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| 05:27.36 | apeman2 | How might two clients on autopilot (roger) communicate with each other? |
| 05:28.30 | JeffM | like with moded clients? |
| 05:28.34 | apeman2 | yes |
| 05:29.07 | apeman2 | and the server can help them, if it can |
| 05:30.10 | JeffM | it can't |
| 05:30.19 | JeffM | chat messages would be all you really have |
| 05:30.32 | JeffM | there arn't any messages for AI controll that the server would know about |
| 05:31.22 | apeman2 | it seems messy passing messages on to the autopilot |
| 05:32.52 | apeman2 | the clients are running on the same system |
| 05:34.09 | JeffM | you want a clean way for a system that doesn't exist? |
| 05:34.21 | JeffM | you could have your clients open sockets between themselves |
| 05:34.43 | JeffM | or use some other inter-application messaging system on your client OS |
| 05:34.49 | apeman2 | i dont care about clean, just easy |
| 05:35.03 | JeffM | but we don't have a way for clients to send arbitary data between them |
| 05:35.08 | apeman2 | unfortunately im testing on windows and deploying on linux |
| 05:35.15 | JeffM | easy is relative to your skillset |
| 05:35.50 | apeman2 | i mean easy as in not hacking through multiple layers of the client |
| 05:36.05 | JeffM | well you are already hacking up the client :) |
| 05:36.18 | apeman2 | communicating through files would be easy |
| 05:36.25 | JeffM | then do that |
| 05:36.30 | JeffM | and solve all the problems that has |
| 05:36.40 | JeffM | it's whatever works betst for you |
| 05:36.46 | JeffM | since we got nothin for it |
| 05:36.57 | JeffM | it's your own custom thing anyway |
| 05:37.21 | apeman2 | just confirming im not missing something |
| 05:37.38 | JeffM | there would be no reason for us to have a system like that |
| 05:38.29 | apeman2 | i actually only need to transmit an event |
| 05:39.00 | apeman2 | was thinking about server like if a server variable was set to False when no event then True for a moment when theres an event |
| 05:39.19 | JeffM | huh? |
| 05:40.13 | apeman2 | My sitution is like this. Client A needs to tell Client B "HELLO" every once in a while. |
| 05:40.41 | JeffM | sure |
| 05:40.49 | JeffM | I'd do it with a private chat message |
| 05:40.54 | JeffM | text is easy to parse |
| 05:42.15 | DTRemenak | with clients on the same system, just use pipes. they're about as trivial as IPC gets, cross-platform, and delay-free. |
| 05:42.22 | apeman2 | i suppose its not as bad as i thought it was |
| 05:42.46 | JeffM | yeah each OS has several methods available to it |
| 05:42.48 | apeman2 | DTRemenak: which pipes are crossplatform? |
| 05:42.56 | DTRemenak | ordinary anonymous pieps |
| 05:43.17 | JeffM | Window Messages FTW! |
| 05:43.18 | apeman2 | you mean unix/linux pipes? |
| 05:43.26 | DTRemenak | windows has them too |
| 05:44.06 | apeman2 | i dont think they are compatible with linux |
| 05:44.07 | JeffM | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365141%28v=vs.85%29.aspx |
| 05:45.02 | JeffM | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb546102%28v=vs.110%29.aspx |
| 05:45.20 | JeffM | oh sorry that last one was for managed code |
| 05:45.25 | JeffM | that won't help you |
| 05:45.29 | apeman2 | when you say cross-platform i was hoping you meant i could use the same code and it work on both linux and windows :P |
| 05:46.01 | DTRemenak | just simple wrapper stuff. _pipe() instead of pipe(). |
| 05:47.08 | JeffM | string in chat messages, all to further the abbuse of Tokenize :) |
| 05:47.58 | DTRemenak | yeah, if time is not important and there's not a lot of volume, hijacking text messages is a pretty simple solution. And doesn't require you to be on the same client machine. |
| 05:48.31 | JeffM | it's be simple to send a "I am a robot" private message, then a client would know who's a cylon |
| 05:48.37 | JeffM | then just send over text |
| 05:48.57 | JeffM | on the client you just then look for messages from known robots and parse them |
| 05:49.21 | JeffM | and a private message won't show up in everyone's chat |
