IRC log for #bzflag on 20131215

02:06.05JeffMwell that sucks, only 18 games in my steam library support linux :(
02:07.08JeffMand 5 of them are HalfLife 2
02:09.56blast007heh
02:10.12blast007trying SteamOS, or just loading the Steam client on Linux?
02:12.08JeffMYES!
02:12.10JeffMon both
02:12.23JeffMI had to install linux on the media center to fix the bootloader for steamOS
02:12.28JeffMso now I have both
02:12.54blast007I'll have to tweak the SteamOS images a bit if I want to run them here.  Don't have any UEFI systems.
02:13.40JeffMyeah there are ways to get it to boot with out it
02:13.55JeffMit only requires it because it's SUPER easy to make a boot disk for eufi
02:14.21JeffMit's bassicly the same thing as big picture mode
02:15.13JeffMit as a really stripped down desktop you can use if you turn it on
02:16.08JeffMand bzflag does not show up in it's repository :)
02:16.43JeffMin fact the only thing that shows up in "Games" is the steam launcher
02:19.20JeffMonce they enable streaming from a windows PC then it'll be kinda cool
02:19.31JeffMI could play skyrim on my tv
02:19.46JeffMprobalby should get a better CPU for the system
02:19.55JeffM1.6 gig AMD APU ain't cutting it
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04:24.45cz3141are there plugins to customize the rainfall on map?
04:25.06cz3141aside from frogs, particles, etc. which are standard
04:26.00blast007"customize" how, exactly?
04:26.17cz3141the graphic that is displayed...
04:26.48cz3141for example... if i wanted it to rain cats & dogs...
04:26.52cz3141literally...
04:27.40cz3141or bouncing betties...
04:27.47cz3141for example
04:28.22blast007you can only have a single texture regardless
04:28.32blast007and a plugin wouldn't do anything more than a /set could do
04:28.48cz3141no dynamic images then, say an expanding explosion?
04:28.51Delusionallast time I tried that... some clients (mac) could use a downloaded texture for the rain, most could not
04:29.43Delusionaljeff said it was an accident that macs could use it, that was 3-4 years ago
04:30.13blast007cz3141: nope
04:30.17cz3141happy accident eh? ok. so ...
04:30.22DelusionalI'm surprised no one ever made a plugin to vary weather over the course of a day
04:30.22cz3141yeah no. ok. thanks
04:30.41Delusionalsome linux could... some couldnt
04:30.51blast007Delusional: I actually wanted to make a plugin that looked up the current weather conditions and replicated them as best as it could
04:32.02Delusionalseems like it would be relatively easy
04:32.56blast007the hard part is me not being lazy
04:33.46Delusionaland it could be cats OR dogs, not cats AND dogs
04:34.26Delusionali think there is a way to force clients to re-load textures though
04:35.21cz3141yeah... but aren't the bubbles for _rainType of difft diameter?
04:36.28Delusionalot sure what you are saying
04:37.14Delusional>n
04:38.08Jeffery_you can set the size of the rain
04:38.11Jeffery_and the direction
04:38.13Jeffery_and the speed
04:38.16Jeffery_that's about it
04:38.24Jeffery_but yes it's only a single texture
04:38.28Jeffery_and no animations
04:40.04cz3141ok thanks for the feedback, all of you
04:40.36cz3141gotta run, but will likely have more questions in the future
04:40.45cz3141thanks
04:40.51Delusionalnp
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19:41.02JeffMawww, my unix text book doesn't even mention the vi/emacs war :(
19:41.44blast007hehe
19:42.02JeffM"You are preparing to give a training session on the vi editor. How would you describe it?"
19:42.12JeffMnone of the answers fit what I'd say about it :)
19:42.37blast007JeffM: I noticed one thing with my "no UDP, no chat!" patch... bzadmin doesn't establish a UDP link, so it can't talk..
19:42.50JeffMhooray?
19:42.53blast007hehe
19:43.06JeffMyou could give a permsion to let them chat
19:43.18blast007don't think I could even /quit
19:43.20JeffMlike antiban
19:43.53blast007I'll probably just not put that patch in
19:43.57JeffMk
19:44.18JeffMI can see it being an option with a perm to enable specific groups
19:44.30JeffMpersonaly I'd default the option to ON since i think bzadmin is silly
19:44.33blast007a better idea would be fixing the spam check to also throttle different messages, not just the same one repeatedly
19:44.47JeffMwell that's just a good idea in general
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19:58.32cz3141gah... sry. copy pasted msg to another bzplayer thought he would like to know that...
19:58.42cz3141clearly didnt get all msg sent
20:00.18cz3141blast007 i think some have already patched that UDP fix in so as to keep troll types at bay...
