| 02:17.36 | *** join/#bzflag Constitution (b8653225@bzflag/developer/Constitution) |
| 02:27.51 | *** join/#bzflag mdskpr (~quassel@209.222.8.90) |
| 02:38.10 | *** join/#bzflag mdskpr (~quassel@209.222.8.90) |
| 02:42.46 | *** join/#bzflag mdskpr (~quassel@209.222.8.90) |
| 02:53.58 | *** join/#bzflag mdskpr (~quassel@209.222.8.90) |
| 03:17.58 | *** join/#bzflag meeba (~lamer@c-73-14-146-7.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 03:32.05 | *** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (~Michael@c-73-149-20-29.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 03:44.52 | *** join/#bzflag allejo (~allejo@unaffiliated/allejo) |
| 03:44.52 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v allejo] by ChanServ |
| 04:17.44 | *** join/#bzflag I_Died_Once (~I_Died_On@unaffiliated/idiedonce/x-1828535) |
| 04:52.22 | *** join/#bzflag nitroxis_ (n@nxs.one) |
| 04:53.37 | *** join/#bzflag tofu (~sean@66-118-151-70.static.sagonet.net) |
| 04:55.01 | *** join/#bzflag javawizard (~quassel@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539) |
| 05:17.55 | *** join/#bzflag contempt (contempt@unaffiliated/contempt) |
| 05:24.34 | *** join/#bzflag khazhyk` (~khazhyk@unaffiliated/khazhyk) |
| 06:33.12 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@2605:e000:141b:412b:c43b:203f:47e7:b6d5) |
| 06:33.12 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@about/essy/CrazyCoder/DTRemenak) |
| 06:33.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 17:24.58 | *** join/#bzflag infobot (ibot@170-72-46-25.vivintwireless.net) |
| 17:24.58 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://ohloh.net/p/bzflag || https://wiki.bzflag.org/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://infobot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || 2.4.4-RC2 https://goo.gl/KNuYQF |
| 17:24.58 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 20:37.59 | *** join/#bzflag infobot (ibot@170-72-44-209.vivintwireless.net) |
| 20:37.59 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://ohloh.net/p/bzflag || https://wiki.bzflag.org/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://infobot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || 2.4.4-RC2 https://goo.gl/KNuYQF |
| 20:37.59 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 20:38.55 | valera_rozuvan | Hello! |
| 20:38.58 | valera_rozuvan | = ) |
| 20:39.01 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:39.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o blast007] by blast007 |
| 20:39.07 | valera_rozuvan | Thank you for the wonderful game of BZFLAG! |
| 20:39.25 | valera_rozuvan | I have 1 question = ) |
| 20:40.46 | valera_rozuvan | Can I rewrite the game from scratch, so that it has *almost* the same gameplay and dynamics as BZFLAG, and call it BZFLAG NEXT? |
| 20:41.42 | blast007 | that's a bigger project than you might guess :) |
| 20:42.13 | valera_rozuvan | I want to 1.) make it OpenGL 3+ 2.) remove some of the flags 3.) cheat-proof by design 4.) better user interface for game screens and level designer. |
| 20:43.21 | blast007 | you could probably come up with a different name so there isn't confusion about it being directly related to BZFlag |
| 20:44.21 | valera_rozuvan | 5.) GNU GPL 2 from start 6.) contribution and development philosophy like Debian |
| 20:45.13 | valera_rozuvan | 7.) backward compatibility for all versions |
| 20:45.24 | valera_rozuvan | That's about it = ) |
| 20:45.36 | blast007 | Why GPL instead of LGPL? |
| 20:45.58 | blast007 | and what exactly do you mean about backwards compatibility? |
| 20:47.29 | valera_rozuvan | Well - GPL because Linux is what got me into Open Software in the first place. And it's GPL 2 = ) |
| 20:47.46 | valera_rozuvan | I love GPL and publish all my work into Open Source world as GPL. |
| 20:48.37 | blast007 | We had switched to LGPL because of our plugin system. That way people can distribute closed source plugins (or plugins with different licenses). |
| 20:48.47 | valera_rozuvan | Each new release game/server release - doesn't require you to update your map. You simply upgrade the software - and restart the server. |
