IRC log for #bzflag on 20150703

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05:58.52BZnotify[13bzflag] 15allejo pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vqJA3
05:58.52BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 1474ea8d0 15allejo: Standardize white-space for FlagStay...
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06:04.44allejo~BulletCatcher++
06:04.51allejothanks for commit 9e18e5d :D
06:16.52allejoanyone know of a map that uses rabidrabbit?
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06:20.44BZnotify[13bzflag] 15allejo pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vqJj6
06:20.44BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 140a85f16 15allejo: Make use of bz_CustomZoneObject in rabidRabbit...
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06:24.07Constitution~allejo++
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06:30.18BZnotify[13bzflag] 15allejo pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vqUvQ
06:30.18BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 143098ea2 15allejo: Fix the build, std::find is defined in algorithm
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06:30.28allejook much better
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13:02.13blast007Constitution: not a problem - was an easy fix
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13:03.50BZnotify[13bzflag] 15blast007 pushed 2 new commits to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vqTxh
13:03.50BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 1435e65d1 15Scott Wichser: Define _USE_MATH_DEFINES for the Windows build of rabidRabbit so it has M_PI available.
13:03.50BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 14ea4d756 15Scott Wichser: Since we require VC10, we don't need to handle the case of VC6 or lower.
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14:08.33the_mapallejo, breaker of own builds? he got mine too
14:08.41the_mapit didn't work last night
14:08.44the_mapworks now though
14:11.10blast007man, this CIDR ban stuff keeps getting more complicated as I go... keep finding functions I need to modify.. :P
14:11.35blast007quite a bit of special cases currently in the code to handle our hackish wildcard IP bans
14:12.03the_maplike the i before e, except when it's not rule?
14:14.07blast007like treating trailing octets of 255 as a wildcard
14:20.29BulletCatcherI expect that we'll have to touch the same fuctions when adding IPv6 support to the ban system.
14:20.31BulletCatcherAnything you can do now that will make that easier will be appreciated.
14:21.06blast007yeah, adding IPv6 support for the ban system after all this should be fairly trivial in comparison :)
14:21.13BulletCatcheryay
14:28.01BulletCatcherIf you'll define _USE_MATH_DEFINES when building the wwzones plugin then we can use M_PI there, too.
14:39.27allejohmm I actually think rabidRabbit could make use of BC's changes to flagStay last time with DEG2RADf
14:39.43allejopossibly wwzones though I haven't looked through the code to be sure
14:40.04BulletCatcherLook on the master branch. :-)
14:43.33BulletCatcherOh, I see where I missed it.
14:44.02BulletCatcherI found the cases with "180" in the code.
14:44.55blast007heh.. I was getting a "the source code is different from the original version" error when debugging.. rebuilt, same... just realized I was pointing to the bzfs.exe from my other clone, so of course it's different  >.<
14:48.17BulletCatcherallejo is correct: we can use DEG2RADf in rabidRabbit and wwzones an then we don't have to use M_PI (and _USE_MATH_DEFINES).
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14:51.38blast007ah
14:51.56blast007in 2.4?
14:53.11BulletCatcherYes.  I don't see any problem with using DEG2RADf in those plugins in 2.4.
15:00.21BulletCatcherExcept that we don't include common.h in plugins, so never mind.
15:01.24blast007heh
15:01.53allejowait then how is flagStay making use of it?
15:02.20BulletCatcherflagStay uses M_PI
15:02.50BulletCatcherSo wwzones might as well use M_PI too.
15:03.17allejowait actually no, flagStay doesn't use pi. your changes were to bzfsAPI.cxx my bad :x
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15:05.00BulletCatchernp
15:05.00BulletCatcherI can't remember what I've done, either. :-p
15:05.41blast007Where am I?  Get off my lawn!
15:07.39allejowould including common.h in plugins be bad?
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15:08.06BZnotify[13bzflag] 15blast007 pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vqkP2
15:08.06BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 14c011d6a 15Scott Wichser: Define _USE_MATH_DEFINES for the wwzones plugin.  Also just use M_PI directly in wwzones and rabidRabbit instead of storing it in a variable.
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15:08.08blast007probably
15:08.46blast007I don't think we should include anything other than bzfsAPI/bzfsPlugin stuff and system headers
15:10.46allejothat's fair
15:10.55allejois _USE_MATH_DEFINES only for VS?
15:21.47BulletCatcheryes
15:37.46blast007and to give a little background from VC's math.h: "Define _USE_MATH_DEFINES before including math.h to expose these macro definitions for common math constants.  These are placed under an #ifdef since these commonly-defined names are not part of the C/C++ standards."
