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02:18.00delusionalvun derbar  (german)
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02:45.40JeffMblast007, yeah
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03:07.01JeffMblast007, running wise, it should run on anything that can get the VC2013 runtimes
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12:45.38blast007hrm, two of the three name servers for bzflag.org are not answering DNS queries (though the systems respond to ping)
12:49.34BulletCatcherConfirmed here.
12:49.35BulletCatcherOne of the non-responders belongs to brlcad.
12:50.03blast007sent an email to Tim
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13:44.22bradthe only one that does respond :
13:44.28brad64 bytes from rikers.org (63.226.104.168): icmp_req=1 ttl=47 time=2287 ms
13:44.28brad64 bytes from rikers.org (63.226.104.168): icmp_req=2 ttl=47 time=2262 ms
13:57.58blast007yep
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14:17.55brlcadnamed was rejecting bzflag.org queries for some reasons, gave it a restart and it's now responding again
14:33.18blast007thanks brlcad
14:40.03brlcadyw
14:52.21BulletCatcherI'm not getting DNS responses from your server at this time, brlcad.
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15:55.27BulletCatcherTimRiker, your DNS server is the only one currently responding to bzflag.org queries, and even then it often takes 1-2 seconds to do so.
15:55.34BulletCatcherIs there a DoS going on?
15:55.56TimRikerI'll check.
16:03.53TimRikercertainly getting hit a lot, but a quick glance does not look malicious. checking on the mirrors...
16:17.02BulletCatcherns1.saygus.com is responding again.
16:17.41BulletCatcherbrlcad restarted his named a couple of hours ago, but it didn't last for more than a few minutes.
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16:50.21TimRikerBZ.BZFLAG.BZ does not seem to be replying to external dns queries anymore. seems to have the right data loaded
16:56.01JeffMhow many dns hosts do we have?
17:29.32blast0073
17:29.43JeffMthats it?
17:30.35blast007yep
17:35.39JeffMand what was the reson for not using a service?
17:36.25blast007probably lack of an audit log or history
17:36.40blast007though I wonder if that's really even necessary for the .org domain
17:36.41JeffMahh
17:36.47JeffMall them hax0rz
17:36.55blast007there's fewer items on the .org
17:37.14JeffMand namecheap didn't have a log right?
17:37.42blast007it kinda did.. but I think it sent to changes to the power who made the changes, or something silly like that
17:37.54JeffMahh
17:37.59blast007and it didn't just send changes, it send the entire set of records as they were after the change
17:38.03blast007sent*
17:38.17JeffMand we have trust issues right?
17:39.07blast007but really, there's less than 10 records for the .org, I think.. base, www, forums, wiki, images, download, my, and what else?  beta, maybe?
17:39.32blast007('base' being the base/bare domain, that is)
17:40.12blast007we could probably do quite well with Cloudflare's free DNS
17:40.37brad^
17:40.50blast007brad probably has cloudflare on hilight :P
17:40.56bradrofl :p
17:44.01JeffMzealots just make people not want to use it :)
17:45.02JeffMhow much CDN content can you use on a free account?
17:45.21blast007I wouldn't probably use them as a CDN, just DNS
17:45.26JeffMwhy not?
17:45.53blast007because I don't want to proxy all our users' traffic through another host
17:46.06JeffMhuh?
17:46.22JeffMI don't mean CDN for the websites
17:46.29JeffMI mean CDN for things like software downloads
17:46.34JeffMspecific resources
17:46.38blast007ah, I dunno
17:46.46bradyou're not meant to use it for that
17:46.54JeffMthen what good is it?
17:46.55blast007but I'm not hurting on bandwidth, so I wouldn't do that
17:47.10blast007it's good for loading your little JS files and images
17:47.15JeffMit's not just bandwith, availablitity and redunency
17:47.24JeffMyeah I'd not use it for the site at all
17:47.46JeffMI'd want to put things like our releases on it, the image repository, etc..
17:47.56JeffMsource for a patching system :)
17:47.59blast007sourceforge works well enough for releases
17:48.11JeffMish
17:48.26JeffMand for now
17:48.29JeffMI'm just curious
17:48.30blast007what about it don't you like?
17:48.33JeffMads
17:48.36JeffMspeed
17:48.45JeffMisn't a real CDN
17:48.57JeffMit's a set of mirrors that autopick
17:49.20JeffMthe GUI for placing files is horrible
17:49.55JeffMI'm just curious what they offer
17:50.24JeffMis it mostly blog related stuff, like DNS, hosting, databases, and the like, or can it be used as a proper software distorbution/ management system?
17:50.48blast007so far this month I've used about 187GB of bandwidth of the 5TB I'm allocated
17:51.06blast007much of that is probably the daily backups
17:51.10JeffMheh
17:51.28JeffMyeah I don't think we NEED to move anything, I'm just curios what type of service cloudflare is
17:51.32braddoesn't github give you space for releases?
