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16:55.11aFreshMelonList server down?
17:02.03BulletCatcherIt's a bit slow, but I just got the server list.
17:03.15aFreshMelonBulletCatcher: Well, it doesn't seem to be willing to talk to my client, that's unfortunate
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17:27.09BulletCatcherThe list server host looks like it is running normally, with a very light load.
17:27.37BulletCatcherThere may be trouble in other parts of the Internet.
17:44.26kierraI had trouble as well getting the list server
17:45.13kierraand not getting global login as well
17:45.16aFreshMelonkierra: Still having trouble, at least I do
17:45.25kierrayes, even just now
17:45.47aFreshMelonThat sucks, I need to find me some FMs
17:46.05kierrai get the msg "can't talk to listserver"
17:46.48aFreshMelonSo do I, something is down somewhere.
17:47.01kierraand if i know the server addy i want....no global
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17:48.18aFreshMelonEither list server and login server are the same machine or the ISP is having issues
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17:51.05kierrasame
17:52.21aFreshMelonMaybe JeffM knows something.
17:52.22blast007are you able to resolve my.bzflag.org ?
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17:52.28blast007I host the list server
17:52.38aFreshMelonblast007: No
17:53.00blast007can you resolved bzexcess.com ?
17:53.03blast007resolve*
17:53.16JeffMhuh what?
17:53.26JeffMthe internet is broken
17:53.36TheRedBaron1blast007: apparently, comcast does not acknowledge the existence of my.bzflag.org
17:53.47kierrano to bzexcess
17:53.50aFreshMelonNo blast007 it appears your server has died.
17:53.59blast007no, my server is fine  :)
17:54.09aFreshMelonIt died to the puterworld.
17:54.12blast007I'm chatting to you from the bzexcess server
17:54.13aFreshMelonouter*
17:54.16TheRedBaronyea, DNS resolution is borked.
17:54.34blast007TheRedBaron: does porteighty.org work?
17:54.38TheRedBaronaFreshMelon: who is your internet provider? comcast?
17:54.55kierrai can to my.bzflag.org
17:54.59aFreshMelonTheRedBaron: No, Kabel Deutschland, I'm from germany
17:55.03TheRedBaronblast007: yup, dns resolution worked for that.
17:55.10aFreshMelonYeah, it's backj
17:55.26blast007so it was a temporary issue and it's working again?
17:55.33aFreshMelonList server isn't for me
17:55.46blast007you said "it's back", so what is back?
17:55.54aFreshMelonmy.bzflag.org
17:55.59blast007that IS the list server :P
17:56.07kierrano global on bz itself
17:56.14aFreshMelonWell, it says it can't talk to it
17:56.17blast007yes, that IS global login
17:56.21blast007did you restart the client?
17:56.24aFreshMelonYes
17:56.31kierrahow come on bz itself no listserver then
17:56.36blast007what IP does it resolve to?
17:57.28aFreshMelonJust restarted again, still doesn't respond
17:57.35kierraagreed
17:57.41kierrai'm off to work, out of time
17:57.59blast007nslookup my.bzflag.org from the command line or terminal
17:59.08aFreshMelonI will in 5 minutes
18:00.13blast007should start working better shortly
18:00.35blast007flipped bzexcess back to their v2 DNS as they're now having problems on the v1 DNS  ;D
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18:08.53aFreshMelonResolves to 64.31.37.37 - my.bzflag.bzexcess.com
18:13.04JeffMthis is why we should use facebook for authentication
18:13.58aFreshMelonlol
18:14.32JeffMSteam would not have these problems
18:15.24aFreshMelonJust yesterday I couldn't play any games cause Steam login wasn't working
18:15.24aFreshMelongg
18:15.42JeffMmy guess its that it was but just not for you ;)
18:16.32JeffMthey have a large number of border servers
18:16.47aFreshMelonThey have a bunch of servers in Germany
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18:21.54JeffMwell you need more then a few to handle millions of games at the same time
18:22.47blast007aFreshMelon: is it working in-game now?
18:23.09aFreshMelonYes blast007
18:23.13blast007good
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18:57.43bradblast007: appears to be dead again btw, only 3 servers listed (all 2.0) @ http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST
18:58.10blast007sigh.
18:58.17aFreshMelonbrad: Is it not coming up with an error for you too? It seems to be responding.
