| 00:21.24 | jh` | when will be new release of bz? |
| 00:25.39 | blast007 | Constitution: I'll at least start on it and see how far I get. I've started gutting all the functions and replacing it with a single one that passes an int (and then platform code can handle how to do each mode). Or at least that's my thought. |
| 00:26.30 | blast007 | jh`: tentative goal is to get release candidate versions out by the end of the month and the a 2.4.4 release on or around July 31st. |
| 00:27.04 | blast007 | after that, we can focus on the push towards 2.6 |
| 00:49.09 | blast007 | hmm, looks like we forgot to bump the BZ_CONFIG_FILE_VERSION when we added upgrade code for 2.4.0 to 2.4.2 config changes |
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| 01:07.49 | blast007 | looks like there is already a way to enable/disable mouse grab (toggling between 'window' and 'off') with a key, but required manually binding it. /bind e down mousegrab |
| 01:13.43 | blast007 | hmm, and a special cased thing for Windows debug builds to always return false for 'shouldGrabMouse()' :) |
| 01:14.42 | blast007 | there is mouse grab code all over the place... |
| 01:15.40 | blast007 | playing.cxx, clientCommands.cxx, BzfWindow.cxx/h, WinWindow.cxx/h, MainWindow.cxx/h ...... |
| 01:15.50 | jh` | so there still is developing going on := |
| 01:15.54 | jh` | :) |
| 01:16.18 | jh` | few years ago it was like...no sense to develop it etc. |
| 01:16.37 | jh` | forgive me if i talk too straight |
| 01:19.54 | blast007 | there was a definite activity decline for a while |
| 01:24.51 | jh` | how to get more people in da game? thats the question. cos the gameplay is great. visuals are not even close todays standards. |
| 01:26.58 | blast007 | a lot of the goals for 2.6 (at least the list I created from some discussions over the years and from my opinions) are designed to get us to the point where it's easier to get new players |
| 01:27.14 | blast007 | stuff like being able to have tutorials, for instance |
| 01:27.53 | blast007 | the game does not play like a lot of other games, so there's a definite learning curve to start off |
| 01:28.27 | blast007 | and unfortunately there's a big enough part of the player population that is hostile to new players that probably turns some people off to playing |
| 01:29.11 | blast007 | http://wiki.bzflag.org/DevelopmentPlans/2.6.0 |
| 01:32.25 | jh` | well, its nice that you still have spirit to work with the game |
| 01:32.58 | jh` | i know i have played it a lot in the past |
| 01:33.22 | jh` | years |
| 01:33.48 | jh` | i salute you all who work with it |
| 01:34.55 | jh` | keep up the good work |
| 01:35.45 | jh` | i think changing visuals / engine are out of the question? |
| 01:36.46 | blast007 | Changing to a proper engine is a lot of work and has it's own issues (such as running into limitations they have that would require forking the engine to get around) |
| 01:38.01 | blast007 | As for improved visuals, most servers aren't even making use of everything we have as of right now. |
| 01:38.52 | blast007 | But upgrading our visuals is a possibility, sure. It's just not what is necessarily going to get new people to play. |
| 01:43.20 | jh` | people these days are attracted to visuals first |
| 01:44.05 | jh` | if i go play some game and it looks like ...old, i will pass it |
| 01:44.41 | jh` | or atleast i am, cant talk for all |
| 01:46.37 | jh` | if i talk of myself, i play mostly titanfall and single player games these days, because duc league died |
| 01:47.42 | jh` | to be honest i see you trying the impossible |
| 01:48.01 | jh` | and im not wrong often |
| 01:48.34 | blast007 | luckily we're not trying to compete with games like Titanfall :) |
| 01:48.54 | jh` | great btw |
| 01:48.59 | jh` | great game |
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| 01:49.57 | blast007 | probably, but I'm a bit burned out on EA games and also refuse to use Origin |
| 01:51.14 | jh` | i really wish bzflag would go forward for i played it years, its still more than a game to me |
| 01:51.22 | jh` | i made friend there |
| 01:51.27 | jh` | friends |
| 01:52.07 | jh` | and tonite i played also some awsome duc matches, i really enjoyed them |
| 01:52.13 | blast007 | (also, Titanfall sounds like the kind of game that will eventually be made unplayable when EA shuts down the online servers since "non-player activity is offloaded to Microsoft's cloud computing services to optimize local graphical performance") |
| 01:52.50 | jh` | there will be titanfall 2 |
