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| 00:52.03 | click_ | wow this chat channel used to have easily 100 users in here. |
| 00:58.34 | blast007 | Yeah, we had to shut down all the bot accounts to save money. The economy, amiright? |
| 01:16.06 | kierra | Lol |
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| 02:13.39 | alpha1-2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:15.58 | alezakos | you need to have the CLIENTQUERY permission to be able to perform client queries |
| 02:16.41 | alpha1-2 | I am an admin, and I get all the other 5 players' clients |
| 02:17.07 | alezakos | also, the version string is something that the client sents to the server, so any player can alter their version string at will |
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| 02:19.24 | alezakos | FYI, if you just type a space character ( ), the computer recognises that it's a space, and you don't need to write (space) next to it |
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| 02:27.24 | blast007 | heh, wonder if silencing someone makes it not send a clientquery response |
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| 02:28.23 | blast007 | well, that would be an obvious reason then |
| 02:28.27 | alpha1-2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.38 | blast007 | but I was talking about silencing, as in, client-side |
| 02:28.39 | alpha1-2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.41 | blast007 | not mute, which is server side |
| 02:28.58 | alpha1-2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.31 | blast007 | I meant the other way around, but whatever |
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| 02:32.01 | blast007 | I guess at least not anymore. Seems we have /clientquery as a proper server-side command now. In the past, it was implemented by just yelling clientquery. Literally. You would just send CLIENTQUERY in chat, and all the clients would see that and respond back. |
| 02:32.37 | blast007 | Those were the days... |
| 02:34.41 | alpha1-2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:36.27 | blast007 | no, that's just you being silly |
| 02:36.34 | blast007 | feature working as intended |
| 02:36.55 | blast007 | so maybe just stop being annoying by spamming /clientquery, which is a useless command |
| 02:40.06 | alpha1-2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.08 | alpha1-2 | option? He seems to use proxies |
| 02:41.22 | blast007 | Well, you wanted to be an admin. Have fun. |
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| 02:45.26 | allejo | What about me |
| 02:46.15 | alpha1-2 | oh sorry man, I mixed you again with alezakos |
| 02:46.33 | alpha1-2 | it's the time |
| 02:48.07 | alpha1-2 | hehe, I am a little disturbed about this community haha, sorry |
| 02:48.46 | alpha1-2 | I am latinamerican, have patience with me, that I have it with you all :) |
| 02:52.33 | allejo | Client strings as already mentioned are not reliable. If you absolutely are insistent on watching the client string, a bz_BasePlayerRecord in the API should have something that you can use |
| 02:54.07 | alpha1-2 | oh thanks I will have a look |
| 02:56.45 | blast007 | not his server though |
| 02:59.39 | allejo | Oh |
| 03:00.05 | alpha1-2 | is that a BZ variable? |
| 03:00.14 | blast007 | no, it's part of the server plugin API |
| 03:00.21 | blast007 | so doesn't really do anything for you |
| 03:00.52 | alpha1-2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.40 | alpha1-2 | ah to develop a plugin to help me, okay, I see (but not on this server, yes) |
| 03:01.49 | allejo | I thought this was on like an unmaintained server |
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| 03:56.16 | allejo | let me know if that doesn't do anything on bztank |
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| 04:57.25 | allejo | unpolished thought, so up for discussion and refinement |
| 04:58.02 | allejo | add a new option to the start menu as a tutorial. it'll start a local server with a plugin instructing the player on what to do |
| 04:58.57 | allejo | local server in order to not rely on a single host (in case they disappear) and not have to worry about lag or what not |
| 04:59.19 | allejo | maybe even add bots to the server as well |
| 05:00.14 | allejo | wouldn't change gameplay so it can definitely be a 2.4.x |
| 05:29.04 | the_map | sounds like a great idea to me |
| 05:38.38 | kierra | i like it |
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| 07:50.46 | the_map | when I want to pull updates to bzflag from github, what should I do? it failed the last two times I tried |
| 07:52.10 | the_map | I used terminal, and tried `git pull origin master` |
| 07:56.34 | the_map | right now my solution is to rm -rf the bzflag directory and reclone it |
| 07:56.44 | the_map | +rebuild and all that |
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| 10:20.09 | alezakos | the_map: Are yo sure you wanted the master branch? |
| 10:20.14 | alezakos | you* |
| 10:21.32 | alezakos | The current stable branch is `2.4`, master contains 2.5, which is currently in development |
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| 11:13.30 | blast007 | allejo: yeah, let's put a focus on the Start Server option that hardly ever works correctly and provides detailed error messages like "Failed... unknown error (1)." |
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| 17:21.50 | the_map | alezakos: oh...thanks :) |
| 17:22.10 | the_map | what happened to that bot that would announce pushes to github? |
| 17:22.28 | blast007 | it announces them to a different channel, afaik |
| 17:24.02 | blast007 | or wait, I was thinking I was on a different channel ;D |
| 17:24.18 | blast007 | it joins when things are to be announced and then leaves |
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| 19:32.33 | alpha1-2 | What would be the best solution, guys, about BZ map edition for the future?, improving either Blender plugin or any specialized editor? |
