| 00:04.07 | JeffM | lime |
| 00:05.02 | allejo | if it's #32cd32, then I'll agree |
| 00:05.57 | JeffM | yeah like that |
| 00:06.00 | JeffM | nasty green |
| 00:06.50 | allejo | works for me |
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| 00:07.08 | JeffM | all we need is shader support |
| 00:15.06 | Delusional | 3 of 4 arrow keys on my KB died... and you can't re-map those keys... I'm gonna have to steal someone's KB |
| 00:33.21 | JeffM | well at least now you know what you want for christmass |
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| 00:34.00 | blast007 | a keyboard not made by Apple? ;) |
| 00:34.07 | echelon | hey guys |
| 00:34.12 | echelon | just got my usb gamepad |
| 00:34.15 | blast007 | hello |
| 00:34.17 | allejo | hai |
| 00:34.18 | JeffM | MS split ergo :) |
| 00:34.19 | JeffM | hello |
| 00:36.04 | echelon | ah, i had it in analog |
| 00:36.34 | blast007 | that would be good, no? |
| 00:36.46 | echelon | why |
| 00:37.05 | blast007 | because then you have the ability to turn or move slower than full speed |
| 00:37.07 | echelon | it didn't recognize my x/y axis until i turned it off |
| 00:37.15 | echelon | yeah? |
| 00:37.21 | echelon | hmm |
| 00:37.26 | blast007 | what operating system? |
| 00:37.31 | echelon | linux |
| 00:37.40 | blast007 | is that an SDL build you're using? |
| 00:37.53 | echelon | yeah |
| 00:38.06 | blast007 | might be a limitation of SDL 1.2 |
| 00:38.12 | echelon | hmm |
| 00:38.59 | blast007 | maybe the issue was the number of axes when in analog mode |
| 00:39.53 | blast007 | you didn't even see them as an option when setting the joystick settings up in the menu? |
| 00:41.07 | echelon | nope, it was just N/A |
| 00:41.29 | blast007 | did you restart the game after you selected the joystick device and saved the settings? |
| 00:41.46 | blast007 | just tried it here on Windows, and the axis selections didn't show up until I restarted the game |
| 00:42.04 | echelon | oh |
| 00:42.08 | echelon | :/ |
| 00:42.23 | blast007 | probably something we could improve, eh? ;) |
| 00:42.31 | echelon | :D |
| 00:42.37 | blast007 | don't have many people play with joysticks... though maybe that's why |
| 00:43.04 | echelon | ah, ok it's showing now |
| 00:43.10 | blast007 | yay :) |
| 00:45.48 | blast007 | hmm, and apparently the game doesn't like it if you unplug the controller |
| 00:50.14 | JeffM | I belive we scan it all when we load platform |
| 00:50.28 | JeffM | we don't get any events on device insertion |
| 00:50.50 | JeffM | silly newfangled hot swappable devices |
| 00:51.07 | JeffM | in my day we had a special port for game things, it was called "the game port" |
| 00:54.38 | echelon | eh, i keep going forward |
| 00:57.43 | echelon | nvm, pressing up/down fixed it |
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| 05:10.36 | Snake12534 | Can anyone give me the link to download bzedit? |
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| 05:19.18 | JeffM | for what platform? |
| 05:36.46 | allejo | ibzedit should totally be revamped... best editor evah |
| 05:40.42 | allejo | that reminds me... i think i was supposed to support it after macnus abandoned it... |
| 05:45.58 | JeffM | bzworkbench should be finished and turned into the best editor ever |
| 05:47.01 | allejo | but ibzedit has an "i" |
| 05:47.07 | JeffM | no |
| 05:47.18 | allejo | well technically yes it does in the name... |
| 05:47.20 | allejo | :p |
| 05:47.27 | JeffM | no you are just seeing things again |
| 05:47.33 | JeffM | it's a verry funny j |
| 05:47.53 | allejo | hah, silly jeff... it wouldn't be the best editor ever if it was written in java |
| 05:48.11 | JeffM | I thought he did it in objectiveC |