| 01:52.54 | jh` | :P |
| 01:54.04 | jh` | bz is really, really more simple than for example titanfall |
| 01:54.31 | jh` | but sometimes simple is better (not in this case) |
| 01:55.01 | blast007 | they've made a number of my games less useful: http://www.ea.com/1/service-updates |
| 01:55.06 | jh` | simple tactical gameplay is nice sometimes |
| 01:55.14 | blast007 | I like going back to my games years later to play them again |
| 01:56.01 | jh` | you play modern games right? |
| 01:56.33 | blast007 | yes |
| 01:58.09 | jh` | what makes you and allejo for example develop bz? |
| 01:59.13 | jh` | a hobby? |
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| 01:59.42 | blast007 | at this point I've been involved so long I can't imagine *not* working on it :) |
| 02:00.27 | blast007 | but I like open source, and this is something open source that I can help contribute to |
| 02:03.23 | jh` | i have been a coder for 10 years |
| 02:03.43 | jh` | but i dont do it on free time |
| 02:04.04 | jh` | i have enough at work |
| 02:04.11 | jh` | trust me |
| 02:05.11 | jh` | well, people are different i guess |
| 02:06.15 | jh` | but i imagine you dont do a lot for bz... |
| 02:06.24 | jh` | code |
| 02:08.01 | jh` | if you do it for living |
| 02:10.50 | blast007 | yeah, not a lot compared to what a full time (or even part time) code would do |
| 02:11.18 | blast007 | definitely hobbyist levels of coding :) |
| 02:19.25 | jh` | i did once, i think in 1999 a patch in bz |
| 02:19.53 | jh` | it was to sort playerlist by score :P |
| 02:20.22 | jh` | man so long ago |
| 02:21.18 | jh` | or maybe it was 2001 or something |
| 02:21.36 | jh` | i cant remember for sure |
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| 03:34.40 | BulletCatcher | IIRC, the changes in the config file since 2.4.0 are backward and forward compatible, and so it isn't necessary to increment BZ_CONFIG_FILE_VERSION. |
| 03:36.48 | allejo | jh`, for me, I kinda just enjoy it. both my jobs are coding and i do open source stuff on the side. i get bored a lot i guess |
| 03:41.13 | allejo | Constitution, btw if your commit messages contains a # with an issue number, you could close issues directly from a commit |
| 03:41.27 | allejo | https://help.github.com/articles/closing-issues-via-commit-messages/ |
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| 06:03.39 | Constitution | thanks allejo |
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| 07:48.27 | Snake12534 | seriously? your immaturity affects your judgement to determine a reasonable rate |
| 07:53.55 | Constitution | ~ww |
| 07:53.58 | infobot | No, you are just wrong. |
| 07:54.27 | Constitution | oh, nvm |
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| 09:08.59 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15macsforme pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vLV5H |
| 09:08.59 | BZnotify | 13bzflag/062.4 14e4ce2cd 15Joshua Bodine: Workaround for an SDL 2 bug on Mac to prevent the framerate from running away when vsync is set and the window is completely obscured. Fixes #18 for now. |
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| 10:07.17 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: it means that it runs the upgrade step from 2.4.0 to 2.4.2 every time you run 2.4.2 (which isn't a big deal really, but is certainly not how our upgrade code is intended to work) |
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| 10:31.51 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15blast007 pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vLwm9 |
| 10:31.51 | BZnotify | 13bzflag/062.4 145afedb5 15Scott Wichser: Add a TODO to remind ourselves to remove this workaround later. |
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| 19:39.36 | Snake12534 | you're a good example of that, Constitution |
| 19:46.57 | blast007 | Snake12534: what are you even talking about? |
| 19:49.20 | Snake12534 | bzflag |
| 19:49.28 | blast007 | doesn't seem like it |
| 19:50.54 | blast007 | what example were you referring to? |
| 19:51.02 | Snake12534 | http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/02/20/cheapskate-guide-best-in-free-software.html |
| 19:51.08 | Snake12534 | Fox News discussed BZFlag. |
| 19:52.06 | blast007 | what example were you referring to? |
| 19:52.32 | Snake12534 | I'm sorry? |
| 19:52.39 | blast007 | "you're a good example of that" |
| 19:52.50 | blast007 | example of what? |
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