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| 04:28.52 | allejo | is there a possibility that an api event would be null? like the eventdata objects being null |
| 04:31.46 | mebigfatguy | depends on the api i suppose |
| 04:38.31 | BulletCatcher | It looks like events all happen this way: worldEventManager.callEvents(&eventData) |
| 04:38.49 | mebigfatguy | good to see it's passing the address |
| 04:38.52 | BulletCatcher | So in reality you shouldn't have to test for a null pointer. |
| 04:40.25 | allejo | that's goo |
| 04:40.28 | allejo | good* |
| 04:41.04 | allejo | are there any known issues with bz_resetFlag() reseting a flag that's being reset? like that's in midair |
| 04:41.13 | BulletCatcher | The few existing plugins I looked at blindly assume it is a valid pointer. |
| 04:44.44 | allejo | hurray for assumptions! |
| 04:47.56 | BulletCatcher | I've never heard of any flag reset timing problems. |
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| 04:48.41 | BulletCatcher | But it is likely that no one has ever done a second flag reset before the first one was done. |
| 05:15.46 | BulletCatcher | Constitution: r22675 ("Disable vsync when creating an SDL window to make the behavior consistent with older clients.") makes my NVIDIA card run hot and I'd rather keep vsync enabled. |
| 05:15.47 | BulletCatcher | Any thoughts on how to manage vsync in a way that will keep us both happy? |
| 05:19.39 | Constitution | /localset fpsLimit 60, /localset saveEnergy 1 |
| 05:20.12 | BulletCatcher | That doesn't keep my computer as cool as using vsync. |
| 05:20.36 | Constitution | I think with SDL on mac you can change it on the fly, so we could try to make a toggle for it? but I think mac is the only platform you can do that on |
| 05:21.25 | Constitution | older versions of the SDL framework didn't enable vsync by default, so the intention was to maintain consistent behavior for maintenance releases |
| 05:22.07 | BulletCatcher | On my Linux/NVIDIA system, vsync is controlled by the driver. |
| 05:22.37 | BulletCatcher | I used to enable it with an environment variable, but now the driver enables it by default. |
| 05:22.41 | Constitution | I think windows is the same |
| 05:23.12 | Constitution | so, we could include a display options toggle for it, but not on all platforms |
| 05:24.27 | BulletCatcher | Would it be enough to just disable vsync inside #ifdef __APPLE__ and let the other systems do it their own way? |
| 05:24.54 | Constitution | I thought you wanted a way to enable it? |
| 05:25.23 | BulletCatcher | It is enabled by default by my driver. I want BZFlag to not disable it. |
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| 05:27.43 | Constitution | okay, I thought you said to disable it in a preprocessor check |
| 05:30.03 | BulletCatcher | It isn't really clear to me why it is necessary for BZFlag to touch the vsync setting at all. |
| 05:32.44 | Constitution | I think SDL enables vsync by default when you create the window? so it's explicitly set by SDL one way or the other |
| 05:32.59 | Constitution | I don't believe there is any such driver-level setting on mac |
| 05:34.28 | BulletCatcher | Things could have changed, but vsync was off for me without that environment variable a couple of years ago. |
| 05:35.20 | BulletCatcher | Based upon the behavior I have seen, SDL does not explicitly set it one way or the other. |
| 05:35.54 | BulletCatcher | (And BZFlag didn't, before r22675, either.) |
| 05:37.22 | Constitution | when I updated to a later SDL 1.2 version, suddenly vsync was on? which led me to add that code to turn it back off. so I am pretty sure that SDL does turn it on by default as of some recent version |
| 05:40.08 | BulletCatcher | Does your Mac have an NVIDIA card? If so, it may be the driver that changed it. |
| 05:41.05 | BulletCatcher | it == the default vsync setting |
| 05:44.09 | Constitution | http://sdl.beuc.net/sdl.wiki/SDL_GLattr |
| 05:44.22 | Constitution | under SDL_GL_SWAP_CONTROL, it says 1 is the default |
| 05:45.18 | Constitution | also, updating to the newer SDL version enabled the vsync, and downgrading to the previous version disabled it, so I am pretty sure it is happening in SDL |