| 05:48.29 | allejo | it is objective-c |
| 05:48.37 | JeffM | thus making it useless for cross platform |
| 05:48.58 | allejo | i know |
| 05:49.04 | allejo | a plus to os x ;D |
| 05:50.13 | Snake12534 | Thanks for the help, now may I be assisted in hosting the my map privately? |
| 05:50.31 | Snake12534 | I am new to this :) |
| 05:50.33 | allejo | http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=11785 |
| 05:51.00 | Snake12534 | ty allejo |
| 05:51.13 | allejo | np |
| 05:51.15 | JeffM | you just want to run a map localy? |
| 05:51.39 | Snake12534 | localy for now |
| 05:51.43 | allejo | called it |
| 05:51.47 | Snake12534 | I have a friend who will run it for me publically |
| 05:52.07 | Snake12534 | just curious, does it cost money to host the servers publically? |
| 05:52.13 | allejo | yes |
| 05:52.38 | Snake12534 | http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=11785 gave me 3 links to downloads, do I download all of them? |
| 05:53.12 | allejo | one of the links is the tool, the other links are for libraries that need to be installed on your computer |
| 05:53.13 | JeffM | just run it via the command line |
| 05:53.19 | JeffM | bzfs -map your_FILE |
| 05:53.34 | JeffM | learn how to use your tools |
| 05:53.40 | Snake12534 | k thanks |
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| 06:32.58 | BulletCatcher | In 2.4.3 the out-the-window color of one's own shots while colorblind is changed by r22666 to be rogue color. |
| 06:32.59 | BulletCatcher | Since it could affect gameplay, should we hold that change for the next breaking release? |
| 06:33.30 | JeffM_ | previously they were your color? |
| 06:33.34 | BulletCatcher | yes |
| 06:33.44 | JeffM_ | minor but yes it does affect gameplay |
| 06:33.52 | allejo | ohhh color blind changes the color of your own shots? |
| 06:34.08 | BulletCatcher | only in 2.4.3 |
| 06:34.11 | JeffM_ | techincaly it should be held back, but it's very minor |
| 06:34.20 | allejo | oh that's awesome |
| 06:34.22 | BulletCatcher | yup |
| 06:35.58 | BulletCatcher | It should be easy to revert that change on the v2_4_x branch, and then do a merge to the v2_6_x branch that does not revert. |
| 06:36.08 | JeffM_ | k |
| 06:37.22 | BulletCatcher | r22665 also changes the color of your own tank when you are colorblind. |
| 06:37.37 | BulletCatcher | That's even more minor, but I'll include that one too. |
| 06:37.58 | BulletCatcher | Then there will be just one relevant changelog entry. |
| 06:38.35 | JeffM_ | yeah they do go together |
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| 07:51.54 | Not-006 | [02bzflag-import-3] 07JMakey 03d35ae92 - Merge branch v2_4_x into v2_6_x, preserving the colorblindness enhancements of r22665 and r22666. |
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| 19:33.54 | BulletCatcher | ~bzgit |
| 19:33.55 | infobot | hmm... bzgit is git clone --branch v2_4_x https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag-import-3.git bzflag |
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| 20:18.11 | allejo | yay it's accurate |
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| 20:22.27 | Snake12534 | now, I just need to add the config settings, does anyone know how to do this? |
| 20:23.45 | allejo | http://wiki.bzflag.org/Options_(object) or http://wiki.bzflag.org/Sample_conf |
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| 20:26.07 | Snake12534_ | I added +r at the end but no change occured |
| 20:27.01 | allejo | [12:23:44] <allejo> http://wiki.bzflag.org/Options_(object) or http://wiki.bzflag.org/Sample_conf |
| 20:30.11 | Snake12534_ | Yep, I went to that link |
| 20:30.34 | Snake12534_ | here's what I added to my map |
| 20:30.36 | Snake12534_ | +r |
