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| 17:50.10 | blast007 | JeffM: do you know offhand if there's any command-line way to upgrade a .dsw to a modern .sln? |
| 17:50.36 | JeffM | without opening it? |
| 17:51.25 | blast007 | was hoping for an automated way, but so far everything I've found just points to using the conversion wizard in Visual Studio by opening the .dsw |
| 17:51.46 | JeffM | yeah you have to open it |
| 17:51.52 | blast007 | k, not a big deal |
| 17:52.04 | JeffM | you can open it via command line but it still opens |
| 17:52.58 | JeffM | and I don't think msbuild takes dsw files |
| 17:53.56 | blast007 | yeah, think I had tried that |
| 17:54.07 | blast007 | I'll just bundle an updated .sln and project for enet with the bzflag-dependencies |
| 17:54.54 | JeffM | so what enviornment variable did you pick for the dependencies? |
| 17:55.50 | blast007 | wasn't gonna have one at all. I was just gonna have the developer create a 'deps' directory within their source tree and put the binaries/headers there |
| 17:55.59 | JeffM | eww |
| 17:56.03 | JeffM | but ok |
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| 17:56.50 | blast007 | well, otherwise we may have an environment variable for each major version of the game as we change deps |
| 17:57.23 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:57.37 | JeffM | but you are making me have to dupe the dependecies for every branch/fork |
| 17:57.46 | JeffM | but there is no 'easy' way to do it |
| 17:58.45 | blast007 | symbolic links ;) |
| 17:59.47 | JeffM | are hard to do |
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| 18:01.32 | blast007 | mklink /d c:\SourceCode\bzflag-import-3\deps c:\SourceCode\bzflag-dependencies\output\ |
| 18:02.14 | blast007 | though I've not tested that to see if it works ;) |
| 18:02.32 | JeffM | no thanks |
| 18:02.55 | JeffM | I'd rather keep src/other then have to do a command line thing before you build on windows |
| 18:03.18 | blast007 | I'll look at doing environment variables |
| 18:03.31 | JeffM | it's the most common way of handling it |
| 18:03.43 | blast007 | need to redo the changes to the VC projects anyways as we upgraded |
| 18:03.49 | JeffM | and what people do usualy is one environmnet variable per lib, not for all deps |
| 18:04.01 | blast007 | hm.. |
| 18:04.21 | JeffM | and then you ship a batch or reg file that adds the environments as needed |
| 18:04.53 | blast007 | it's all gonna be the same though |
| 18:05.28 | JeffM | if all you do is develop bzflag, maybe |
| 18:05.34 | JeffM | but If I have 2 projects that use ares, no |
| 18:05.36 | blast007 | all the libs/dlls/headers output to an 'output' directory |
| 18:05.43 | JeffM | eww |
| 18:05.45 | blast007 | well, right, but I'm talking about BZFlag ;) |
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| 18:06.00 | blast007 | why 'eww'? |
| 18:06.13 | JeffM | because then it's all mixed up and I can't cleanly upgrade one over the other |
| 18:06.24 | JeffM | what are you saving by doing that and not just checking it in? |
| 18:06.27 | JeffM | space? |
| 18:06.37 | blast007 | they get grouped into the usual 'lib', 'bin', and 'include' |
| 18:06.44 | blast007 | checking what in? |
| 18:07.03 | JeffM | this dependecy package? |
| 18:07.08 | JeffM | what is wrong with src/other? |
| 18:07.36 | JeffM | I don't like the fact that we use third party libs for things that windows can do, but I don't mind having all the code in one place for what we do need |
| 18:07.39 | blast007 | the fact that most linux distros then have to repack our source to remove src/other/ and then clean up our configure script every release |
| 18:07.47 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:07.55 | JeffM | ok so for the 12% |
| 18:07.55 | JeffM | k |
| 18:08.01 | blast007 | well, at least Debian does for sure, and I'm assuming others may as well |
| 18:08.38 | JeffM | then maybe we make a windows source zip that has the dependencies built in |
| 18:08.53 | JeffM | as for enet, I have a feling we'll be using a patched one anyway |
| 18:09.28 | blast007 | and I'm trying to make it easier for us to update our deps as well (at least for platforms that will use the pack) and at the same time encourage the use of system libs (which will get timely security updates) |
| 18:10.10 | JeffM | sure |
| 18:10.15 | blast007 | otherwise we'd have to add openssl to our source tree next ;) |
| 18:10.28 | JeffM | yeah I think we shoud remove curl no mater what |
| 18:10.30 | JeffM | curl and ares |
| 18:10.56 | blast007 | curl I'm somewhat less concerned about |
| 18:11.23 | JeffM | what else needs SSL then? |
| 18:11.33 | blast007 | on Windows, it can use the "native" Windows stuff for SSL |
| 18:11.47 | JeffM | sure |
| 18:12.06 | JeffM | but I don't think your security argument stands for all libs, like GLEW |
| 18:12.58 | blast007 | nope |
| 18:13.52 | alpha1-2 | can I ask something or should I come back later? |
| 18:13.59 | blast007 | alpha1-2: go ahead |
| 18:14.17 | alpha1-2 | ok, anyone knows why when you run locally a rabit chase server, it behaves weird in the sense that when you kill the rabit you don't become the new one? (it seems some randomly) |
| 18:15.04 | blast007 | because you're not running it with '-rabbit killer' |
| 18:15.22 | blast007 | defaults to a score based selection algorithm, I think |
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| 18:15.47 | blast007 | the three options are score, killer, and random |
| 18:15.50 | alpha1-2 | ohh, didn't look at that, sorry. thanks |
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