17:51.38JeffMit can
17:51.43JeffMbut again, its' not a true CDN
17:52.16blast007how do you differentiate between a CDN and a bunch of mirrors?
17:52.19JeffMso far it seems like cloudflare is mostly for webapps, and that makes sense given what most of the market does these days
17:52.58JeffMa proper CDN does shortest route maping to give you the fastest node in the network for each download
17:53.11JeffMand nodes that arn't use get files purged
17:53.14JeffMit's much more dynamic
17:53.41JeffMthere is also API access to update files and have them sync, and purge nodes in the network if ndded
17:54.13bradyeah that's definitely not cloudflare :p
17:54.31JeffMyeah I can see that
17:54.37JeffMbut that's why I asked :)
17:54.37bradyou don't ever directly upload anything to them. they grab it all from your server. meant for small files only.
17:54.52JeffMyeah it seems "Scape" based
17:54.58bradtheir DNS system is anycasted though
17:55.10JeffMsure I think they'd be fine for DNS
17:55.21JeffMthis is the type of CDN I'm used to, http://www.highwinds.com/
17:57.00bradI don't think it's a huge issue getting binaries to people though
17:57.13JeffMrignt now, no. I am thinking about future
17:57.19JeffMit's all ponderance
17:57.29JeffMthink rolling releases and the game patches itself
17:57.38blast007in the future we could have a fancy launcher
17:57.40JeffMlot harder to do that kind of thing with mirrors
17:57.41bradI'm sure if you asked for help with mirrors, you'd get a lot
17:57.42JeffMyeah
17:57.53JeffMfor security, I'd NOT want that
17:57.59blast007at least for Windows and Mac, dunno about linux - static builds?
17:58.07bradwhy not?
17:58.11JeffMmaybe, or make the laucher able to get from SVN
17:58.17bradso long as you look at the checksum
17:58.31JeffMunless you modify the checksum checker ;)
17:58.53bradif they manage that you have bigger things to worry about though :p
17:59.19bradall the linux distro mirrors are run by volunteers
17:59.55blast007they're using digitally signed packages
18:00.18bradyou can't?
18:00.34blast007not saying that, just saying why they can
18:00.37bradah :p
18:01.04bradwhat about apache.org/openoffice.org for example? they even release source over volunteer mirrors
18:01.06blast007and I imagine they still have to trust the server operators
18:01.14JeffMyeah there are cheap enough distro networks where it'd be easier and better for the end user to use them instead of asking for mirrors and hen having to build our own CDN on top of that
18:01.26JeffMthat wheel has been invented :)
18:01.35JeffMand it works REALLLY well
18:02.00JeffMbut that'd be a way off
18:02.19JeffMI am not currently looking for a solution for any problem, I was just cruious about what cloudflare did
18:03.01JeffMI think that we could have a need for a CDN for game assets before we had a need for software releases
18:03.12JeffMa large library we keep in sync
18:03.31JeffMbut for that we could use Github or bitbucket and keep the assets in a repository
18:04.41blast007http://wiki.worldforge.org/wiki/Wombat
18:05.15JeffMyeah I saw them talk about that at a SOC metting once
18:05.31blast007yep, it's interesting at least
18:05.33JeffMtey were the GIT zealots :)
18:05.46JeffMwe kinda maybe got into a big argument with them
18:05.57blast007really?  cuz that uses SVN ;)
18:06.14JeffMno because they had little clue about how an asset pipleline worked
18:06.27JeffMit's one reason they haven't make an acutal game :)
18:06.57JeffMbut yeah, there were a bunch of oddities in that sessions
18:17.36JeffMit would be nice to have an inteface like that where artits could submit, then we use the library to build a repository that was keept in some cloud
18:19.58JeffMa VCS could work but history is a bit of a waste at the distrobution level
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19:09.27brlcadBulletCatcher: blast007: can you check again now, I think it's all sorted out
19:12.07brlcadthere was apparently an updated to bind that came in from ports several weeks ago that wiped out some of bind's config settings (making it only listen on localhost and not load any of the zone files), only encountered now after the process finally got around to reloading the config
19:15.23brlcadyay for having all of etc under revision control, helped find the bit lost and cause
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19:28.52blast007brlcad: seems to be working now
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21:03.45TimRikerhe.net offers free dns too. looks like it does support acting as secondary.
21:04.27TimRikerwe were setup under buddyns.com but the dns attacks put us over the free query limit often on the first day of the month.
21:08.55TimRikermecworks was the 4th ns, but his server has been flakey so I removed him quite some time ago.
21:11.05TimRikernamecheap freedns has an API to add/remove/update hosts, but no tools to import/export zonefiles. quite a few people asking about it, could be done, just not been done yet.
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