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| 00:37.46 | Will13 | theres not a way to be signed in as admin without having the @ displayed is there? |
| 00:38.34 | delusional | there is, but you don't have the plugin |
| 00:39.21 | Will13 | ahh bummer i need the plugin |
| 00:39.58 | Will13 | theres a guy who ive noticed is trolling on multiple servers and hes pissin everyone off - id’ like to make sure i ban him so he doesnt get back on but havent done it before so afraid hell leave before i figure it out |
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| 06:43.06 | blast007 | Will13: http://bzexcess.com/category/bztips/ http://wiki.bzflag.org/Setting_up_a_group_file |
| 06:44.59 | blast007 | Will13: and hiding the @ does not require a plugin. There is a HIDEADMIN permission you can assign to your group in your groupdb. |
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| 13:29.09 | will | blast007: thank you |
| 13:29.15 | will | that guy seemed to keep steering me wrong |
| 13:31.51 | blast007 | there *is* a hiddenAdmin plugin bundled, but I don't think that's often used as it disables the @ for everyone instead of letting you control it per group |
| 13:32.13 | will | im reading up on the group permissions now |
| 13:32.52 | blast007 | global groups get requested in a certain thread on the forums, and after created, you can add users to the groups |
| 13:33.06 | will | Yeah I saw that |
| 13:33.17 | will | I am trying to figure out what all of them mean.. i.e.e cop, admin, etc |
| 13:33.20 | blast007 | ties in with global authentication then, and you can assign those groups permissions in your groupdb file |
| 13:33.29 | blast007 | cop and admin are whatever you want them to be |
| 13:33.53 | blast007 | they're just the name of the group |
| 13:33.56 | will | Well, I am just going to have myself running server and then a couple of other guys as I see fit |
| 13:34.37 | will | ok.. i just see people requesting all the same stuff like cop, minicop, admin, hide |
| 13:34.53 | blast007 | yeah, that's common group levels |
| 13:35.10 | will | is there not a list of these? |
| 13:35.20 | blast007 | a list of what? group names? |
| 13:35.38 | will | im just confused as to what I need |
| 13:36.03 | will | I guess I don’t understand what each one does |
| 13:36.15 | blast007 | admins generally have more permissions than cops |
| 13:36.29 | blast007 | but again, they don't DO anything on their own. YOU decide what they can do. |
| 13:36.41 | will | ok so admin and cop would probably be sufficient? |
| 13:36.54 | will | What do the “hide” refer to? |
| 13:37.07 | blast007 | hidden admin groups, probably |
| 13:37.37 | will | I can’t seem to find a list of what each are for |
| 13:37.41 | blast007 | sometimes admins have the server owner put one of their alternate accounts in the hidden admin group so they can monitor |
| 13:38.05 | blast007 | why do you expect that there would be a list? it's completely freeform. |
| 13:38.22 | blast007 | you could call your group something.dingus and something.wingus |
| 13:39.08 | will | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.12 | will | it’s just for identification |
| 13:39.18 | blast007 | exactly |
| 13:39.28 | blast007 | YOU decide what permissions each group gets |
| 13:39.30 | will | Ok - it just said use the standard convention - but i dont see a list |
| 13:39.39 | will | Do i need a group for general players? |
| 13:39.42 | will | or just for @ |
| 13:40.32 | blast007 | the standard convention is referring to the characters, so, two uppercase strings with no whitespace and a period joining them |
| 13:40.49 | blast007 | there are built-in groups in bzfs for normal players |
| 13:40.58 | blast007 | so you only need them for special groups like admins |
| 13:41.03 | will | OK |
| 13:41.19 | will | so in theory probably just need a group for me, and for the admins i want to help |
| 13:41.38 | blast007 | yeah |
| 13:41.53 | blast007 | or maybe even just an admins group |
| 13:42.08 | will | well..if i want to not show my @ sign.. wouldn’t I have to make myself a group for that? |
| 13:42.33 | blast007 | sure |
| 13:42.47 | will | I wonder if that’s what the .HIDDEN is for |
| 13:43.02 | blast007 | probably ;) |
| 13:43.11 | blast007 | I generally don't hide my @ |
| 13:43.23 | will | so I guess I could have a second account that I assign to hidden so I could spy if needed |
| 13:43.29 | blast007 | right |
| 13:43.51 | will | got it |
| 13:43.53 | blast007 | or just have another account not in any group and then switch to your admin when you want to ban |
| 13:43.53 | will | just requested them |
| 13:44.00 | will | true |
| 13:44.06 | blast007 | if you ban as a hidden admin, you're not very hidden anymore ;) |
| 13:44.07 | will | i did owner, admin, cop, hidden just to have options :P |
| 13:44.14 | blast007 | k |
| 13:44.18 | will | true but hopefully wont have to |
| 13:44.37 | will | I think I might make the server for registered people only - the unregistered seem to be problem childs anyways |
| 13:45.05 | blast007 | you can try, but usually a death sentence for servers |
| 13:45.40 | will | yeah figured so |
| 13:45.58 | will | although everytime i came in yesterday when there was 15-20 people i would say 85% were registered |
| 13:46.04 | blast007 | http://wiki.bzflag.org/Sample_Group_File |
| 13:46.45 | blast007 | covers built-in groups like EVERYONE and VERIFIED |
| 13:48.14 | will | got it |
| 13:48.21 | blast007 | if you want to check the default permissions for those two groups, you could look at src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx inside the initGroups function |
| 13:48.50 | will | ok |
| 13:48.58 | will | I think i got it - ill just wait til the groups are made |