15:37.55blast007and it defines M_E, M_LOG2E, M_LOG10E, M_LN2, M_LN10, M_PI, M_PI_2, M_PI_4, M_1_PI, M_2_PI, M_2_SQRTPI, M_SQRT2, and M_SQRT1_2
15:43.19BulletCatcherOn Linux those constants are within "#if defined __USE_MISC || defined __USE_XOPEN", both of which appear to be defined by default.
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15:47.48BZnotify[13bzflag] 15JMakey pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vqkxm
15:47.48BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 146ea8e87 15Jeff Makey: Simplify conversion of degrees to radians in plugins.
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15:53.03allejoohhh that's why Linux didn't throw any issues when I used M_PI
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16:34.11BZnotify[13bzflag] 15JMakey pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/vqIOE
16:34.11BZnotify13bzflag/06master 14436f9e5 15Jeff Makey: One use of fabs() on a variable is sufficient....
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16:38.56BulletCatcherThat is a deliberate allusion to the STTNG "Below Decks" episode, BTW. :-)
16:40.44blast007Is that the episode where Luke loses his hand?
16:47.17BulletCatcherNo, but there are similarities to the episode where Zoidberg molts.
16:49.14blast007;D
16:56.26blast007well, that's progress.  Successfully loaded a CIDR ban from file and it was properly checked when joining.
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18:35.18chickenfarmeranyone here currently?
18:35.59BulletCatcher~ask
18:36.00infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
18:36.06chickenfarmerhey, BC
18:36.09BulletCatcherhi
18:36.20chickenfarmeri'm seeing some funny stuff trying to access bzflag, the site, the forums, etc.
18:36.25chickenfarmerwhen i do a whois on bzflag.org
18:36.39chickenfarmeri get bz.bzflag.bz, ns1.saygus.com and ns1.rikers.org
18:36.53chickenfarmerthe first and third aren't alive or visible to me
18:37.06chickenfarmerand saygus.com is apparently the only one that I can query using dig
18:37.09BulletCatcherIt's a known problem.
18:37.13chickenfarmerat any rate, it's causing having
18:37.18chickenfarmerhavoc, i mean
18:37.23chickenfarmeris anyone working on this?
18:37.52chickenfarmerthe past few days, when i launch bzflag, i can't query a list server for a list of online servers because of this
18:38.02chickenfarmeri've tried multiple name servers to resolve it, but no joy so far
18:38.07chickenfarmerany good workarounds?
18:39.31chickenfarmer.
18:40.18chickenfarmerdo you have a workaround for it that you would suggest?
18:40.57BulletCatcherYou can add my.bzflag.org to your hosts file.  I'm trying to determine the correct IP address right now.
18:41.14chickenfarmerk
18:41.36BulletCatcherblast007 could help if he is around.
18:41.38chickenfarmerwhen i query saygus.com, it then lists a bunch of Hurricane Electric name servers as authoritative for the domain
18:41.51BulletCatcherThat is as intended.
18:42.25blast007or change your list to be http://my.bzflag.bzexcess.com/db/
18:42.42blast007(just added that one as an alias on that apache vhost)
18:43.36blast007you can either edit your config manually and remove the # from the start of 'set list' (and put that URL there), or run pass -list http://my.bzflag.bzexcess.com/db/ as an option to bzflag when you run it
18:43.37chickenfarmeryeah, querying hurricane's name server shows that "my" is a cname for bzexcess
18:43.45blast007yep
18:44.01chickenfarmerdid ns1.rikers.org just "cease" to exist
18:44.12chickenfarmeri'm assuming that's Tim's domain
18:44.28chickenfarmer.
18:44.38chickenfarmeralso, do you know if they are working to clean this up and actually fix it?
18:44.48chickenfarmerseems that this would affect trying to grow the game ...
18:44.51chickenfarmer.
18:46.01blast007we tried before but Tim didn't want to move away from self hosted DNS...
18:46.45BulletCatcherI think Tim moved ns1.rikers.org to a different IP address, but hasn't changed the .org glue record.
18:47.42BulletCatcherAnd bz.bzflag.bz isn't providing DNS service at all.
18:48.00BulletCatcherbrlcad would be the one to fix that.
18:48.45chickenfarmer*sigh*
18:48.58blast007BulletCatcher: ns1.rikers.org looks to be on a wireless ISP too ;)
18:49.05chickenfarmergah!
18:49.07BulletCatcherLovely.
18:49.42chickenfarmeri could set him up with an OpenSRS self-managed dns account if he wants the security of having a major company host the dns
18:49.51blast007I think what we really need here is something more reliable, like a Windows NT 4.0 box on dialup.
18:50.00chickenfarmerthat heavy?
18:50.05chickenfarmeri was think 3.11
18:50.23chickenfarmerusing Trumpet Winsock
18:50.38chickenfarmer.