20:00.19JeffMthats only due to the patch blast007 was testing
20:00.29JeffMit was an idea
20:00.37JeffMa valid Idea I think
20:00.42blast007the patch is active on mofo and bzexcess
20:00.42cz3141yeah definitely
20:00.49blast007and maybe others
20:00.52JeffMwe could make bzadmin do the UDP hearbeat
20:01.05blast007it wasn't put into the actual code, but I had posted links to the patches
20:01.15blast007actual repo*
20:01.27JeffMor finish webadmin
20:01.48cz3141anyone done any irc bot linking to bzadmin?
20:01.52JeffMyeah
20:01.56cz3141a supybot?
20:02.00JeffMwell to bzflag
20:02.02JeffMnot bzadmin
20:02.11JeffMusing bzadmin would be silly
20:02.20JeffMI had the bzfs server join an IRC channel
20:02.30cz3141nice
20:02.41JeffMand then make an IRC user for each player and a player for each IRC user
20:02.46JeffMso it was a full bridge
20:03.15cz3141very nice
20:03.38JeffMit had very little usefullness and was rife for abuse
20:03.59JeffMwe also don't have a way to handle out of band chat messages
20:04.12JeffMsince all chat users must be players
20:06.35blast007http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18685  8-bit sound pack ;)
20:07.15JeffMSHIP IT!
20:07.34JeffMmake the landing longer and reverb more
20:07.41JeffMI like the rico sound
20:08.00JeffMlaser should hav a WHAHHA WHAAA WAHHH sound
20:08.10JeffMand death needs to be better
20:08.13JeffMbut I like it
20:08.27JeffMwhat did you do for donkey?
20:08.32blast007most of it was me just hitting the "randomize" button
20:08.36JeffMahh
20:08.39JeffMit's a good idea
20:08.47JeffMwe have crap graphics, so lets own it as retro :)
20:09.07JeffMpixelate the explosions
20:09.29blast007hehe... I had actually started the recording that way.. had set the texturing to "linear"
20:09.53JeffMyeah nearest neighbor would be fine
20:10.02blast007explosions looked cool that way, but the rest was horrid
20:10.18JeffMyeah we'd have to minecraft up our textures
20:10.22blast007maybe I should rescale all images to 16x16
20:10.34JeffMis there a creative commons minecraft texture pack?
20:10.56JeffMit would depend on how you scale them
20:11.02JeffMmore then likely they'd just blur out
20:11.44blast007reduce to 16x16 and then scale up to 512x512 without smoothing ;)
20:12.18JeffMscale it nearest neighbor in an imaging app, apply a sharpen filter, then let bz scale it
20:15.57JeffMthere are some pretty sweet CC BY SA minecraft packs
20:16.23JeffMwe could do billboard grass and make it look kinda cool
20:16.52JeffMand let buildings specify height ranges of textures, so stone base, brick walls, wood top
20:17.24JeffMor just do obj export from a voxel app
20:17.55blast007where you finding CC BY-SA ones?  I've only found one so far.
20:18.24JeffMgoogle showed me a bunch
20:19.22JeffMonigiris looks nice
20:19.35JeffMso does aurora
20:19.52JeffMtho it's NC
20:20.15JeffMI guess a lot of them are NC
20:20.39blast007yep, some are even ND
20:21.21JeffMstill there are enough that it could work :)
20:21.27blast007:)
20:21.38JeffMmaybe I'll do that for unity branch
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21:32.39allejoblast007, downloaded :p
21:32.57blast007pew pew
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22:12.48allejois there any way to "throw an error" while a plugin is being loaded in game with /loadplugin? like send the person a message as to why the plugin failed to load or something?
22:32.29JeffMyou could probably send a server text message
22:32.36JeffMbut you won't know who to send it to
22:32.47JeffMsince you haven't finished loading yet
22:33.18JeffMI belive you can return an error code from the method
22:34.24JeffMoh, init doesn't return anything
22:34.26JeffMthat sucks
22:34.42JeffMtho if init gets called, you DID get loaded
22:35.15JeffMis there some other configuration problem that would prevent you from working?
22:57.08allejothe only times my plugin wouldn't get loaded would be config file error or directory not found
22:57.37JeffMthen you set a flag that says that you did not load properly and notify them in an idle event
22:57.43JeffMyou loaded, you just can't run
22:58.23allejoi would probably just notify admin chat, right?
22:58.41JeffMpossibly
22:58.46JeffMdepends on the nature of your plugin
22:59.17blast007"Hey! Hey! Listen! You have to save the world! Take this config file!"
23:00.08allejolol blast
23:00.41allejoI wonder if the plugin could unload itself and message the admin chat before it does so
23:07.02JeffMunloading yourself is wierd in non managed
23:07.14JeffMbecause where do you return when the function that unloads is complete :)
23:07.35JeffMyou have to post a message and have the serve runload you after your callback is complete
23:07.40JeffMI don't think I hooked that up
23:11.16allejonon manged?
23:11.40allejomanaged*
23:12.25JeffMnormal C++
23:12.30allejooh
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