| 19:32.53 | blast007 | editor, not edition |
| 19:33.10 | blast007 | it's not a book |
| 19:34.15 | blast007 | the blender plugin, afaik, has not worked for a long time |
| 19:34.39 | blast007 | we already have the start of a specialized editor |
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| 19:39.01 | alpha1-3 | was my qestion seen? my IP changed |
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| 19:50.22 | alpha1-3 | maybe op90 is interested: "What would be the best solution, guys, about BZ map edition for the future?, improving either Blender plugin or any specialized editor?" |
| 19:51.35 | Flak | my opinion would be to create one specificly for bzflag |
| 19:52.28 | alpha1-3 | there are severals, Flak, already, just out-of-date |
| 19:52.42 | Flak | a new one |
| 19:52.49 | alpha1-3 | do you know Blender a little? |
| 19:53.06 | Flak | not an expert in it yet |
| 19:53.38 | alpha1-3 | isn't Blender the best option? why? |
| 19:55.09 | op90 | For context: I am busy reviving bzworkbench. |
| 19:55.49 | alpha1-3 | okay, nice, op90, then: why would not be Blender the best option? |
| 19:55.59 | op90 | Also, maybe it is not an either or question. |
| 19:57.10 | op90 | Blender is a viable option to. But it has a steep learning curve. |
| 19:57.37 | op90 | Also it needs a big screen and beefy cpu |
| 19:58.13 | op90 | It is nice to have something for people with 'smaller' hardware too. |
| 19:58.17 | alpha1-3 | that's true but, I think that, after some time now, it would be good to make a decision, to aim/group development in one lead project |
| 19:58.23 | Flak | thats the main issue with blender for me |
| 19:58.43 | Flak | uses too much of my cpu and ram |
| 19:59.30 | op90 | I have a budget laptop. bzworkbench runs very smoothly on it. |
| 20:00.56 | op90 | But it won't hurt to have both options available. |
| 20:02.30 | Flak | agreed |
| 20:14.18 | alpha1-3 | I don't think Blender can consume too much resurces. It will use all available OFC |
| 20:14.43 | alpha1-3 | is checking |
| 20:25.48 | alpha1-3 | what OS do you use, op90? |
| 20:26.19 | op90 | Arch Linux |
| 20:27.43 | op90 | Just installed Blender. Memory wise is seems to be OK. But my screen is definitely to small for it. |
| 20:31.36 | op90 | Alpha1-3: why do you worry about having two options available? |
| 20:34.04 | alpha1-3 | it doesn't seem too much, just meddium requirements. Of course, if you use very tiny/limited modern machines, it would be not appropiate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blender_%28software%29#Hardware_requirements |
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| 20:38.58 | alpha1-3 | just, as I said, to have one 'official' lead project |
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| 20:40.03 | alpha1-3 | it seems to be the best idea in FLOSS movement, after some time of development. Lead projects are the best way to group efforts |
| 20:40.30 | alpha1-3 | how many BZ there are? 1 :P |
| 20:40.48 | alpha1-3 | LibreOffice, Firefox, Apache, etc |
| 20:41.05 | alpha1-3 | are there* |
| 20:41.30 | op90 | Firefox might not be the best example. There is chromium too. I use both. |
| 20:42.03 | op90 | I agree though it is good to focus development effort. |
| 20:42.53 | alpha1-3 | yeds, the little bit detail is that it is of Google, a very little enterprise :P |
| 20:43.15 | op90 | However. I would not be working on the blender-plugin. Lack the knowlegde and resources. So not effort is lost. |
| 20:44.06 | alpha1-3 | IMHO, about 3D designs, I think the knowledge about it is very similar |
| 20:44.30 | alpha1-3 | BZW formatts, map designs, and... 3D designs |
| 20:46.53 | op90 | But blender knowlegde is needed. I have none. |
| 20:47.07 | alpha1-3 | time to learn it? :P |
| 20:47.15 | op90 | Also the steep learning curve of blender remains. |
| 20:47.41 | op90 | I all for learning new things, but time is short. |
| 20:47.43 | alpha1-3 | I just was able, as explained, to open complex maps into it! It was exciting! |
| 20:48.16 | alpha1-3 | have you seen some complex maps in BZ? |
| 20:48.40 | alpha1-3 | they are really impressive. Are you new? Do you know Louman designer? |
| 20:49.21 | op90 | Yup. His maps are excelent. Played in graveyard one yesterday. |
| 20:49.45 | op90 | bzworkbench would not be for him. |
| 20:52.05 | op90 | Products can cater to different audiences. |
| 20:52.51 | op90 | For instance I use vim for editing code. But I would not advice someone who just want to enter a few lines of text to use it. |
| 21:19.03 | alpha1-3 | then what are your plans for BZWorkbench? |
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| 21:35.06 | op90 | The plan is to get it fully working under Linux. Fix any bugs that remain. Try to get it to compile under Windows again. Then add additional features. |
| 21:36.13 | op90 | Not planning to make it compile on an Apple machine as I do not have access to those. |
| 21:36.37 | op90 | All the while using it to create training maps. |
| 21:49.08 | alpha1-3 | sounds nice but what about meshes? BTW, are you the original author maybe? |
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| 21:59.36 | op90 | Nope not the original author. It reads and renders meshes. |
| 22:05.56 | alpha1-3 | okay, nice, what's the problem then with that editor? if it reads meshes? |
| 22:06.38 | op90 | (See https://github.com/gumpu/bzworkbench ) |
| 22:07.18 | op90 | The problem was that it had not been updated for quite a few years. So it did not compile under recent Linux versions. |
| 22:08.13 | op90 | This because the libraries it depends on have been modified |
| 22:10.52 | op90 | I am not sure however, how finished it was in the fist place cause I did not run the previous versions. |
| 22:13.24 | alpha1-3 | okay, I see, thanks for the chat, I will let you work, then |
| 22:14.43 | op90 | Thank you too. always nice to exchange ideas |
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