| 20:30.41 | Snake12534_ | +f F{1} |
| 20:31.00 | allejo | inside the options block, right? |
| 20:31.50 | Snake12534_ | what's that? :/ |
| 20:31.55 | allejo | ... |
| 20:31.57 | allejo | the first link |
| 20:32.15 | Snake12534_ | There is no text on that page |
| 20:32.27 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Allejo * 8750 /Options_(object): fixed typo |
| 20:32.41 | allejo | i highly doubt that since i just fixed a typo on that page |
| 20:33.30 | Snake12534_ | ok thanks allejo |
| 20:33.34 | Snake12534_ | what is the variable to change speed shot? |
| 20:34.28 | allejo | http://wiki.bzflag.org/BZDB |
| 20:34.54 | Snake12534_ | thank you |
| 20:35.08 | Snake12534_ | do I put all of this between the option end block? |
| 20:35.58 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Allejo * 8751 /Options_(object): Fixed redundant links |
| 20:36.00 | allejo | yes |
| 20:36.56 | Snake12534_ | yay it worked |
| 20:39.04 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Allejo * 8752 /BZFS_Command_Line_Options: Removed section concerning 2.0.13 and below options since it's inaccurate |
| 20:43.28 | allejo | lol i'm the only "Active user" deemed by the wiki |
| 21:08.01 | apeman | lets get him! |
| 21:08.56 | allejo | ~hide allejo |
| 21:08.56 | infobot | ACTION gets a huge black sheet and covers allejo with it so that nobody can see what allejo is doing! |
| 21:44.11 | Snake12534_ | Can anyone here host the a map I just created? |
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| 22:05.50 | allejo | post it on the forums |
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| 22:27.55 | JeffM | Snake12534_, be sure to specify a license for the map |
| 22:28.26 | Snake12534_ | JeffM: I will be using CreativeCommons |
| 22:28.43 | JeffM | k, just make sure you specify that and all will be well |
| 22:28.53 | JeffM | and techincaly your parrents have to agree too |
| 22:30.41 | Snake12534_ | I'm sure they will JeffM :p |
| 22:30.58 | JeffM | probably, but if they don't your license is invalid |
| 22:31.55 | Snake12534_ | I just show them my creation, say this is what I will share under a liscense, and they will say ok |
| 22:32.03 | JeffM | that's fine |
| 22:32.40 | JeffM | it's just important, minors can't engage in the contract the license specifies, so it's techicnaly between the users and your parents |
| 22:33.06 | Snake12534_ | how do I prove them that they will give me consent for this? |
| 22:33.10 | JeffM | you don't have to |
| 22:33.15 | Snake12534_ | ok good |
| 22:33.17 | JeffM | you just need to understand it |
| 22:33.24 | Snake12534_ | ok |
| 22:33.44 | JeffM | it's your work so you don't HAVE to do anything |
| 22:34.08 | JeffM | but if we were to have doubts about the validity of the license we would not let it be posted on our forums |
| 22:34.20 | JeffM | so it's just best that you understand exactly what you are doing |
| 22:34.58 | Snake12534_ | alright |
| 22:35.15 | Snake12534_ | can't wait until this becomes a major hit :) |
| 22:35.22 | Snake12534_ | it will make bzflag one of the popular games |
| 22:35.25 | Snake12534_ | it's a big twist |
| 22:35.38 | JeffM | doubtfull but hey you can dream |
| 22:35.50 | Snake12534_ | ever heard of a tycoon JeffM? |
| 22:36.00 | JeffM | theme park, or rail? |
| 22:36.31 | Snake12534_ | tycoons are games where you kill or win a battle or kill a person in this case a tank, you then get exp points and/or cash which you can use in a shop |
| 22:36.50 | Snake12534_ | but that's too much :) the exact details and formula will be a surprise |
| 22:36.50 | JeffM | that sounds more like an RPG |
| 22:36.53 | Snake12534_ | exactly |
| 22:36.57 | Snake12534_ | RPG are tycoons |
