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| 02:53.02 | allejo | for one, I love the lack of consistency but is there a particular reason why some messages sent to players are a char array formatted with snprintf()? aside from old C habits the original author of this snippet had |
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| 03:41.37 | Not-4e01 | [02bzflag-import-3] 07allejo pushed 031 commit to 03v2_4_x [+0/-0/±1] 13http://git.io/vekAS |
| 03:41.39 | Not-4e01 | [02bzflag-import-3] 07allejo 03159b068 - Custom slash commands to overload built-in ones See issue #17 for discussion in favor of this |
| 03:42.02 | allejo | 2 votes in favor is enough for me :p |
| 03:42.44 | allejo | ~ship |
| 03:42.51 | infobot | ship is, like, test |
| 03:43.07 | allejo | ~ship is <reply> If it builds, it ships! |
| 03:43.07 | infobot | ...but ship is already something else... |
| 03:43.30 | allejo | hmm... before I break it |
| 03:43.54 | allejo | ~ship |
| 03:43.55 | infobot | If it builds, it ships! |
| 03:43.58 | allejo | cool |
| 03:50.06 | BulletCatcher | One of my low-priority todo items is to replace character arrays with std::string to help ensure that there are no overflows we have overlooked. |
| 03:50.49 | allejo | oh thank god |
| 03:51.07 | BulletCatcher | Anyone is welcome to do that. :-) |
| 03:52.08 | BulletCatcher | Most of the time the changes will be very localized and it should be easy to confirm that functionality remains the same. |
| 03:53.57 | allejo | i can create a issue for that, or you can. i'd probably forget other wise |
| 03:54.16 | allejo | btw, sorry for adding another commit. now import 8 isn't in sync :p |
| 03:56.02 | BulletCatcher | Commit away. |
| 03:56.03 | BulletCatcher | I just have to redo the svn-to-git process and push the latest (rebased) commits to import-8. |
| 03:57.59 | BulletCatcher | I'll experiment with the github-issues-import script on the import-7 repo (which is doomed to be deleted anyway). |
| 03:59.03 | allejo | cool :D |
| 04:03.30 | allejo | iirc, someone brought up a 2.4.4 release. i think the nogamma option seems to work on OS X (http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=18654&start=25). that's definitely going to need to be pushed in the next maintenance release |
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| 04:21.22 | allejo | hmm.. what should SlashCommand() return by default if the plugin isn't handling the slashcommand, false? |
| 04:27.47 | allejo | BulletCatcher, on import 8, is master 2.5.x? |
| 05:09.48 | BulletCatcher | yes |
| 05:27.25 | allejo | cool |
| 05:45.21 | BulletCatcher | Also: yes, SlashCommand() should return false if it wants to let the corresponding built-in command have a go at it. |
| 05:46.07 | BulletCatcher | At least, that's the way it works as of your latest commit. |
| 05:49.40 | allejo | I mean at the very end of the SlashCommand(). i.e. I have multiple if statements returning true/false but outside that if statement, the very last fallback, it should return false? |
| 05:49.45 | allejo | just to clarify |
| 05:50.12 | allejo | like in this example: http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=19007 after the last else if, it should return false? |
| 05:56.08 | BulletCatcher | In your example, one of the 3 if statements should always evaluate to true. |
| 05:56.11 | BulletCatcher | Whether to return true or false at the end (which ought to never be executed) would depend on how critical you think your plugin is. |
| 05:57.10 | BulletCatcher | If you registered "ban" and failed to implement it, what would you want bzfs to do? |
| 05:57.15 | BulletCatcher | There is no one right answer. |
| 05:58.24 | allejo | ahhh that makes sense, so to have bzfs as the fallback, SlashCommand() would have to return false |
| 05:58.35 | BulletCatcher | yes |