| 13:49.19 | blast007 | k |
| 13:55.13 | will | What are the sequential numbers by a players name on my server? eventually they disappear - I assume its something from OpenFFA? |
| 13:55.21 | will | a couple people asked and I had no idea |
| 15:03.57 | will | how can I view other users direct messages? |
| 15:15.02 | tw1sted | youll need to setup a log file |
| 15:15.47 | tw1sted | otherwise i believe all logs are just printed to stdout |
| 15:17.04 | tw1sted | this is how i do it: bzfs -conf /path/to/conf/file.conf >> /path/to/log/file.txt |
| 15:17.57 | will | oh ok no way to do in game? |
| 15:19.39 | tw1sted | nope |
| 15:20.17 | WarPig | will: I've tried to connect to your server a couple of times this morning, and cannot. I get 'Error connecting to server' |
| 15:20.27 | WarPig | ...same as yesterday |
| 15:22.07 | blast007 | will: the number by names is the player slot number. for the most part, you can just ignore that. Some people use it to ban/kick a user by a number instead of having to type in a name, but I recommend not doing that because it's much easier to fat finger a number than a name ;) |
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| 16:11.01 | will | WarPig: really? |
| 16:11.09 | will | the servers been pretty full since i started it |
| 16:13.13 | will | try connecting from server list now currently #3 listed server - Will’s Paradise |
| 16:20.34 | WarPig | Yeah... I can't connect. Might be something on my end, I suppose. |
| 16:20.56 | blast007 | traceroute would help diagnose that |
| 16:21.31 | will | ummm |
| 16:21.39 | will | i juist had like 12 people with some form of “ethan” join |
| 16:21.55 | will | what on earth? |
| 16:22.11 | blast007 | bots |
| 16:22.13 | WarPig | They joined with bots. You need to disable that. |
| 16:22.20 | will | whats the command? |
| 16:22.21 | blast007 | -set _diableBots 1 |
| 16:22.31 | will | can i do that in game? |
| 16:22.32 | blast007 | and you can add that in-game via /set _disableBots 1 |
| 16:22.38 | blast007 | (but it won't save for next time) |
| 16:22.42 | will | thats ok ill remember |
| 16:22.46 | will | but will it kick the bots? |
| 16:23.02 | blast007 | it will prevent bots from joining, at least |
| 16:23.03 | will | shit i forgot the / and just gave my password to everyone in game |
| 16:23.06 | blast007 | dunno if it will kick existing ones |
| 16:23.12 | blast007 | please watch the language here |
| 16:23.26 | blast007 | well, time to shut the server down and change the password then |
| 16:23.33 | will | man it’s full :( |
| 16:23.36 | blast007 | ;) |
| 16:23.42 | WarPig | OpenDNS has your domain flagged as 'Parked Domain'. That's why I can't connect. I can whitelist it for my network, but you should probably fix it. |
| 16:23.48 | will | try the IP warpig |
| 16:23.49 | will | 162.213.195.198 |
| 16:24.06 | will | not sure why everyone else can connect :/ |
| 16:24.12 | will | im pretty sure im using openDNS |
| 16:24.14 | blast007 | WarPig: does it have the exact hostname flagged, or the base domain? the base domain is part of a dynamic DNS provider. |
| 16:24.15 | will | maybe I switched to google |
| 16:24.43 | WarPig | It's the exact hostname |
| 16:24.51 | blast007 | weird |
| 16:24.54 | will | i just made it |
| 16:24.57 | will | can you connect with IP |
| 16:25.03 | will | yeah i guess i have to kick bots one by one |
| 16:25.14 | blast007 | will: kick the person without the numbers by their name.. |
| 16:25.19 | blast007 | that's the actual player |
| 16:25.31 | blast007 | if he leaves, the bots will follow |
| 16:25.35 | will | yeah i just figured that out :P |
| 16:26.00 | will | except his name is ethan2 |
| 16:26.04 | will | everything else was ethan20# |
| 16:26.07 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:26.21 | will | noones logged in as admin yet so im going to wait til server dies to change pass :P |
| 16:27.05 | blast007 | once you have groups working, you can ditch the local password setting. |
| 16:27.13 | will | good |
| 16:27.20 | will | still waiting on them to set it up |
| 16:27.41 | blast007 | "them" includes me, but I'm at work right now ;) |
| 16:28.17 | will | :P |
| 16:28.21 | will | im in no rush |
| 16:28.31 | will | WarPig: were you able to connect via IP? |
| 16:29.09 | WarPig | blast007: Can he use already established groups to add some good established admins? |
| 16:29.15 | WarPig | Yes I was |
| 16:30.45 | will | ive already found a couple admins just from how ive seen them act in game |
| 16:31.30 | WarPig | Be careful with that. |
| 16:32.14 | WarPig | Everybody wants to be an admin, but few understand the goals. |
| 16:33.35 | WarPig | ...and the way they behave while you are there with your @ may be very different from how they behave with no @ present. |
| 16:45.29 | will | yeah i know |
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| 17:00.40 | blast007 | and yeah, he could use already established groups |
| 17:13.44 | BulletCatcher | I recommend giving cop/admin privileges to the EXCESSIVEBZ.ADMIN group, which blast007 does a fine job of maintaining. |
| 17:17.27 | BulletCatcher | You-know-who is too modest to recommend that group himself, which is one of the reasons to use it. |
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| 17:40.43 | WarPig | BulletCatcher +1 <-- what HE said. |
| 17:47.12 | will | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.32 | WarPig | Also, if you intend your server to run 24/7, some international admins would be advisable so you can have admins present when they are playing in the different time zones. Again, some good groups already exist. |
| 17:57.14 | WarPig | Your server, your rules. Just a suggestion. |
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