| 22:37.04 | Snake12534_ | but RPG's are more advance tycoons |
| 22:37.05 | JeffM | if you say so |
| 22:37.15 | allejo | now now jeff, don't be a debbie downer :p |
| 22:37.29 | JeffM | I've just never ever heard of an RPG called that |
| 22:37.44 | ashvala | "no body likes a debby downer, m'kay? debby?" ~ Mr.Mackey from South Park |
| 22:37.54 | JeffM | but that concept is used in many FPS games, IIRC the call of duty games do similar things |
| 22:38.00 | Snake12534_ | quoting south park in bzflag :p |
| 22:38.11 | JeffM | who is writing the plugin to manage your XP and cash stuff? |
| 22:38.21 | Snake12534_ | that's the trouble |
| 22:38.31 | Snake12534_ | I personally, am trying to learn, at least my 2nd attempt |
| 22:38.38 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:38.39 | Snake12534_ | but I am looking for a team of programmers |
| 22:38.47 | JeffM | there are limits to what a plugin can do as well |
| 22:38.53 | Snake12534_ | really? |
| 22:38.54 | JeffM | you can't bring up a GUI or anything |
| 22:38.59 | Snake12534_ | :( |
| 22:39.05 | Snake12534_ | but GUI was gonna be very important |
| 22:39.06 | JeffM | plugins only run on the server |
| 22:39.14 | JeffM | I would think it would be |
| 22:39.18 | Snake12534_ | I was gonna make a button on a client that you can click to open the shop |
| 22:39.20 | Snake12534_ | a shop GUI |
| 22:39.21 | JeffM | that's why I mentioned it |
| 22:39.25 | JeffM | yeah we can't do that |
| 22:39.29 | Snake12534_ | sad |
| 22:39.31 | JeffM | our GUI is hardcoded |
| 22:39.44 | Snake12534_ | in that case, I'll make a physical GUI shop |
| 22:39.48 | allejo | /shop show /show buy <blah> |
| 22:39.50 | Snake12534_ | just will take a lot of thinking to get right |
| 22:39.56 | Snake12534_ | allejo, good point |
| 22:40.01 | JeffM | how will the user seclect things? |
| 22:40.03 | Snake12534_ | but commands suck |
| 22:40.09 | JeffM | yeah command line is all you really have |
| 22:40.14 | Snake12534_ | eh |
| 22:40.20 | JeffM | we don't have an API for knowing when thanks hit objects |
| 22:40.32 | JeffM | and you can't dynamicly change the map |
| 22:40.38 | JeffM | so you are somewhat limited in what you can do |
| 22:40.45 | Snake12534_ | There will be rounds of 3 minutes long, with a 30 second interval in between |
| 22:41.05 | Snake12534_ | you get as much currenices as possible and spend it or not in the "shop" |
| 22:41.24 | JeffM | how will you display how much money they have? and what will they buy? |
| 22:41.25 | Snake12534_ | either the shop be activated by GUI, physical (tank drives over the item causing the flag to give), or /command |
| 22:41.40 | Snake12534_ | they can buy many items which I wrote down in my journal with a price |
| 22:41.48 | JeffM | what will those items do? |
| 22:42.03 | Snake12534_ | give you an advantage |
| 22:42.06 | Snake12534_ | you can be a total noob |
| 22:42.12 | Snake12534_ | and get good flags |
| 22:42.18 | JeffM | flags you can give |
| 22:42.20 | Snake12534_ | pernament by getting experience by playing |
| 22:42.23 | JeffM | it's harder to do other thigns |
| 22:42.34 | JeffM | and tanks can only have one flag just so you know |
| 22:42.40 | Snake12534_ | yeah |
| 22:42.47 | JeffM | so you can't make people fly with wings and pick up other flags |
| 22:42.47 | Snake12534_ | they can drop their flag |
| 22:42.54 | JeffM | you also can't make one tank faster then another |
| 22:43.04 | JeffM | any variable chagnes happen for all tanks |
| 22:43.15 | JeffM | at least not with out some tricky stuff that has problems. |
| 22:43.51 | JeffM | just so you know |
| 22:43.52 | Snake12534_ | I already can imagine bzflag like a RPG game |
| 22:43.59 | JeffM | I'm sure you can |