18:58.25aFreshMelonIt just doesn't work
18:58.29bradaFreshMelon: works fine for me
18:58.33bradnot in-game though
18:58.40aFreshMelonYeah, that's what I mean
18:59.03aFreshMelonBecause it was actually not responding before and now it is responding but it's not working
18:59.06JeffMit may take time for the servers to heartbeat and add players again
18:59.46blast007hmm.  "Temporary technical issues with Comcast DNS servers."
19:00.22aFreshMelonFor whatever reason I hear nothing but bad things about Comcast on the internet
19:01.32JeffMwe only need 3 servers for our userbase anyway
19:01.51blast007JeffM: it's three servers for the old version of the game, though ;)
19:01.54bradD:
19:02.02blast007can't resolve my.bzflag.org from my own server :P
19:02.32bradblast007: cloudflare is the answer to everything!
19:02.50JeffMpffft nobody liked 2.4 anyway, we forced accelration and that ruined the game forever
19:03.26blast007brad: why would I want to deal with that?
19:04.03JeffMstats say we are down to 16 players now :)
19:04.09blast007neat
19:04.42aFreshMelonHow many servers did you say there were?
19:04.44bradfor dns
19:04.46blast007how is it that 'dig my.bzflag.org' gets me the IP, but ping says unknown host?
19:04.57JeffMbrad, so your server is "supercharged"?
19:05.06blast007nvm, now dig also shows no IP...
19:05.11bradJeffM: no, so it works :p
19:05.29blast007is there something more verbose than dig?  curious if it's still trying to use the v1 DNS
19:05.30JeffMbut that's what cloudflare does
19:05.32bradyou can just use their dns services
19:05.34bradno
19:05.44blast007and how would that be any better, brad? :)
19:05.56bradglobally distributed / ddos protected
19:05.59aFreshMelonblast007: my.bzflag.org resolves for me
19:06.07blast007aFreshMelon: it's working *some* of the time
19:06.10BulletCatcher"dig" does direct DNS queries and bypasses any local cache.
19:06.37blast007dunno if I even have a local cache..
19:06.39JeffMhow do you "cloud" DNS, it's already got a redundancy in the system
19:06.59BulletCatcherIf nscd is running, that would be the local cache.
19:07.03bradanycast for starters
19:07.26blast007not running nscd
19:07.49blast007anycast in a packet storm...
19:08.23bradisn't that multicast?
19:08.40BulletCatchermulticast and anycast are quite different
19:09.42blast007brad: was making a reference to the 'Any Port in the Storm' saying ;)
19:09.50bradoh :d
19:10.04BulletCatcherMulticast is an IP layer thing, while anycast is like load balancing implemted by routers.
19:10.26blast007it's all black magic! burn it!
19:24.37blast007okay, maybe I'm just blind, but I can't figure out where to sign up for zoneedit...  all I can find is a log in page.
19:25.03blast007oh.. you have to transfer your domain perhaps? ew.
19:26.15bradblast, give it a try, you'll never turn back!
19:26.21bradlook back?
19:26.25bradyea, that
19:26.40bradshould be a salesman for cloudflare
19:26.41blast007never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna turn around and desert you.
19:26.45bradlol
19:28.56blast007nah, because that would just add an extreme cost later when I add SSL
19:30.03blast007well, maybe not if I just use them as a DNS provider, but still.. bleh
19:30.16brad:p
19:30.41bradI use them for every domain now, but only the gu site is "proxied" through them
19:34.01allejocloudflare's dns is amazing <3
19:34.21blast007god, this is starting to remind me of git
19:34.23blast007:P
19:34.47bradlol
19:34.51brad~allejo++
19:35.02brad~pressure blast007
19:35.03infobotACTION tells blast007 that once won't hurt, nobody will know, and everybody's doing it.
19:35.13allejolol
19:35.33blast007Come to the dark side. We have cookies.
19:35.35JeffMthat's the best way to get him to hate it
19:36.02blast007peer pressure generally has the oppositive effect on me ;)
19:36.09TheRedBaronthe cookie thing used to work when I was young.  Now if the dark side offered free beer, I'd be all over that in a heartbeat
19:36.32brad~lart TheRedBaron
19:36.32infobotfarts in TheRedBaron's general direction
19:37.00khonkhortisanNow I want to make a point that makes a reference from something in another channel, but none of you will get the reference.