| 05:45.28 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 05:46.44 | Constitution | we could add a toggle under a conditional that checks if it's an SDL build |
| 05:47.20 | BulletCatcher | It sounds like we'll need a BZFlag menu item to control it. |
| 05:47.27 | Constitution | yes |
| 05:48.05 | BulletCatcher | I think I can do that. |
| 05:48.52 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Allejo * 8768 /Bz_eFlagDroppedEven: Added note about invalid player id |
| 05:49.38 | Constitution | you're certain that using an fpsLimit doesn't have the same effect? I don't understand how it would be handled much differently |
| 05:52.29 | BulletCatcher | I have a slow on-board video card, and vsync gives me typically 37 fps on HiX without extra cooling effort. |
| 05:52.31 | BulletCatcher | With fpsLimit 60 I get higher fps, but it runs hotter. |
| 05:52.42 | BulletCatcher | I should try fpsLimit 30, I suppose. |
| 05:53.05 | Constitution | oh |
| 05:53.53 | BulletCatcher | I have an ordinary 60 Hz LCD display. |
| 05:59.27 | BulletCatcher | With vsync off and fpsLimit 30 it still runs hot. |
| 06:05.05 | BulletCatcher | Anyway, I'm willing to add a BZFlag menu item for vsync (off/auto/on). |
| 06:05.06 | BulletCatcher | That should let everyone set it the way they want it. |
| 06:06.41 | Constitution | what would "auto" connote? afaict, bzflag can only manipulate the vsync setting on SDL clients, which will always default to "on" |
| 06:09.30 | BulletCatcher | "auto" would not set it at all, leaving it to SDL and the driver what to do. |
| 06:09.56 | BulletCatcher | Someone with an older SDL version would then have it off in "auto". |
| 06:10.33 | BulletCatcher | There is probably a better word than "auto" for that. |
| 06:15.29 | Constitution | older versions of SDL don't have the ability to set it one way or the other |
| 06:16.29 | Constitution | I would tend to think that on/off would be sufficient, with the menu item hidden for clients that do not support it |
| 06:17.59 | BulletCatcher | With just on/off, which should be the default? |
| 06:20.02 | Constitution | I would lean toward the default being on, given that most modern cards can put out several hundred fps at least, which probably isn't good for the cards, and the less configuration the better for the average user |
| 06:22.40 | BulletCatcher | Okay, I'll make it default to on and we'll see if anyone else cares. |
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| 11:31.47 | blast007 | Constitution / BulletCatcher: 2.99.x had a menu option for vertical sync already: https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag-import-3/blob/v2.99archive/src/platform/VerticalSync.cxx https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag-import-3/blob/v2.99archive/src/bzflag/DisplayMenu.cxx |
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| 17:27.15 | BulletCatcher | Thanks for remembering that v2.99 already had a vsync option, blast007. |
| 17:27.16 | BulletCatcher | I'll backport that and we'll get some more value from all of that effort. |
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| 19:50.53 | Constitution | ~blast007++ |
| 19:52.49 | aFreshMelon | What does that even do Constitution? |
| 19:57.42 | Constitution | ~karma blast007 |
| 19:57.42 | infobot | blast007 has karma of 108 |
| 19:57.50 | Constitution | gives him more of that |
| 20:10.36 | brad | ~karma aFreshMelon |
| 20:10.36 | infobot | afreshmelon has neutral karma |
| 20:10.41 | brad | you need to work on that :P |
| 20:10.56 | aFreshMelon | Is it Freenode wide? |
| 20:11.46 | brad | just where the bot is, which happens to be quite a lot of channels |
| 20:12.33 | aFreshMelon | Thanks for the info |
| 20:12.37 | aFreshMelon | ~brad++ |
| 20:12.43 | aFreshMelon | lol |
| 20:20.16 | Constitution | ~karma |
| 20:20.16 | infobot | constitution has karma of 90 |
| 20:21.03 | aFreshMelon | Did she just hide something in her vagina? |
| 20:22.28 | aFreshMelon | So that was not intended for this channel. |
| 20:30.27 | blast007 | :P |
| 20:54.10 | mahem1 | Hmm, I wonder what channel is was meant for... |
| 20:55.04 | mahem1 | /join #drugsmugglers |
| 21:04.51 | aFreshMelon | A channel on Snoonet, that's a dark place |
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