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| 06:45.02 | BulletCatcher | Is it worth any effort at all to fix problems with SDL 2.0.3 on Linux? |
| 06:46.00 | BulletCatcher | Beyond the obvious lack of SDL_CaptureMouse() in 2.0.3, which I can comment out, fullscreen mode basically doesn't work at all. |
| 06:46.15 | BulletCatcher | It works reasonably well in windowed mode. |
| 06:48.25 | BulletCatcher | The mouse scroll wheel handing in SDL2Display.cxx is backward from SDL 1, which may be intended as a feature but is an unnecessary incompatability. |
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| 07:29.08 | Constitution | how does fullscreen not work? |
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| 07:37.52 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15macsforme pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vTBPQ |
| 07:37.52 | BZnotify | 13bzflag/062.4 144475523 15Joshua Bodine: Fixed inverted mouse wheel directions in SDL 2 event handler. |
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| 10:09.44 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: 2.0.3 was only mac specific fixes for 2.0.2 |
| 10:20.00 | Constitution | blast007: that last mac build didn't include the SDL 2 framework... could you upload this one instead? http://fairserve.net/~josh/bzflag/BZFlag-2.4.3-20150520.zip |
| 10:21.25 | blast007 | done: http://download.bzflag.org/2.4.3/mac/BZFlag-2.4.3-20150520.zip |
| 10:22.26 | Constitution | thanks |
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| 10:37.40 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15macsforme pushed 2 new commits to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vTR2n |
| 10:37.40 | BZnotify | 13bzflag/062.4 141a0ab19 15Joshua Bodine: Added vertical sync support when building with SDL 2. The "Energy Saver" setting is now Off/FPS Limit/Vertical Sync (backwards compatible with old configs). |
| 10:37.40 | BZnotify | 13bzflag/062.4 144b82d1f 15Joshua Bodine: Added modeltool to the mac build system.... |
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| 10:54.30 | Constitution | I thought I saw that someone had implemented separate size options for the radar and console... anybody know if that was ever committed? |
| 11:01.45 | blast007 | might have been a patch on the SF tracker |
| 11:04.37 | blast007 | or maybe I was thinking of the opacity one: http://sourceforge.net/p/bzflag/patches/507/ |
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| 13:37.16 | alezakos | Constitution: no, that didn't work for me |
| 13:40.24 | alezakos | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.42 | blast007 | looks like your driver went wonky |
| 13:45.38 | blast007 | alezakos: as for the 'mouse is always captured by bzflag with SDL2' issue, that still isn't fixed as Constitution just made it *also* capture it during window creation |
| 13:45.51 | blast007 | still doesn't take into account the 'confine mouse' setting in any way |
| 13:50.48 | blast007 | the old SDLDisplay.cxx has a enableGrabMouse function that turns SDL_WM_GrabInput on or off |
| 13:56.18 | blast007 | there is a SDL_SetRelativeMouseMode(SDL_TRUE); that would require that we track/draw our own cursor |
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| 15:12.49 | BulletCatcher | My question about SDL 2.0.3 on Linux was more one of whether to wait for 2.0.4 before putting much effort into solving problems with it. |
| 15:13.57 | BulletCatcher | Since 2.0.4 hasn't been released, I would have to install it manually to use it. |
| 15:16.46 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: fwiw, Debian Jessie has SDL 2.0.2 and thus, Debian probably won't get have 2.0.4+ until the next major release in a couple years |
| 15:16.56 | blast007 | they do still have 1.x though |
| 15:18.30 | BulletCatcher | Is SDL 2 better than 1 in any way on Linux? |
| 15:18.31 | BulletCatcher | Maybe we should just focus on SDL 2 on the Mac for now. |
| 15:19.49 | BulletCatcher | Windows doesn't use SDL at all, right? |
| 15:20.59 | blast007 | right, Windows uses it's own platform stuffs |
| 15:21.35 | blast007 | I think SDL2 improved joystick support |
| 15:23.26 | blast007 | for instance, you can plug in or unplug a joystick while in a game and it can handle that (with 1.2 you'd have to restart the game) |