| 05:59.09 | allejo | ok that makes a lot more sense now, thanks for the clarification :D |
| 05:59.21 | BulletCatcher | Also, custom commands that are different from all of the built-in commands should return true to prevent "Unknown command" messages. |
| 06:00.50 | allejo | right to make sure BZFS doesn't try to execute it as a built-in command |
| 06:02.51 | BulletCatcher | If it doesn't match a built-in command such execution would fail, and then bzfs would do bz_eUnknownSlashCommand. |
| 06:02.52 | BulletCatcher | If *that* comes back false then the player gets "Unknown command". |
| 06:03.28 | BulletCatcher | All that logic is there in parseServerCommand() in commands.cxx. |
| 06:07.17 | allejo | ohh. I kinda have always neglected bz_eUnknownSlashCommand. when you use that instead of SlashCommand()? |
| 06:10.17 | BulletCatcher | bz_eUnknownSlashCommand could invoke a chat bot for free form conversation, I suppose. |
| 06:10.32 | BulletCatcher | /how are you today, bzfs? |
| 06:10.45 | BulletCatcher | SERVER: I am fine, thank you. |
| 06:11.16 | allejo | hmm, never considered that one before lol |
| 06:11.44 | BulletCatcher | But it doesn't seem to have much use in a more structured environment. |
| 06:12.23 | BulletCatcher | SERVER: How about a nice game of BZFlag? |
| 06:14.11 | allejo | hehe it's reassuring when the server of the game you're currently playing is asking if you'd like to play that same game |
| 06:14.42 | BulletCatcher | If it suggests Thermonuclear War, just say no. :-) |
| 06:14.55 | allejo | lol |
| 06:15.01 | allejo | actually got that reference! |
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| 11:34.51 | blast007 | The only way to win is to not play. |
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| 20:45.02 | [Gort] | been running Linux as my only OS for twelve years, but now am using Win8.1 for my sins (new machine; still to install Linux). Anyway, when I installed BZFlag, it creates a desktop shortcut, but can't find any other shortcut (like in Apps and Start). So, is the only shortcut the desktop one? |
| 20:46.03 | [Gort] | BZFlag works fine, just not a fan of desktop icons ;) |
| 20:47.35 | blast007 | Did you scroll down on the start screen? |
| 20:47.55 | [Gort] | yeah. Even search can't seem to find it. |
| 20:48.00 | blast007 | hmm |
| 20:48.18 | [Gort] | do forgive me, I'm sort of unfamiliar with Win8.1. Last Win I used was 2000 |
| 20:48.20 | blast007 | we do create "start menu" shortcuts, but I'm still on Windows 7 here |
| 20:48.48 | blast007 | I'll see if I have a Windows 8 VM |
| 20:48.59 | [Gort] | ty for the effort |
| 20:53.40 | blast007 | setting up a VM as I didn't have one already |
| 20:53.47 | [Gort] | cheers |
| 20:54.31 | [Gort] | it's not a massive deal, the desktop icon starts BZFlag, but I'd rather not use that. I suppose I could try and create a shortcut, but felt it might be a bug (unless I'm blind). |
| 20:55.50 | blast007 | I've certainly not tested the installer on anything newer than 7 :) |
| 20:56.15 | [Gort] | well, seems we're both new to win 8.1 then ;) |
| 20:56.47 | blast007 | I'll be testing on 8, but that should be close enough |
| 21:03.36 | blast007 | hmm, on Windows 8 they show up to the right of the Metro icons |
| 21:06.15 | [Gort] | can't see them here. When I installed bzflag, I did deselect desktop shortcut. Then decided to reinstall when I couldn't find any shortcut. Maybe I need to fully uninstall it and install it again. |
| 21:06.23 | [Gort] | let me do that |
| 21:06.54 | [Gort] | when I reinstalled it, I checked on install shortcut (desktop shortcut shows up). |
| 21:08.10 | blast007 | I do recall that Windows 8.1 had stuff below the metro icons, but I didn't have an 8.1 installer here (just 8) |
| 21:13.08 | [Gort] | just uninstalled it and then reinstalled it. Still doesn't show up for me. Desktop icon does, though. |