| 05:49.22 | DTRemenak | just be aware that your game states will be out of sync by quite a bit, depending what you're trying to communicate. text messages can be delayed relative to state messages (since they're TCP, iirc) |
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| 13:11.51 | Constitution | is ohloh broken? http://www.ohloh.net/p/bzflag/enlistments |
| 13:12.20 | blast007 | yeah, I think we have to contact them to fix it |
| 13:12.51 | blast007 | I had both the v2_4_x and the v2_6_x in there at one point, and the v2_4_x was working but the v2_6_x was stuck |
| 13:13.04 | blast007 | was hoping that removing the 2.4 would make the 2.6 work, but nope.. |
| 13:19.40 | Constitution | it appears that about half of our SLoC count is from src/other |
| 13:21.01 | blast007 | the ohloh enlistments are configured to ignore src/other/ |
| 13:22.12 | Constitution | I just ran the perl cloc tool over it and it gave about 350k sloc for the whole thing and 180k when ignoring src/other, assuming I configured it correctly |
| 13:22.14 | blast007 | at least for the SVN enlistment.. dunno if the 2.6 one has that added yet |
| 13:26.04 | Constitution | ponders the relatively high sloc count and starts looking for secret NSA backdoors |
| 13:27.00 | blast007 | backdoors are so 2013. we added frontdoors. |
| 13:27.25 | Constitution | nevermind? warzone2100 is about 800k lines |
| 13:28.45 | Constitution | I guess at their highest they were over 2 million |
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| 17:19.12 | english_nick | Anyone ever get this error during bzflag compile? ../lib/.libs/libcurl.a(ssluse.o): In function `ossl_connect_common': |
| 17:19.12 | english_nick | ssluse.c:(.text+0x2926): undefined reference to `SSLv2_client_method' |
| 17:19.12 | english_nick | collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 17:19.25 | blast007 | what platform are you building on? |
| 17:19.28 | english_nick | not many entries on the internets about it |
| 17:19.35 | english_nick | Ubuntu 13.10, 64 bit. |
| 17:20.44 | blast007 | and which version of the code are you using? (and if from a repository, which repo?) |
| 17:21.57 | english_nick | 2.4.2 and got it from the bzflag.org site. |
| 17:22.06 | english_nick | download source |
| 17:22.14 | english_nick | didn't do the svn thing |
| 17:22.24 | blast007 | we're using git now as well |
| 17:22.39 | blast007 | Ubuntu 13.10 probably already has the 2.4.2 version available |
| 17:23.05 | english_nick | hmm ok... was wanting source |
| 17:23.08 | english_nick | but no biggie |
| 17:23.33 | blast007 | well, reading and some development knowledge is going to be required for building from source |
| 17:23.57 | english_nick | sure. i have done it before with no issues |
| 17:24.21 | blast007 | the 'reading' bit was a hint as well ;) |
| 17:24.47 | blast007 | like, maybe a linux specific readme file ;) hint hint |
| 17:26.40 | english_nick | ;) |
| 17:26.44 | blast007 | are you just wanting the server part, or the client as well? |
| 17:44.25 | BulletCatcher | It should build successfully if you install the packages listed in the README.Linix file. |
| 17:46.17 | blast007 | yeah, and my reason for asking is that some of the packages are only needed if you intend to build the graphical client, and installing them on a headless system could potentially bring in a bit of excess packages |
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| 18:08.02 | english_nick | thanks much blast007 for the reminder |
| 18:08.23 | JeffM | didn't we fix that ssl issue in the current code? |
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| 18:31.56 | english_nick | yup JeffM it appears to be fixed. make distclean did the trick for me after adding all the Ubuntu dev packages needed. |
| 18:38.08 | blast007 | that likely didn't do what he wanted.. needs to run ./configure again to get it to pick up all the system stuff |
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| 19:48.07 | JeffM | anyone want a steam code for RPGMaker VX Ace? |
| 19:51.19 | english_nick | sure mate ;) |
| 19:53.45 | JeffM | https://www.humblebundle.com/gift?key=dwattEsKza4NVEnh |
| 19:54.46 | english_nick | ty sir! |
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