19:37.35blast007khonkhortisan: we could fake laugh though
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19:39.02khonkhortisanI would be a stone warden (a class in an rpg you have to donate to play), which can use magic and antimagic together to attack (the game has arcane, and nature-powered (antimagic) weapons) but too much explaining ruins a joke - so I could use both the non-
19:39.17khonkhortisandark side of the force and the dark side without turning into a sith that deals in absolutes
19:49.00aFreshMelonHa-Ha...
19:50.12I_Died_Onceurysurstutsdy\y[oypuaeoyuaey
19:50.19blast007I_Died_Once: exactly
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20:49.44BulletCatcherbzexcess.com DNS is mostly failing for me, now.
20:49.45BulletCatcherOnce I saw my.bzflag.bzexcess.com with a 0 TTL, which isn't helping the situation at all.
20:50.31blast007can you figure out which name server is reporting that?
20:50.32aFreshMelonYep, it's still not working in-game.
20:51.11blast007the V2 DNS does *not* seem to be working well either
20:51.26blast007unless it's still trying to use the V1.. dunno
20:51.40aFreshMelonIs Comcast having issues or is it schedules maintenance or similar?
20:51.57blast007comcast DNS was having issues
20:52.01blast007(or is)
20:52.19BulletCatcherI'm on Cox, not on Comcast.
20:52.25blast007that was issues getting to the V1 DNS though
20:52.31blast007V2 seems to be broken everywhere :P
20:52.46aFreshMelonI'm not on Comcast either, blast007 said something about it before though.
20:52.48blast007~dns bzflag.bzexcess.com
20:52.54blast007~dns my.bzflag.bzexcess.com
20:53.05blast007bleh, so that's working for ibot
20:53.22blast007not working from google DNS though
20:53.53aFreshMelonInfobot is magic...
20:54.43blast007and it's kinda working for OpenDNS...  about half of their DNS servers report "NO A RECORD"
20:54.58BulletCatcherWhen I check from work, each of the 6 distinct DNS server IP addresses is ok, with a 1-hour TTL.
20:56.02aFreshMelonMy server is also able to resolve it
21:03.19blast007when I switched from v1 to v2, it did change the nameservers, so maybe it will just take some time for it to propagate
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21:03.56crumblist server down or something?
21:04.04blast007DNS is broken
21:04.09crumb:/
21:04.25crumbhow do i retrieve it manually then
21:04.40blast007it will be empty
21:04.45crumboh :/
21:04.59blast007servers can't talk to it either :)
21:05.01crumbcan't identify either i guess
21:05.05blast007nope
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21:15.05bradhttp://bzstats.strayer.de will always work
21:15.09bradoh hes gone
21:17.38TheRedBaronTime to take to rioting in the streets.
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21:25.37chingasthe system is down...the system is down...the system is down...(Strong Bad voice optional)
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21:28.39irgendwer4711hi, anything wrong with auth-server?
21:28.47blast007yes
21:28.58blast007DNS is wonky
21:29.46blast007see if it works for you now though
21:29.46irgendwer4711ah ok
21:29.46irgendwer4711dont get any serverlist
21:30.04bradit just started working again for me
21:30.15brad11 servers are back on
21:30.34blast007yeah, I flipped it back to V1.  screw comcast users.  ;)
21:31.29blast007still not 100% on OpenDNS, but meh
21:32.28irgendwer4711clearing dns cache helped
21:32.28brad^
21:32.28bradls
21:32.28bradoops
21:32.30BulletCatcherIt appears that v1 is name-services.com, and v2 is registrar-servers.com .
21:32.39bradv3 is cloudflare.com!
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21:35.04blast007:P
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23:02.20JeffMhave you resolved your resolution?
23:18.52blast007maybe
23:19.40blast007opendns is showing up good now, and there's a lot of servers on the list again
23:24.13TheRedBaronshakes his fist at blast007
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23:24.54blast007TheRedBaron: shake it at Comcast.  they broke your DNS.
23:25.44aFreshMelonThis IRC is almost as shaky as list server
23:25.54blast007aFreshMelon: ?
23:26.01blast007meaning the netsplits?
23:26.14aFreshMelonFreenode was not running smooth lately
23:26.17aFreshMelonLots of splits
23:26.19blast007Freenode has been getting attacked recently
23:30.08aFreshMelonA lot of IRCs have
23:30.14aFreshMelonFreenode seems to have been hit the hardest

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