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| 05:05.10 | Nidhoggr | still holding out for an ipad version of bzflag ;) |
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| 05:18.21 | Jeffery_ | pay someone a couple grand and you can have it |
| 05:28.53 | Nidhoggr | jeffery_ it was mostly a joke, however, I've given a lot of time and resources to the bzflag project in the past, and I know few people here have that kind of time. |
| 05:29.54 | Jeffery_ | the problem is you'd have to redo nearly all of it |
| 05:30.03 | Jeffery_ | and apple's policy makes open source stuff very hard |
| 05:30.20 | Nidhoggr | thus the winking smiley at the end of my declaration |
| 05:30.43 | Jeffery_ | taking those into account it would not be too hard if you were willing to use a closed source engine |
| 05:30.51 | Jeffery_ | less so if you didn't need legacy compatability |
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| 05:33.01 | Nidhoggr | also, there are quite a few open source apps for iOS. Granted, it's not super common, but not as rare as anti-apple folks would have you believe. |
| 05:33.19 | JeffM | ish |
| 05:33.29 | Nidhoggr | hola jeff :) |
| 05:33.36 | Nidhoggr | ltns |
| 05:33.38 | JeffM | big parts of them are open source, the part that uses the apple API is not |
| 05:33.43 | JeffM | hello |
| 05:33.47 | JeffM | so it's tricky |
| 05:34.07 | JeffM | I'd assume what you want is an app in the app store called bzflag that anyone could download |
| 05:34.26 | JeffM | if so, do a client in unity, open source the scripts needed to make it work with the free version of unity |
| 05:34.32 | Nidhoggr | I'd dump my apple server if I thought I could get their open source APNS module to work on debian. :) |
| 05:34.40 | JeffM | then ether use the built in networking or write a network layer that interfaces with legacy clients |
| 05:35.18 | Nidhoggr | I was mostly joking about wanting an iOS version. you know I've been joking about that for years. |
| 05:35.42 | JeffM | if bzflag were to use a cross platform framework it would not be a joke |
| 05:35.49 | Nidhoggr | true |
| 05:36.11 | Nidhoggr | it's been discussed quite a bit before I distanced myself from the project. |
| 05:37.05 | JeffM | there isn't enough interest in that level of redevelopment |
| 05:37.10 | Nidhoggr | yep |
| 05:37.21 | JeffM | these are the end time |
| 05:38.00 | Nidhoggr | I had to even step away from IRC because IRCing from my dragon.org network was attracting attention, despite having a hostmask. |
| 05:38.17 | Nidhoggr | now I have transparent bridge firewall in place. |
| 05:39.22 | JeffM | yeah I saw on the facebooks |
| 05:39.52 | Nidhoggr | oh, yeah... just because you haven't been posting much, doesn't mean that you don't read posts. :) |
| 05:40.19 | Nidhoggr | the firewall is good and bad |
| 05:40.29 | Nidhoggr | pfsense is nice but still a little buggy |
| 05:40.58 | Nidhoggr | and with my recent health issues, my patience is pretty much shot for broken computer stuff. |
| 05:41.45 | JeffM | I can imagine |
| 05:42.19 | Nidhoggr | I had to drive 12 miles night before last, after cooking all night for t-giving, to reboot/fix the firewall. |
| 05:42.42 | Nidhoggr | got there, and no crash carts monitor/keyboard because they had huge emergency at another site and took them all |
| 05:43.02 | Nidhoggr | it was 1 am |
| 05:43.59 | Nidhoggr | I had to move a huge monitor to my rack, and find a ps2 keyboard. only one I found was connected to the sign in/out PC, which was broken, so I borrowed the kb. |
| 05:44.04 | Nidhoggr | was a nightmare. |
| 05:44.07 | JeffM | virtual machines... thats' why it's all about virtual machines :) |
| 05:44.32 | Nidhoggr | if I had a big enough server to support a few virtual boxen, I might consider it. |
| 05:45.16 | Nidhoggr | my mac mini server is nice, but server 3.0.1 is buggy as hell, so I can't use a few of the services until they update |
| 05:45.51 | Nidhoggr | the vpn server is trashed, which was why I was working on installing it on my firewall |
| 05:46.57 | Nidhoggr | fortunately, I have the direct number for enterprise support and a contract. |
| 05:47.01 | JeffM | thats why I just pay people to run VPSs for me :) |
| 05:47.44 | Nidhoggr | yeah, I'm still holding out. I like having my own equipment, and what I am paying a month for 1/3 of a rack is embarassingly cheap |
| 05:48.17 | JeffM | for what I need I pay less then 12$ a month for servers |
| 05:49.11 | Nidhoggr | I plan on starting to do regular hosting on the mac server, and doing web design and joomla, wordpress, drupal installations. |
| 05:49.27 | JeffM | ewww shared hosting? |
| 05:49.32 | Nidhoggr | yep |
| 05:49.44 | JeffM | the rates on those are nothing these days |
| 05:51.11 | Nidhoggr | depends on the services offered. I offer a site designed with 5 pages, hosting, 5 email addresses with webmail and imap with iphone push and lots of extras. I get 250 for the design and setup and 20 bucks a month and bill at $50/hr for related services. |
| 05:52.01 | Nidhoggr | it takes me about 5 hours to make the site, and set up all the emails, etc. then I train someone at $50/hr to use the admin interface to change their content |
| 05:52.27 | JeffM | arn't there controll pannels that do all that? |
| 05:52.38 | Nidhoggr | for non-profits and small, poor businesses, I barter |
| 05:53.05 | Nidhoggr | have you seen a 60 year old jewelry designer try to figure out the control panel on joomla or wordpress on their own? |
| 05:53.28 | JeffM | yeah, they are not all bad :) |
| 05:53.50 | Nidhoggr | sometimes you get lucky and the person catches on quick. |
| 05:54.00 | JeffM | if you have the customers go for it |
| 05:54.19 | Nidhoggr | either way, I can't do shit until I get this medical condition under control. |
| 05:56.08 | Nidhoggr | there are a few different types of website customers. one can log into godaddy and set up a site with the control panel and get a generic site that looks like everyone elses. Fortunately, I am connected in the Phoenix art community. |
| 05:56.24 | Nidhoggr | they aren't fond of looking like everyone else |
| 05:57.16 | JeffM | fun |
| 05:57.45 | Nidhoggr | I have a few tricks to get color schemes that the customer likes and I just design a unique template with those colors. I'm not good at logos, but I can do simple ones, and I have artists I can contract logos to |
| 05:58.40 | Nidhoggr | and the website design software I'm using can export the same design to work with almost all the common CMSes |
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| 22:08.52 | TD-Linux | Nidhoggr, at one point I was looking at porting BZFlag to only use the "ES" portions of OpenGL |
| 22:09.12 | TD-Linux | it would probably also improve performance on non-ES hardware |
| 22:09.24 | TD-Linux | OpenGL is pretty entrenched though and immediate mode is used everywhere |
| 22:11.49 | Nidhoggr | I think bzflag needs a shot in the arm... something to mitigate it's slow demise. |
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| 23:51.35 | khonkhortisan | a frequent release schedule could be a shot in the arm, putting everyone on different sets of servers |
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