| 21:13.24 | blast007 | working on getting an 8.1 VM up |
| 21:13.56 | [Gort] | thanks, but I don't want to cause you too much work for a shortcut. |
| 21:14.43 | blast007 | it's worth having since at some point soon we'd probably release a 2.4.4, and we'd want to test the installer there |
| 21:14.49 | [Gort] | I press the windows button, then get to Start, then click on the down arrow to Apps, but can't find it. Searching doesn't come up with the program, despite the desktop shortcut. |
| 21:19.49 | [Gort] | ah, selected pin to start when right-clicking the shortcut, and it turns up there and on Apps, too. Still, it should do that automatically, I'd have thought. |
| 21:21.31 | [Gort] | * I meant I right-clicked on the desktop shortcut, selected Pin to Start, and now I have icons on Start and Apps (clicking the down arrow). |
| 21:23.38 | [Gort] | even searching for it works now, too |
| 21:23.53 | blast007 | yeah, it *should* make them by default |
| 21:24.15 | blast007 | but that may be broken with our NSIS version or something with our install script |
| 21:24.35 | [Gort] | can you confirm the issue? |
| 21:24.48 | blast007 | the 8.1 install is taking a bit longer than the 8 install since it's installing to a USB hard drive instead of a direct SATA drive :) |
| 21:24.54 | [Gort] | ah, ok |
| 21:40.50 | blast007 | woo, finally to the 8.1 desktop - trying the install :) |
| 21:41.54 | [Gort] | careful now :D |
| 21:42.44 | blast007 | I get shortcuts in the start screen |
| 21:44.09 | [Gort] | is it possible that on my first install, when I told it not to install a shortcut, that caused an issue when I installed it a second time but said to make a shortcut. I noticed that when I just uninstalled it again, after pinning the shortcut I mentioned, that when I again reinstalled, the shortcuts were fine afterwards? |
| 21:44.44 | blast007 | the desktop shortcut is unrelated |
| 21:45.01 | blast007 | I'm even getting the "Start Server" shortcuts |
| 21:45.27 | [Gort] | ah, ok. Hmm... on my first install, I didn't select the server install. |
| 21:45.36 | [Gort] | but subsequent ones I did |
| 21:45.44 | [Gort] | still, doubt that's the issue. |
| 21:46.27 | [Gort] | oh well, maybe it's just me. Sorry if it's a wasted effort. I'm 100% sure that they weren't there initially, but did turn up once I selected Pin to Start. |
| 21:46.48 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/Windows8.1.webm |
| 21:47.11 | blast007 | did they *all* show up, or just the one for the client? |
| 21:48.27 | [Gort] | odd, I only have one shortcut |
| 21:48.32 | [Gort] | yeah, just one for the client |
| 21:49.54 | blast007 | and I'm seeing stuff when I search for "BZFlag" from the main start screen (the client, the bzflag manual, 'browse user data', windowed client, and the original installer) |
| 21:50.17 | [Gort] | yeah, just getting one item when I search (the client) |
| 21:50.26 | blast007 | maybe your OEM somehow managed to screw up your start screen :P |
| 21:50.35 | [Gort] | heh... possibly |
| 21:50.56 | blast007 | always wipes and reinstalls from clean Windows media |
| 21:51.38 | blast007 | now of course, I didn't install any updates to Windows, so it could be some update that messes with it |
| 21:51.44 | [Gort] | tomorrow I'll be installing Linux and returning to known ground. I'll keep Win8.1 as a curiosity and a fallback. |
| 21:51.53 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:51.54 | [Gort] | well, this install is fully updated |
| 21:52.11 | blast007 | yeah, mine was stock/bare install |
| 21:52.14 | [Gort] | took a while yesterday. |
| 21:53.20 | blast007 | in any case, I'd recommend using this build instead: http://download.bzflag.org/2.4.3/windows/bzflag-2.4.3-20140403_32Bit.exe |
| 21:53.53 | blast007 | has some bug fixes (including a crash bug that can be remotely triggered on outdated servers) |
