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| 21:02.49 | JeffM | blast007, how much do certs cost these days? |
| 21:03.33 | blast007 | not that much, but it depends what kind |
| 21:03.48 | JeffM | tens of dollars? hundreds? |
| 21:04.14 | blast007 | there's multi-domain and wildcard that cost more |
| 21:04.20 | JeffM | ahh |
| 21:04.32 | blast007 | I'd have to research the advantages of those versus just getting a cheap one per domain |
| 21:04.46 | blast007 | (or disadvantages) |
| 21:05.12 | JeffM | like them not working in IE3 or something |
| 21:05.13 | blast007 | also, Windows XP's HTTP client lacks SNI support |
| 21:05.16 | JeffM | or was the cookies? |
| 21:06.24 | JeffM | would you want SSL for all the sites or just something like secure.bzflag.com that does auth |
| 21:06.43 | JeffM | I can understand SSL for auth, I don't think we need to worry about man in the middle for forum posts :) |
| 21:06.45 | blast007 | so on XP, we'd either have to link libcurl against OpenSSL, or we'd have to do an IP per HTTPS vhost |
| 21:07.00 | JeffM | or desupport XP |
| 21:07.03 | blast007 | I'd probably do it all |
| 21:07.15 | blast007 | I don't want to desupport XP for 2.6 |
| 21:07.28 | JeffM | you should have said that |
| 21:07.37 | JeffM | that means I can't threads |
| 21:07.38 | blast007 | we would need to majorly increase our player count before we can drop XP |
| 21:07.45 | JeffM | 2013 == no XP |
| 21:07.49 | blast007 | hrm |
| 21:08.06 | JeffM | it ain't got no runtimes |
| 21:08.17 | JeffM | soon it may be no 32 bit too |
| 21:09.11 | JeffM | I can work within the limits of supporting XP by using 2010 but it's much more limiting |
| 21:09.40 | JeffM | the product will be worse off for it |
| 21:10.35 | blast007 | the Visual C++ 2013 runtimes say they support XP |
| 21:10.36 | JeffM | like picking a thread lib and adding a dependency, or continuing to roll our own like we do now |
| 21:10.48 | JeffM | really? |
| 21:10.50 | blast007 | yep |
| 21:10.53 | JeffM | hmm |
| 21:10.54 | blast007 | http://www.microsoft.com/en-US/download/details.aspx?id=40784 |
| 21:11.01 | JeffM | what about .net 4.5? |
| 21:11.20 | blast007 | Vista+ |
| 21:11.49 | JeffM | hmm so mixed mode would be a pain for the http stuff |
| 21:12.13 | blast007 | .net 4.0 supports XP SP3 |
| 21:12.29 | JeffM | yeah that means using VC 2012 not 13 |
| 21:12.39 | JeffM | or I make a pure wraper |
| 21:12.47 | JeffM | still a pain |
| 21:12.55 | JeffM | I'll have to ponder |
| 21:13.01 | blast007 | or we keep using curl for now |
| 21:13.03 | JeffM | but that will defenatly change some choices |
| 21:13.10 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:13.17 | JeffM | and make windows harder to build then it is now |
| 21:13.24 | JeffM | but nobody does that anyway |
| 21:13.32 | blast007 | harder? |
| 21:14.00 | JeffM | you won't ship curl in the source package, you will have to download a bin pack |
| 21:14.13 | JeffM | I'm really trying to make it so we don't need any non windows dependencies |
| 21:14.58 | JeffM | also curl means no proxy support, and other stuff that is builtin |
| 21:15.09 | JeffM | but that may not be that big of deal |
| 21:15.23 | blast007 | you sure it wouldn't do proxy support if it uses the native Windows HTTP stuff? |
| 21:15.37 | JeffM | it'd do whatever IE was configured as |
| 21:15.51 | JeffM | and that can be configured as part of a domain policcy |
| 21:15.54 | JeffM | so it'd pick it up |
| 21:16.05 | blast007 | that was how I was configuring curl.. using that native Windows HTTP stuff |
| 21:16.14 | JeffM | well native is the wrong term |
| 21:16.19 | JeffM | this would be the managed .net stuff |
| 21:16.22 | JeffM | it's a little different |
| 21:16.38 | JeffM | IIRC the curl connects via the com stuff |
| 21:16.45 | JeffM | but maybe we pick that up now |
| 21:16.52 | JeffM | I don't have a proxy server to test with |
| 21:17.12 | JeffM | but just as long as I know that you want to keep XP I can keep that in mind |
| 21:17.20 | JeffM | it's all solveable |
| 21:17.52 | JeffM | can we currently tell how many XP clients we have? |
| 21:23.12 | blast007 | nope |
| 21:24.00 | blast007 | build string only shows which compiler built it |
| 21:24.11 | JeffM | fun |
| 21:24.25 | blast007 | ah, website stats might give a very rough idea |
| 21:25.35 | JeffM | better then nothin |
| 22:03.44 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/stats/os_2014.png |
| 22:09.16 | JeffM | windows NT.. WTF? |
| 22:09.27 | JeffM | 98? |
| 22:09.36 | JeffM | whats the timeframe on that? |
| 22:09.54 | JeffM | and what is "bounce rate"? |
| 22:14.15 | blast007 | that was from the start of 2014 |
| 22:15.25 | blast007 | bounce rate is the percentage of visits that had only a single page view |
| 22:17.13 | JeffM | ahh |
| 22:17.53 | blast007 | but I'm not sure if that counts clicking on the wiki or forum links.. it probably does count that as a "bounce" |
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