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| 00:14.14 | Zac_ | is it possible to stop textures flickering when they're overlapped? |
| 00:14.35 | JeffM | not with out moving them |
| 00:14.48 | Zac_ | AHH |
| 00:14.50 | JeffM | it's called "Z fighting" |
| 00:14.51 | Zac_ | ah* |
| 00:14.55 | Zac_ | yeah |
| 00:14.59 | Zac_ | got told that yesterday |
| 00:15.11 | Zac_ | the objects swich which face is on top |
| 00:15.24 | JeffM | they are both being written to depth buffer values that are very close to each other but off by a single bit |
| 00:15.38 | JeffM | yeah the projection math dosn't always get them alligned to the same bit |
| 00:15.48 | JeffM | best is to not overlap them |
| 00:15.53 | Zac_ | yeah |
| 00:15.55 | Zac_ | i realise that |
| 00:16.05 | Zac_ | but i created a very specific ground area |
| 00:16.08 | JeffM | or ensure that the overlaped parts have identical UV coordinates |
| 00:16.17 | Zac_ | UV coordinates? |
| 00:16.17 | JeffM | then it'll flicker between the same 2 images :) |
| 00:16.55 | JeffM | all textured objects have UV and cooridnates that tell it where the image maps to the face in 3d |
| 00:17.08 | JeffM | for boxes the client computes them |
| 00:17.15 | JeffM | for meshes you can have us compute them or you can define them |
| 00:18.28 | Zac_ | is it possible to take a whole bunch of overlapped objects and turn them into a single object? |
| 00:18.46 | Zac_ | so that when you texture it, it's an even texture all over? |
| 00:19.01 | JeffM | sure, make a mesh in a modeler |
| 00:19.05 | JeffM | then it's a single object |
| 00:19.25 | JeffM | if its concave you'll have to deal with inside and outside points, but it's dooable |
| 00:19.29 | Zac_ | is it possible to transfer from a notepad file into a modeler? |
| 00:19.44 | Zac_ | i already have the objects positioned where i need them |
| 00:20.09 | JeffM | if the modeler reads bzw probably |
| 00:20.17 | JeffM | blender and wings3d may be able to do it |
| 00:20.32 | JeffM | or export the map as obj from the client |
| 00:20.36 | Zac_ | ok |
| 00:20.49 | JeffM | then import that into a modeler, fix the geometry then use model tool to convert an obj back to bzw |
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| 00:24.00 | Delusional | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.36 | Zac_ | yeah |
| 00:24.52 | Delusional | - /saveworld -o saves the bz world in obj format |
| 00:25.57 | Delusional | wings3s can export directly to bzflag world format .bzw. |
| 00:26.11 | Zac_ | how about changing the mapfile in notepad form? |
| 00:26.13 | JeffM | this kind of stuff is why many other FPS games don't use objects for worlds |
| 00:26.31 | JeffM | you mean define a mesh by hand? |
| 00:26.38 | Delusional | not sure what you mean there |
| 00:26.39 | Zac_ | i mean |
| 00:26.45 | Zac_ | changing the mapfile into obj form |
| 00:26.52 | spldart | ~bzsvn |
| 00:26.52 | infobot | i guess bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/bzflag/code/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 00:27.05 | JeffM | obj is very different then bzw |
| 00:27.05 | Delusional | thats what i just told you how to do |
| 00:27.09 | spldart | ~thank you infobot |
| 00:27.09 | infobot | de rien, spldart |
| 00:27.14 | JeffM | it is not full of boxes |
| 00:27.15 | Zac_ | :P |
| 00:27.20 | JeffM | it is a mesh format |
| 00:27.40 | JeffM | you'd have to do the math to figure out where all the vertecies were from your object angle/size values |
| 00:28.00 | JeffM | obj is a list of 3d vertecies, normals, and polygons |
| 00:28.26 | JeffM | but just converting it to that format won't fix your problem |
| 00:28.43 | JeffM | you need to edit the individual faces so there isn't an overlap |
| 00:30.45 | Zac_ | ok, a friend is helping me out |
| 00:30.51 | Zac_ | he'sgood with blender |
| 00:30.53 | Zac_ | thanks for all the help |