| 21:54.03 | [Gort] | OK. When's 2.4.4 coming out? |
| 21:54.23 | [Gort] | I mean when's it expected... I know, it's ready when it's ready ;) |
| 21:55.16 | [Gort] | always found bzflag, at least on Linux, rock solid. I don't remember the last crash I've had on it. |
| 21:55.18 | blast007 | it'll be out by Christmas (though we're not yet sure which Christmas) |
| 21:55.23 | [Gort] | lol |
| 21:55.31 | [Gort] | Dear Santa... |
| 21:56.23 | blast007 | I would think we could realisticly have it out by Summer. The main thing we need to do is fix some issues with OSX. |
| 21:56.57 | blast007 | 2.4.2 is a bit crashy on newer versions of OSX |
| 21:57.25 | blast007 | and by a bit I mean a lot (probably depending on what GPU they got) :) |
| 21:57.34 | [Gort] | ouch |
| 21:58.17 | blast007 | OSX has been rather notorious for poor graphics driver quality |
| 21:58.44 | blast007 | though to be fair, we do target a very old version of OpenGL |
| 21:58.57 | [Gort] | "it just works" springs to mind (I know, just jesting). |
| 21:59.47 | [Gort] | it's odd that OSX graphics are poor, seeing that Apple and graphics are meant to go hand in hand. |
| 21:59.58 | blast007 | yeah.. and I remember when Oregon Trail would take down the whole system in OS7 (or maybe it was 9) :P |
| 22:00.04 | [Gort] | I mean, in the past, graphic work was their forte |
| 22:00.45 | blast007 | was 3D graphics work their thing? 2D, sure. |
| 22:06.00 | [Gort] | not sure about cad work and the like on Macs. Still, it's odd that they're a bit lacking on graphic drivers, considering their rep. |
| 22:10.24 | blast007 | from what I understand, you can't manually update your graphics drivers on OSX meaning you're stuck with whatever apple gives you |
| 22:12.17 | [Gort] | if that's true, then that's shocking. I would never want a machine that I can't update. Windows and Linux have that "luxury" of updating such drivers. Still, I don't really know too much about OSX bar the usual info. |
| 22:13.38 | [Gort] | probably the walled garden has really high walls and guards with dogs and minefields. |
| 22:18.34 | blast007 | the driver updates have to be released by Apple |
| 22:45.24 | [Gort] | just one thing about the conversation above about the shortcuts, when I installed firefox, hexchat and vim, the shortcuts did turn up in Start and Apps. Still, as you said, it works for you and it might be something about my OEM's tinkering with the desktop. Anyway, off to walk the dog. BBL. |
| 22:51.06 | blast007 | the OEM thing was a half-joke.. not sure if they'd be able to screw up something as core to the OS as that |
| 22:56.06 | blast007 | hmm... this might be related.. seems the start menu shortcuts are ending up in the local user files (%APPDATA%\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs) instead of the system-wide files (C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs) |
| 22:57.09 | blast007 | so I imagine that means if I switch users I won't see it, and it also probably means that if I install from a limited user account and elevate to admin using a different user that I wouldn't get the shortcuts either |
| 22:57.45 | blast007 | the desktop icon, on the other hand, gets put in to the Public user profile, so it shows up for everyone |
| 22:58.25 | blast007 | so, it's indeed a bug with our installer |
| 22:59.51 | blast007 | same thing happens on Windows 7 too |
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| 23:10.33 | [Gort] | ah, I'm running as a standard user, and installed bz with run as admin to install. Glad it wasn't just me. :D |
| 23:24.13 | [Gort] | btw, I can confirm that there are no bzflag entries in C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs |
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| 23:38.20 | blast007 | yeah, it's probably been an issue for years and years |