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| 03:06.31 | blast007 | in any case, time to swap storage media on my router so I can test for this AMD graphics issue |
| 03:07.15 | alpha1-2 | thanks TimRiker |
| 03:07.29 | alpha1-2 | what happened? |
| 03:08.16 | TimRiker | dunno. Moved the machine infobot lives on to a new IP, but seemed to reconnect then. The process was still running, but the connections had died. |
| 03:08.33 | TimRiker | ~chaninfo |
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| 03:08.59 | TimRiker | looks good now. thanx for the note. home life is eating up all my time these days. |
| 03:09.10 | alpha1-2 | welcome |
| 03:10.03 | alpha1-2 | you should play BZ sometimes, it's good for health :)... ah |
| 03:10.11 | alpha1-2 | almost! |
| 03:11.11 | Constitution | yeah, tell me you don't run Windows on your router ;) |
| 03:24.59 | blast007 | Constitution: I don't :P |
| 03:25.02 | blast007 | pfsense |
| 03:25.34 | blast007 | I have to use my ASUS router as an actual router now |
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| 20:18.20 | Flak_ | hi |
| 20:20.04 | blast007 | hi |
| 20:20.41 | Flak_ | hi blast007 |
| 20:22.25 | Flak_ | there's a possible issue related to low cost computers |
| 20:22.56 | Flak_ | such as the raspberry Pi |
| 20:24.19 | Flak_ | one could register multiple accounts |
| 20:24.20 | blast007 | hmm? |
| 20:25.41 | Flak_ | and join leagues under multiple names and create false teams by modifying autopilot |
| 20:26.23 | Flak_ | so there would appear to be regular players |
| 20:27.39 | blast007 | you realize that someone could just run multiple clients on one computer if that was actually a feasible thing, right? |
| 20:27.52 | Flak_ | yes |
| 20:28.12 | Flak_ | but they would come from the same ip |
| 20:28.14 | blast007 | then where does a raspberry pi come into play (which can't even run BZFlag, by the way) |
| 20:28.21 | blast007 | they still would all come from the same IP... |
| 20:29.02 | blast007 | with IPv4, there's generally multiple computers behind a single public IP address |
| 20:29.30 | Flak_ | the raspberry was an example |
| 20:30.16 | blast007 | seems like a non-issue to me |
| 20:30.48 | Flak_ | well it could |
| 20:31.09 | Flak_ | games could be rigged |
| 20:35.22 | blast007 | and what's your suggestion to prevent it? |
| 20:35.42 | Flak_ | location based tracking |
| 20:36.32 | blast007 | so attach a GPS tracker to the source code so we can monitor where it's gone? |
| 20:37.18 | the_map | Flak_: if you mean geoip, wouldn't that limit the number of players that could play in a region, blocking real players? |
| 20:38.22 | Flak_ | it would be based in 50 mile radius |
| 20:38.39 | blast007 | you don't really understand how this works, do you? |
| 20:38.40 | the_map | and what if there are actually multiple real users in that radius? |
| 20:38.52 | blast007 | you can't look up the location of a person, you look up the location of their ISP segment |
| 20:39.13 | Flak_ | if 10 players are playing at once |
| 20:39.27 | Flak_ | in a 50 mile radius |
| 20:39.37 | blast007 | and in some areas, like Germany, there isn't even good (free) GeoIP lookup... for Germany, it just says "Germany", no specific areas of it |
| 20:41.24 | the_map | Flak_: how would you distinguish between real players and fake ones? what if all 10 are real, and there are some players that are blocked because of the limit? what if there's only one real, and nine bots, blocking any more players that could be real? |
| 20:41.44 | blast007 | Flak_: do you understand our reasoning about why that can't work? |
| 20:41.51 | Flak_ | some complications are inhernt in any complex system |
| 20:42.23 | the_map | Flak_, what you suggest would only limit the number of connections; it would do nothing about bots |
| 20:42.32 | Flak_ | geoip data presents issues |
| 20:42.49 | blast007 | Flak_: anyways, this is still a non-issue, and not something that BZFlag needs to solve |
| 20:43.02 | Flak_ | oh ok |
| 20:44.38 | Flak_ | it proably could be fixed by admins |
| 20:44.52 | Flak_ | rather then code changes |
| 20:45.11 | blast007 | I think it would be noticable |
| 20:45.19 | blast007 | there are replays of every match |
| 20:45.36 | blast007 | and match servers are public |
| 20:46.30 | Flak_ | oh ok ,it was a small concern |
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| 22:01.55 | Constitution | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.00 | Constitution | http://fairserve.net/~josh/bzflag/embedded/raspberrypi2.png :P |
| 22:02.31 | Constitution | (please ignore the "FPS: 3" in the middle of the screen) |
| 22:03.36 | blast007 | ;) |
| 22:03.55 | blast007 | I'd love to view that screenshot, but.. avast |
| 22:04.31 | Constitution | http://joshb.us/~josh/bzflag/embedded/raspberrypi2.png |
| 22:04.41 | Constitution | magic |
| 22:05.25 | blast007 | odd thing is, I even have fairserve.net on my web filter exclusion list, but it still blocks it.. |
| 22:06.15 | blast007 | "that's just a full-screen GIF playing!" "that's remote access, which is why it's only getting 3FPS!" |
| 22:06.54 | blast007 | was that on a Pi2, or was it just the second screenshot? |
| 22:07.17 | Constitution | both screenshots were on a Pi2 |
| 22:09.06 | Constitution | so an original Pi should get at least 1 FPS :P |
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