18:50.44chickenfarmerwell, it's the first time it bit me
18:50.57chickenfarmerbut it left me with no way of even communicating that there IS a problem
18:51.07chickenfarmeruntil i stuck a hosts entry in for bzflag.org based on what i found
18:51.18chickenfarmermost people would simply give up and go play xbox, I suppose
18:51.22chickenfarmer.
18:51.57BulletCatcher"192.169.83.30 my.bzflag.org" in your hosts file should work around the problem.
18:52.05chickenfarmerit did
18:52.12chickenfarmerjust checked it and saw list
18:52.19chickenfarmeradded that ip as "forums" and "wiki" as well
18:52.26chickenfarmerassuming they're all the same / hosted by blast
18:52.30blast007yup
18:52.31chickenfarmerspeaking of which
18:52.37chickenfarmerhe's pretty good about responding to me usually
18:52.48chickenfarmerbut i haven't heard from him about increasing the team limit on mw 2.3
18:52.53chickenfarmerfrom 3 players up to ...
18:53.04chickenfarmerany idea or word on why he put that limit in place?
18:53.10chickenfarmerthat's too big a map for 3  player teams
18:53.12blast007I'm not hosting any BZFlag game servers
18:53.21chickenfarmerwe had about 6-7 people observing the other night
18:53.28chickenfarmerah, there's blast
18:53.35chickenfarmerdidn't realize you were talking
18:53.40chickenfarmerwho's hosting mw 2.3 now?
18:53.56blast007doing /owner when there would tell you
18:55.23chickenfarmeryou just get tired of the hassle for a while or you're done period?
18:58.04chickenfarmerweird
18:58.13chickenfarmernow i edit the config.cfg file and put the list server in
18:58.20chickenfarmerand missile wars 2.3 and 4 player don't show up at all
18:58.23chickenfarmermaybe offline for now
18:58.42chickenfarmerso blast, are we losing you as an admin long term, or you're just on a hiatus?
18:58.46blast007<PROTECTED>
18:59.07chickenfarmerwhich killed game servers?
18:59.36blast007<PROTECTED>
18:59.40chickenfarmernp
18:59.44chickenfarmerjust a quick question on that
18:59.56chickenfarmerwould a digital ocean SSD server work ok for a game server?
19:00.04chickenfarmeror other type of HVM VPS?
19:00.26blast007<PROTECTED>
19:00.53chickenfarmerwell, you shouldn't have made the Chinese govt mad at you
19:00.57chickenfarmer;-)
19:01.05chickenfarmer.
19:01.33chickenfarmerwell, if you find that MW and MW 2.3 are lacking a home that's more permanent, keep me in mind, will you?
19:02.05chickenfarmerlike i said earlier, we have about 6-7 people in observer mode just waiting/wanting to play, but the 3 player limit prevented that
19:02.23blast007I fully intend to start hosting again soon-ish, it's just gonna require some creative system architecting.
19:02.34chickenfarmerdid Winny/Winnie ever just allow the map to be hosted without some type of copyright issue?
19:02.42blast007it wasn't his map
19:02.51chickenfarmerhmm
19:02.59blast007ducatiwannabe made the map, WinXP just hosted it
19:03.00chickenfarmerthat's who I thought you pointed me to way back when
19:03.28chickenfarmerso the short question is, does someone have to get explicit permission to host it now?
19:03.37chickenfarmeror could i set up a server with it?
19:03.38blast007yeah, same as always
19:03.53chickenfarmerbut permission from dwb, not winxp
19:03.59blast007right
19:04.35chickenfarmerok
19:04.48chickenfarmerwell, if you guys need any help on the DNS, let me know
19:05.20chickenfarmerI can either provide secondary DNS or help set up an account with OpenSRS/Tucows which provides registrar-level managed DNS
19:05.24chickenfarmerjust let me know
19:05.28chickenfarmergood to see you again
19:05.36BulletCatcherThanks.  Our DNS problems are more political than technical.
19:06.24chickenfarmerheh
19:06.27chickenfarmeras always
19:07.00chickenfarmer$5 gets Tim a digital ocean VPS that can handle all the DNS queries he wants to -- with a higher level of reliability
19:07.03chickenfarmermight be worth mentioning
19:07.16chickenfarmersee you online ...
19:08.05blast007or just using registrar provided DNS that he already gets for free ;)
19:39.06blast007bleh.. can't figure out how to unit test AccessControlList::getBanMaskString(...).  I get linker errors about it not finding getBanMaskString.
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20:47.19echelonwhat's the explanation for why it takes a long time to spawn upon connecting to a server
20:47.43echelonit's happening on 06.bztak.net right now
20:48.04echelonthe player list takes forever as well
20:50.02blast007bzflag.org DNS is 66% offline
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22:17.48bradwhats the IP for m.b.o?
22:18.41blast007192.169.83.30
22:19.17bradty :)
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