| 00:30.57 | spldart | I'm gonna attempt to build bz source on a second usb stick plugged in on a computer running from a live linux installed on a first usbstick.... Any issues forseen here?? Other than slowness... |
| 00:31.00 | JeffM | cool |
| 00:31.25 | JeffM | spldart, it should not matter what type of drive you use, so long as your system can write to it |
| 00:31.29 | spldart | Long story why I'm running live linux from usb. |
| 00:31.29 | JeffM | and is configured correctly |
| 00:31.54 | spldart | I guess the configured might be the only issue... But yeah... Read and Write permissions confirmed |
| 00:32.06 | spldart | Oki doki... I'mma try |
| 00:32.38 | blast007 | if the flash drive is a FAT filesystem that might not work correctly |
| 00:32.57 | spldart | uh oh... ok... Uhm... lemme check.. I know the second stick is fat. |
| 00:33.06 | JeffM | yeah it will need to be able to hold the unix file permissions |
| 00:34.51 | Zac_ | whats the command for changing the flag reset to 0 after drop? |
| 00:35.02 | Zac_ | so it automatically respawns somewhere else |
| 00:36.04 | spldart | crap... ok... I'm running the live linux on a "ID - 17 System - Hidden HPFS/NTFS" and the second usbstick is "ID - c System - W95 FAT32 (LBA)" as per 'fdisk -l' |
| 00:37.23 | Delusional | zac _maxFlagGrabs 0 |
| 00:37.23 | JeffM | what distro is it? |
| 00:37.24 | spldart | This leaves me confused as I took a live distro of debian and dd'd it onto the usb stick partition... I would have assumed that would have been a linux file system. |
| 00:38.40 | blast007 | it's probably doing something like squashfs |
| 00:39.03 | spldart | But I don't trust this computer yet. It got real unstable because of faultering caps. It corrupted several partitions on two hdd's and a couple usb sticks and the mbr of the primary drive. I have it fixed but I've lost to much data to trust it quite yet so I'm just linuxing off a usbstick for now. |
| 00:39.36 | JeffM | use mint and then you can juse use the ubuntu bzflag package |
| 00:40.11 | spldart | I'm bad about not wanting to throw away a rig and this one is a quad core x64 that can run at 3ghz all day long. |
| 00:40.44 | spldart | I'll google that jeff... and the squashfs sounds familiar in my recent research blast |
| 00:40.50 | spldart | thanks guys |
| 00:41.32 | JeffM | mint is an ubuntu distro with out the unity crap |
| 00:41.54 | blast007 | spldart: a 3GHz quad-core isn't that impressive anymore.. it's pretty standard ;) |
| 00:42.45 | blast007 | my two year old system is a 3.3GHz quad-core |
| 00:43.02 | JeffM | yeah that's like a moderate laptop |
| 00:43.07 | spldart | I know but it's money I don't wanna spend right now. My daughter wrecked my Spyder GT. I'm doing the rental thing right now... Also just started a new job and just bought an elliptical exercise machine... Money isn't great right now.. so this rig is the best I got :~/ |
| 00:43.58 | spldart | Besides.. When it runs right I'm good for anything I wanna do. Don't need anything more. Besides... Caps are cheap. |
| 00:44.08 | blast007 | then maybe don't stress out your failing system with BZFlag and just use it for important stuff? |
| 00:44.49 | spldart | I just need it to play games, play Hulu, browse the net, etc. |
| 00:45.57 | Zac_ | server command for flaggrabs isn't working |
| 00:46.25 | Zac_ | am i doing something wrong? |
| 00:46.27 | spldart | wanted to build the new bz so I could play a version that has some players.... the deb repo version has like 2 players and 1 observer right now. Anywho |
| 00:46.29 | blast007 | Zac_: probably |
| 00:46.35 | Zac_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.45 | blast007 | and what about that didn't work? |
| 00:46.53 | blast007 | we don't read minds |
| 00:46.58 | spldart | ooOOoo... pretty girl.. bbl |
| 00:46.59 | Zac_ | when i grabbed the flag and dropped it again |