| 20:49.07 | valera_rozuvan | I want to go Debian way - everything is open source. |
| 20:49.52 | blast007 | You'll see some less adoption then. |
| 20:50.37 | blast007 | as for maps, they already are mostly compatible. I can load up a map from 1.7 in a 2.4 server. |
| 20:51.10 | blast007 | The main conversion that is necessary for *really* old maps is changing from radians to degrees. |
| 20:51.35 | blast007 | Other than that, it's more differences in physics than anything else. |
| 20:52.17 | blast007 | (in 1.7, for instance, tanks didn't have actual height, so jumping up under a box would make the top of your tank go into the box, and only stop when the bottom of your tank hit the obstacle) |
| 20:55.44 | blast007 | in any case, I think a complete rewrite is too much work for one person unless you're VERY dedicated to seeing it through to the end |
| 20:57.14 | blast007 | Also, I think a good chunk of our players play this game *because* it doesn't require a super powered computer to play. Requiring OpenGL 3 might make it impossible to run on some systems, though some that have GL3 might actually run it faster than our GL code. |
| 20:58.44 | valera_rozuvan | 8.) My biggest concern - the point system. Per map, per player, etc. I want to make it more of an experience that battle.net ... |
| 21:01.24 | valera_rozuvan | 9.) Someone already raised it as a point on the forums - the new game should be organized under a foundation. With a member comitee and democracy for electing new members, etc. |
| 21:02.09 | valera_rozuvan | Anyways - I will start up the project, have some rough playable skeleton, and will see how the community takes this new development of things = ) |
| 21:03.51 | valera_rozuvan | I just wanted to hear what people in here might think about ideas 1 - 9 ... |
| 21:06.16 | blast007 | at this point, the official project will keep working on improving the existing codebase until we think it's no longer viable |
| 21:07.01 | blast007 | 2.4.4 is coming out soon, and then the focus will switch to 2.6 (which will do things like improving the GUI and adding tutorials - basically things to make it more intuitive and easier to get started with) |
| 21:14.02 | valera_rozuvan | OK! For the time being, the cryptonym for the new project will be bzfSpirit . I will keep you guys up to date. |
| 21:55.27 | *** join/#bzflag kierra (~quassel@unaffiliated/kierra) |
| 23:38.28 | Constitution | TimRiker: I'm sorry to keep bugging you, but a response on the licensing issue would be very helpful... I have the client running on iOS, but want to make sure I will have rights to distribute the end product before I invest a lot of time into a UI reconfiguration/touch interface |
| 23:39.49 | TimRiker | I've not gotten much in the way of positive feed back from other developers. The iOS licensing is unfortunately not very friendly towards GPL / LGPL licenses. |
| 23:41.43 | Constitution | dual license under LGPL and mozilla, or just keeping LGPL but adding one additional clause, would be sufficient |
| 23:43.22 | Constitution | and mozilla requires the source be distributed, so no closed-source binaries (if that is the main concern) |
| 23:43.28 | Constitution | I haven't even spread the word much, and yet I've had several players tell me how much they would like to have an iOS client |
| 23:47.49 | blast007 | coming soon - Flappy Tanks! |
| 23:48.04 | Constitution | ~lart blast007 |
| 23:48.04 | infobot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on blast007 |
| 23:56.29 | Constitution | TimRiker: just a yes/no answer would be helpful... the existing code is so difficult to work in, that writing a clone from scratch is already tempting in some ways (you saw the discussion just a few hours ago)... but I don't want to waste effort, so I want to set the right direction before getting too far into it |
| 23:58.47 | Constitution | I know some of us are more focused on improving the current game (like blast007), and that would help avoid fracturing the community (which we all want), so resolving this license issue would make that option more viable |