) |
| 16:00.39 | op90- | Ooooh xonotic looks fun.... another potential time sink :) |
| 16:00.45 | kaadmy | heh |
| 16:00.50 | blast007 | op90-: Constitution got it to run (well, more like crawl... 3FPS) on a Raspberry Pi 2 http://joshb.us/~josh/bzflag/embedded/raspberrypi1.png http://joshb.us/~josh/bzflag/embedded/raspberrypi2.png |
| 16:01.36 | blast007 | we'd need a lot of cleanup in our code and OpenGL calls to make it run at a reasonable FPS |
| 16:02.18 | op90- | Something for 2.6? |
| 16:02.42 | blast007 | not for 2.6.0, probably for 2.8 |
| 16:03.35 | blast007 | it'd be a big undertaking, and we could introduce gameplay changing differences in the process, so best left to a new major release |
| 16:03.51 | blast007 | that could be the goals for 2.8 - cleanup and optimization |
| 16:04.21 | blast007 | 2.6 should be "keep players interested long enough to get addicted" :) |
| 16:04.35 | op90- | Sounds like a plan! |
| 16:05.09 | op90- | That means 2.6 should have a tutorial mode |
| 16:05.29 | op90- | Or tutorial maps |
| 16:05.49 | Flak | it's a good idea to start with |
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| 16:08.13 | blast007 | yup, one of the goals for 2.6 |
| 16:08.40 | Flak | but to get the Raspberry Pi on board with bzflag |
| 16:08.44 | blast007 | https://wiki.bzflag.org/DevelopmentPlans/2.6.0 |
| 16:10.25 | Flak | that looks like a good plan |
| 16:14.32 | blast007 | I do think getting it working on the Raspberry Pi (even the lower end models) would be a good idea since there's a LOT of those devices out there, but not a whole lot of 3D games for the Pi |
| 16:14.54 | op90- | Be happy to help with that once am done with bzworkbench |
| 16:15.43 | blast007 | as of Feb 18th, 2015, they had sold 5 million Raspberry Pis :) |
| 16:16.10 | op90- | Yeah. I got 3. Further 12 at work. |
| 16:16.14 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:16.17 | op90- | They are very useful |
| 16:16.50 | blast007 | I've definitely not used them to their potential yet.. mostly used them to play movies on my TV :P |
| 16:17.30 | Flak | the amount of possible new players from the Raspberry Pi users would make bzflag one of the highest played games |
| 16:22.28 | op90- | bbl |
| 16:29.09 | blast007 | Flak: well, it would at least be a decent possible source of players |
| 16:30.27 | Flak | thats what i would think |
| 16:31.51 | Flak | since we're open source we might be able to get some players from there |
| 16:34.40 | blast007 | once 2.6.0 is out, I think it would then be worth running some advertisements and pushing it on some more gaming platforms (like Desura, which runs on our three main platforms) and some indie game sites |
| 16:35.11 | Flak | that would work nicely |
| 16:36.36 | blast007 | hmm, though Desura might not have a future.. just noticed the company that owns them filed for bankruptcy in June |
| 16:36.45 | Flak | ah |
| 16:36.58 | Flak | that would be an issue |
| 16:43.50 | blast007 | gog.com should buy them :) |
| 16:44.42 | Flak | that could help |
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| 18:56.24 | kaadmy | what would be two good colors for an attack/defend gamemode? i like red(attack)/green(defend) |
| 18:57.00 | kaadmy | i'll just make them settable for now |
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| 19:24.15 | alezakos | I've also used rogue (attack)/green (defend) before |
| 19:27.35 | kaadmy | for the tower defense? |
| 19:27.49 | kaadmy | i remember rogue was the defenders in that map though |
| 19:28.08 | kaadmy | and i need one of the 4 teams, can't be rogue |
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| 19:39.27 | op90- | red and green is good |
| 19:39.51 | op90- | think red and blue is better for colorblind people |
| 19:39.55 | kaadmy | ah |
| 19:41.26 | blast007 | 2.6 should also include some modes for the colorblind, ideally (2.4.4 will be a good start to supporting alternative colors, and for 2.6 we'll add a menu to control colors) |
| 19:42.22 | op90- | That's good feature. Suprisingly many people are colorblind. |
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| 19:43.42 | op90- | http://colorbrewer2.org/ is a nice one to pick colors. Has an option for colorblindproofness too. |
| 19:43.48 | blast007 | we've had some support for altering colors (such as the radar colors) for a long while, but it's something that had to be manually added to the configuration |