| 22:44.17 | JeffM | just be aware that we have many programing limits, so what you can imagine isn't always possible in the current codebase |
| 22:44.23 | JeffM | at least not on a standard client |
| 22:44.27 | Snake12534_ | I'll find a way :) |
| 22:44.37 | ashvala | if you want to build a rpg game, use cryengine 3... it's free |
| 22:44.39 | Snake12534_ | if it doesn't work, I'll dedicate into updating bzflag |
| 22:44.41 | ashvala | you don't need to know any coding |
| 22:44.45 | Snake12534_ | I want to build it for bzflag |
| 22:44.57 | Snake12534_ | the thing is like blast007 mentioned |
| 22:45.01 | JeffM | be pretty easy in unity too |
| 22:45.06 | Snake12534_ | this game isn't "noob friendly" or addiciting for new players |
| 22:45.27 | Snake12534_ | when you kill a tank, you get a point |
| 22:45.34 | Snake12534_ | however |
| 22:45.36 | Snake12534_ | in other games |
| 22:45.36 | JeffM | that part is pretty easy, plugins can do that |
| 22:45.44 | JeffM | that's just data |
| 22:45.47 | Snake12534_ | if you kill something, you get cash/exp/etc which is used |
| 22:45.52 | JeffM | it's the display of that data that is hard |
| 22:45.56 | Snake12534_ | yeah |
| 22:46.00 | Snake12534_ | we need GUI |
| 22:46.07 | JeffM | we need lots of things :) |
| 22:46.12 | Snake12534_ | how about a new scoreboard>? |
| 22:46.16 | Snake12534_ | scoreboard?* |
| 22:46.19 | Snake12534_ | with updates that show these things |
| 22:46.37 | allejo | write the patch :p |
| 22:46.38 | JeffM | those would be protocoll breaking |
| 22:46.45 | JeffM | since they would only work with newer clients |
| 22:46.54 | JeffM | so it would have to go into something like 2.6 |
| 22:47.07 | allejo | yayyy 2.6 |
| 22:47.08 | ashvala | technically, isn't forking allowed ? |
| 22:47.10 | Snake12534_ | alright |
| 22:47.15 | allejo | ashvala, yes |
| 22:47.20 | JeffM | sure, anyone can fork |
| 22:47.26 | Snake12534_ | I'll write the patch after allejo hosts my battlefield map for it :p |
| 22:47.28 | JeffM | it's not up to us to allow or disallow it |
| 22:47.33 | ashvala | fair enough |
| 22:47.42 | Snake12534_ | the battlefield map is where the tanks can rack up points and cash (which isn't in yet) |
| 22:47.43 | ashvala | snake, there you go, fork bz and make an rpg |
| 22:47.46 | JeffM | but at that point it's a different game |
| 22:47.51 | JeffM | that's fine and all |
| 22:47.54 | Snake12534_ | then there are in another map (in the map) |
| 22:47.59 | Snake12534_ | when the round ends |
| 22:48.00 | Snake12534_ | there |
| 22:48.03 | Snake12534_ | they have 30 seconds |
| 22:48.05 | Snake12534_ | to buy what they want |
| 22:48.08 | Snake12534_ | and shooting is disabled |
| 22:48.15 | Snake12534_ | yeah |
| 22:48.17 | Snake12534_ | bzflag needs to chance |
| 22:48.18 | Snake12534_ | change |
| 22:48.23 | JeffM | we just ask that forks use a different protcoll version so there isn't a confict with normal games |
| 22:48.25 | Snake12534_ | it's all FPS with no awards |
| 22:48.34 | JeffM | that's a lot of work Snake12534_ |
| 22:48.42 | JeffM | it's all possible, but a lot of work |
| 22:50.19 | JeffM | you may want to start learing to program on something slightly smaller so you don't get frustrated |
| 22:50.47 | Snake12534_ | it's my goal |
| 22:50.52 | JeffM | goes to buy cybernetic extensions for his knee |
| 22:50.54 | Snake12534_ | I already made the core of the map :D |
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| 23:22.41 | apeman | whats a good IP geolocation lookup? All the ones i try say this australian server is in san jose (i want to know what part of australia it is) |
| 23:28.25 | Snake12534 | hi apeman! |
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