| 15:24.54 | blast007 | hmm, though on http://wiki.libsdl.org/MigrationGuide it shows "These events are not normally readable for normal user accounts, so even if joysticks are plugged in you will likely have none detected. This is something that end users will have to configure for themselves." |
| 15:28.16 | blast007 | GLFW is another option for everything except audio |
| 15:28.51 | blast007 | I'd say for 2.4.4 we should just focus on making SDL2 work for Mac OSX, because that's where the real need is |
| 15:30.03 | blast007 | for 2.6 we can look at cleaning up or refactoring our platform code (I believe JeffM once suggested splitting up the platform into modules so that you could use, say, SDL for the window and input and OpenAL for audio) |
| 15:42.00 | BulletCatcher | Full support for SDL 2 only for the Mac, for now, seems like a good plan to me. |
| 15:42.28 | BulletCatcher | That's one less thing for me to worry about most of the time. :-) |
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| 20:12.42 | kemmer | yay for the conversion to git |
| 20:48.52 | Constitution | blast007: "capturing" the mouse with SDL 2 just means to register all movement even if outside the window... "grabbing" the mouse is different, and that functionality is supposedly implemented also, similarly to how we do SDL 1.2 |
| 20:50.09 | Constitution | if we refactored our code to "grab" the mouse whenever confine to mousebox is turned on, we wouldn't need to "capture" it, so that would eliminate our need for that function |
| 20:51.42 | Constitution | I was only able to test SDL 2 on linux in a VM, but it was pretty wonky for me, sometimes offsetting the whole screen a certain from the top while in fullscreen mode, and I couldn't get confine mouse to work at all |
| 20:52.19 | Constitution | it might indeed be best to stick with SDL 1.2 on linux for now... although we would lose out on the vsync stuff I committed earlier |
| 20:52.48 | blast007 | SDL 1.2 has an option for that as well, no? |
| 20:53.20 | Constitution | yes, but it requires re-creation of the window... it's not a toggle you can do any time |
| 20:56.06 | blast007 | ah |
| 21:05.28 | blast007 | but not even Gentoo or Arch linux have a new enough SDL2 to build our SDL2 platform code right now :) |
| 21:05.46 | blast007 | (only because of that function to capture the mouse) |
| 21:05.47 | kemmer | +1 for being able to size the chat box differently than radar |
| 21:06.22 | kemmer | I might like to be able to center the radar box with the mouse box too, and a key binding for varying the opacity |
| 21:06.38 | kemmer | no idea if that would work well |
| 21:07.13 | blast007 | kemmer: I think we have more than enough keybindings as it is ;) already a bit difficult for people who want to use a gamepad |
| 21:07.29 | kemmer | yeah, I know |
| 21:08.40 | kemmer | we need pedals |
| 21:08.46 | kemmer | :P |
| 21:10.12 | kemmer | occasionally I've wanted radar shot lines that show reflection, but I think that'd be a bit cheat-y |
| 21:10.52 | blast007 | the radar is already overpowered :) |
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| 21:37.07 | Constitution | wonders how many people actually play with a gamepad or joystick |
| 21:48.23 | blast007 | Constitution: well, if one or two do, that's a decent percentage of our active playerbase ;) |
| 21:50.06 | Constitution | haha |
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| 22:46.23 | kemmer | heh |
| 22:46.33 | kemmer | I could try it sometime |
| 22:46.36 | kemmer | i suppose |
| 22:46.52 | kemmer | post instructions somewhere |
| 22:47.15 | kemmer | I'd still need a keyboard handy for everything else |
| 22:47.53 | kemmer | I wonder if steering wheel and/or flight sim gear wouldn't work well too |
| 22:48.33 | kemmer | probably not the steering wheel, no, and the flight sim kit would be much like a joystick, but worse |
| 22:48.35 | kemmer | nvm |
| 22:49.02 | kemmer | blast007: the radar may be overpowered, but for evernoobs like me, that's a blessing |
| 22:49.57 | blast007 | wheels wouldn't be great since they're more for precise control, not twitch reactions |
| 22:55.39 | kemmer | anything that requires too much hand movement is out |
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