| 19:44.49 | blast007 | it's still that way (though now it can be modified via /localset, and it will save in the config), but it was much improved (for instance, it will alter the text colors for teams and it controls all teams now, not just the main ones) |
| 20:00.35 | op90- | what about the text itself? For instance 'you joined the blue' team ? |
| 20:02.26 | blast007 | not sure what all it changes |
| 20:02.32 | blast007 | I don't really play that much ;) |
| 20:03.07 | blast007 | recently, most of my time running BZFlag has been spent staring at an unresponsive window |
| 20:03.35 | blast007 | the joy of mixing Windows 10 with AMD graphics... |
| 20:04.05 | op90- | Spoken like a true developer. |
| 20:04.22 | alezakos | op90-: What do you mean? If you paint the red team blue, it's still called "red team" |
| 20:04.48 | blast007 | op90-: oh, did you mean actually changing what the text *says*, or just the color of the text itself? |
| 20:05.06 | op90- | alezakos: maybe it should be called team alpha, beta, gamma ect |
| 20:05.12 | op90- | Yup. |
| 20:05.28 | blast007 | "yup" meaning "what the text says"? |
| 20:05.28 | op90- | But that might not be a good idea |
| 20:05.44 | op90- | yup. what the text says. |
| 20:05.51 | blast007 | yeah, that would stay the same |
| 20:06.19 | blast007 | so sure, a player could make the red team color blue and the blue team colored white, but they'd still be the red and blue team |
| 20:06.36 | op90- | expected as much. |
| 20:06.36 | alezakos | "You joined the #B3F7A0 team" |
| 20:07.04 | op90- | It might possible to translate #B3F7A0 to a color again. |
| 20:08.58 | blast007 | op90-: well, keep in mind that the color changes are just client-side |
| 20:09.09 | blast007 | each player can customize them to their liking |
| 20:16.15 | op90- | Yeah. Nevermind, I'm seeing problems where there are none. |
| 20:17.15 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:17.29 | blast007 | have no fear though, there are plenty of problems to solve |
| 20:20.40 | op90- | I can image. Lets hope lots of interesting ones. |
| 20:22.22 | kaadmy | op90-: Rex Eclipse uses alpha, beta, gamma and kappa for teams |
| 20:24.37 | op90- | kaamdy: they are good names. But it would be difficult to find the homebase on the radar. You'd have to remember alpha==red beta==blue etc |
| 20:43.28 | kaadmy | ah |
| 20:43.51 | kaadmy | imo the tank color should be independent of team like counterstrike |
| 20:44.16 | kaadmy | but have a team-colored border/fringe like Blender's selected object indicator |
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| 20:55.56 | op90- | I like the border/fringe idea |
| 20:56.42 | kaadmy | would be fairly easy to add too |
| 20:56.45 | kaadmy | *i think* |
| 20:57.50 | kaadmy | a friend had a way to do it easily; you could draw colored lines on all the mesh edges that join a two faces, one backface culled, the other visible |
| 20:58.00 | kaadmy | then you get the whole visible edge |
| 20:58.53 | op90- | sounds logical |
| 20:59.13 | kaadmy | might be how blender does it; makes sense and easy |
| 20:59.32 | kaadmy | but it might be harder to implement, bzflag has the meshes hardcoded |
| 21:02.09 | kaadmy | or even tint the faces to the team color as they become perpendicular to the screen |
| 21:02.28 | kaadmy | which would be far easier with the current bzflag setup imo |
| 21:12.02 | kaadmy | Flak: aha! I just checked, there's already an HTF plugin(HoldTheFlag) default in bzflag |
| 21:16.37 | kaadmy | aaaaagh not only is the tank mesh hardcoded, there's typos ;( |
| 21:16.47 | blast007 | ;D |
| 21:17.14 | blast007 | soumds abouf rihgt |
| 21:17.42 | kaadmy | -_- |
| 21:19.02 | kaadmy | because i'm PRETTY sure that exhaust is spelled E-X-H-A-U-S-T |
| 21:19.09 | kaadmy | not exaust |
| 21:19.25 | blast007 | spelling is exausting |
| 21:19.32 | kaadmy | so are typos ;) |
| 21:19.52 | kaadmy | my plugin is functional, now for the round timer |
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| 22:06.09 | op90- | blast007: are changes to the code in github also pushed to the svn in sourceforge? |
| 22:06.37 | blast007 | nope, the SVN is old and read-only |
| 22:13.33 | op90- | thought so. Then I'll update the wiki further to reflect this. |
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