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| 02:01.24 | blast007 | so, revisiting the top two thirds of this: http://infobot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/20140622.html.gz |
| 02:02.13 | blast007 | still sorting by player count, but randomizing the order of servers that have the same number of players amongst themselves |
| 02:03.11 | blast007 | I've got the change written, but do we want it? |
| 02:03.43 | blast007 | the positive side is that it might help cycle some other maps/servers into use again |
| 02:04.13 | blast007 | the negative side is that it may make it harder to find a specific server you want without using the search function |
| 02:05.53 | allejo | not to introduce a new topic, but i've created https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag/issues/7 in hopes we could discuss that in the future |
| 02:06.25 | allejo | how would it make it harder to find a specific server? |
| 02:07.50 | blast007 | allejo: because they'd be in a random order |
| 02:08.12 | allejo | oh so if they all have 0 players, they'd be random? |
| 02:08.16 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:08.34 | blast007 | and if three servers have 8 players, those will be sorted randomly amongst themselves |
| 02:10.07 | allejo | I'd be in favor for it, it'd be a nice change to see available servers towards the top and it'd prevent cheating like 01.bztank.net not to call them out :p |
| 02:10.43 | allejo | as for the search issue, i would think you could still search for the server host so that shouldn't be too big of an issue to find a server if you don't remember the name |
| 02:11.15 | blast007 | that's actually the primary motivation for the change ;) sick of all the 01 and 1 prefixes |
| 02:14.02 | allejo | that always has been an unfair advantage... |
| 02:15.22 | blast007 | also no longer counting observers in the sorting, which has also been a source of unfair advantages ;) |
| 02:16.24 | allejo | what about league servers where everyone is just lurking in obs? |
| 02:17.19 | blast007 | then they can start a fun match ;) |
| 02:17.38 | blast007 | (or it will be a great use for the friend finder we implement later) |
| 02:18.58 | allejo | that's fair |
| 02:22.41 | kierra | :) |
| 02:22.44 | blast007 | Then we can add some in-game mini games, a social wall, and questionable data collection policies! We'll call it TankBook. Or maybe MyTank! Then myTank->getLocation() will no longer return a simple enum value, but highly accurate GPS coordinates! |
| 02:23.46 | allejo | and then we can sell it to Facebook who's desperate to get more people! |
| 02:37.25 | the_map | uninstalls bzflag |
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| 02:45.02 | the_map | goodbye, cruel CGI-generated world! |
| 02:48.07 | Shuist | I was also thinking, it might be nice to have timestamps on messages (or the option for it), is that something that is possible? |
| 02:48.31 | the_map | yeah, I'd like that too |
| 02:48.48 | the_map | hopefully in the relevant time zone :) |
| 02:49.05 | blast007 | the timestamp would be client-generated, so yeah :) |
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| 02:58.27 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15blast007 pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vI1jx |
| 02:58.27 | BZnotify | 13bzflag/062.4 14cdff76f 15Scott Wichser: Do not count observers at all when sorting servers on the list. Additionally, add a randomized value equal to at most half a player so that servers with the same number of players are randomly sorted amongst themselves. This way, servers don't show up at the top just because they start with a number. |
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| 03:12.19 | the_map | how do I get updates from github? |
| 03:12.44 | allejo | define "updates" |
| 03:12.55 | the_map | like the one blast007 just pushed |
| 03:13.52 | the_map | I have a local repo for bzflag, but I got it before the bzflag repo was possibly given a different name |
| 03:14.10 | allejo | you mean like "git pull"? |
| 03:14.23 | allejo | or like email updates saying, "blast pushed this!" |
| 03:14.46 | the_map | I want to be running the latest code |
| 03:16.08 | the_map | I would follow the instructions on the site, but I'm not sure I would be pulling the right code |
| 03:17.03 | allejo | then yea, "git pull origin 2.4" will pull the latest changes to the 2.4 branch from github |
| 03:17.33 | the_map | fatal: Couldn't find remote ref 2.4 |
| 03:24.31 | allejo | are you still using the old origin? |
| 03:24.37 | the_map | I don't know |
| 03:24.49 | the_map | I thought there was some sort of change of source |
| 03:24.58 | allejo | "git remote show origin" |
| 03:24.58 | the_map | how do I find out? |
| 03:25.03 | allejo | and yea there was |
| 03:25.05 | allejo | ~git |
| 03:25.08 | allejo | ~bzgit |
| 03:25.08 | infobot | i guess bzgit is git clone --branch 2.4 https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag.git |
| 03:25.39 | allejo | if your origin says anything other than bzflag.git, then you're using an old repo |
| 03:25.48 | the_map | umm |
| 03:26.01 | the_map | one moment |
| 03:26.45 | the_map | is it just me, or is the CSS on pastebin.com down |
| 03:26.47 | the_map | ? |
| 03:26.54 | allejo | if you don't have anything unique in your check out, just run a clone of the new repo and delete the old one |
| 03:27.12 | allejo | if you're running an ad blocker, then the CSS is borked |
| 03:27.59 | the_map | http://pastebin.com/YeaPr8UU |
| 03:28.16 | the_map | yeah, I have adblock |
| 03:29.07 | the_map | do you think I need to delete my local repo and clone the new one, or can I just update the existing one? |
| 03:31.11 | allejo | if you don't have any custom changes that you don't want to lose, i'd suggest just cloning the new one. it'll make life easier |
| 03:31.31 | the_map | ok |
| 03:31.41 | the_map | I don't have any that I remember |
| 03:32.16 | the_map | or that are relevant |
| 03:33.07 | the_map | actually, I have a clone of your useless mine plugin |
| 03:33.22 | the_map | inside bzflag/plugins/ |
| 03:33.42 | the_map | should I just copy it to somewhere safe, get a clone of bzflag, and copy it back? |
| 03:33.50 | the_map | or will that break something? |
| 03:35.11 | allejo | nah, you just copy it back in there and re add it to the build |
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| 04:08.16 | the_map | allejo++ |
| 04:09.51 | the_map | ~allejo++ |
| 04:10.18 | allejo | :) |
| 04:22.29 | allejo | blast007, can a PingPacket ever actually be NULL? I was under the impression that an object couldn't be null |
| 04:23.56 | allejo | my bad you're not to blame :x |
| 04:24.12 | allejo | but I'm referring to this: https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag/blob/2.4/src/game/ServerItem.cxx#L203 |
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| 04:38.23 | BulletCatcher | I don't see the point of testing for a null address of an object, either. |
| 04:39.00 | BulletCatcher | In this case there is no pointer involved. |
| 04:39.36 | allejo | woo I'm not crazy! |
| 04:40.43 | BulletCatcher | That conclusion doesn't follow. :-p |
| 04:41.19 | allejo | :( |
| 04:52.54 | the_map | the server list was randomized so that players could find new servers, right? |
| 04:53.09 | the_map | out of curiosity, how many people run the latest version of bzflag? |
| 04:53.22 | the_map | or even anything semi-current? |
| 04:55.26 | allejo | not many, the change is intended for a 2.4.4 release |
| 05:21.12 | the_map | with that server list randomization, I can't tell how many servers are occupied, because I used to always use the two tanks laser sniping map to know what the first unoccupied map was |
| 05:24.00 | allejo | that's the mystery behind it! |
| 05:30.27 | allejo | custom permissions can't be displayed case sensitive since they're stored as uppercase; hope that's not an issue |
| 05:31.08 | allejo | internally it doesn't matter since custom permissions are converted to be a single case (which, I don't recall) |
| 05:34.23 | allejo | wait, i may take that back |
| 05:35.06 | allejo | nope |
| 05:47.31 | allejo | https://github.com/blog/967-github-secrets, github supports viewing commits ignoring whitespace fixes |
| 05:48.04 | allejo | could we setup .editorconfig to match DEVINFO and start enforcing it's usage and do a project wide clean up? |
| 05:57.16 | allejo | http://editorconfig.org/#download supports: emacs, vim, sublime, visual studio, xcode, and others so i don't think supporting it would be an issue |
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| 13:48.46 | brad | ~bzgit |
| 13:49.01 | infobot | i heard bzgit is git clone --branch 2.4 https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag.git |
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| 20:09.21 | alezakos | so what happens if someone tries to build bzflag without cpputest installed? |
| 20:14.10 | allejo | it fails |
| 20:14.25 | allejo | Saying cpputest can't be found |
| 20:15.11 | allejo | I believe that's why cpputest was added to the README files so people would have it? |
| 20:19.28 | alezakos | I don't think we should require a library that's just needed for testing |
| 20:19.29 | the_map | yeah, I tried to pull updates from github yesterday and make failed because cpputest wasn't installed |
| 20:21.13 | allejo | agrees |
| 20:21.55 | the_map | yeah, I was asking allejo a lot of questions, mainly "what do I do?" |
| 20:22.39 | alezakos | also, if we are to change the configuration file format for plugins (or even the client config file), I think YAML might be a better option than JSON |
| 20:23.25 | allejo | Bring it up in the issue :D |
| 20:24.15 | blast007 | alezakos: that's just the current situation. Some configure.ac magic is needed to make it detect if CppUTest is available or not |
| 20:24.39 | alezakos | cool |
| 20:24.55 | alezakos | I already had a player ask me about why his build is failing |
| 20:25.18 | blast007 | because he still owes me that $5 |
| 20:25.32 | alezakos | right, I'll tell him that |
| 20:25.36 | blast007 | ;) |
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