| 00:47.04 | Zac_ | it didn't respawn |
| 00:47.06 | Zac_ | somewhere else |
| 00:47.11 | Zac_ | it just dropped to the ground |
| 00:47.20 | blast007 | did you have that extra space between /set and _maxFlagGrabs ? |
| 00:47.41 | Zac_ | no |
| 00:48.00 | Zac_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.02 | blast007 | did it say that it successfully set the variable? |
| 00:48.43 | blast007 | and what flag had you grabbed? |
| 00:49.02 | blast007 | (it doesn't work for team flags) |
| 00:49.04 | Zac_ | i grabbed a few |
| 00:49.09 | Zac_ | not the teamflag :p |
| 00:49.12 | blast007 | k |
| 00:49.18 | blast007 | what about my other question? |
| 00:49.52 | Delusional | maxFlagGrabs never seemed to do what it's supposed to do, try setting it to 1. .. if you set it to 4, that foes not mean that you can pick it up 4 times before it respawns elsewhere, that meant there is a 1 in 4 chance of it respawning elsewhere, each time it is dropped |
| 00:50.01 | Zac_ | yes |
| 00:50.20 | Zac_ | it said the variable was successfully set |
| 00:50.41 | Delusional | zero might be a divide by zero |
| 00:51.05 | JeffM | why would we divide by max flag grabs? |
| 00:51.17 | JeffM | you don't need your current flag grab percentage |
| 00:53.05 | blast007 | seems to work if it's set from the command line.. perhaps it would work after a '/flag reset all' ? |
| 00:54.04 | Zac_ | yeah, that worked |
| 00:54.26 | Delusional | one? |
| 00:54.30 | Zac_ | 0 |
| 00:56.37 | blast007 | the number of grabs for a flag is set when the flag is spawned, so flags that were already spawned would have had a higher number of grabs |
| 00:57.44 | blast007 | and 0 is a perfectly valid number for this as it's multiplication: grabs = int(floor(maxGrabs * (float)bzfrand())) + 1; |
| 00:58.15 | JeffM | but zero is the devil's number! |
| 00:58.26 | JeffM | it makes maths hard |
| 00:59.27 | blast007 | that's why I use base 9 offset 1 |
| 00:59.34 | Delusional | hmm, that's interesting.. another trick I've heard of is making a zoneflag zone that encompasses the entire map.... not sure exactly what's that supposed to accomplish though. |
| 00:59.35 | JeffM | heh |
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| 01:03.05 | Not-002 | [02game-services] 07blast007 pushed 034 commits to 03default [+0/-0/±4] 13https://bitbucket.org/polarbearswithchainsaws/game-services/commits/ |
| 01:03.06 | Not-002 | [02game-services] 07blast007 039a12edd - Add methods to regenerate the session ID and to clear the session. |
| 01:03.07 | Not-002 | [02game-services] 07blast007 039505be8 - Use the Session::regenerateID method when logging in. |
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| 01:03.09 | Not-002 | [02game-services] 07blast007 03a1be448 - Fix error message output. |
| 01:16.12 | blast007 | is there any real point to an autoincrement primary key when a table is just a many-to-many glue table? is there a point to even having a primary key in that case? is having an index on each column enough? |
| 01:17.26 | JeffM | acording to my DB instructor, yeah |
| 01:17.37 | JeffM | as long as it's unique |
| 01:17.56 | JeffM | you are never going to search by index right? |
| 01:18.50 | blast007 | joining the organizations and accounts table in a many-to-many relationship |
| 01:19.19 | trepan_ | combined primary key? (with extra indices if they aren't already foreign keyed?) |
| 01:19.22 | blast007 | the joining table with have the organization_id and account_id |
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| 01:20.38 | spldart | K.. Back. So.. Uhm... building on a fat partition would fail? |
| 01:21.10 | blast007 | spldart: it *might* fail.. we don't test on that environment |
| 01:24.01 | blast007 | trepan: thanks, that'll probably work just fine for my needs :) |
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| 01:31.56 | spldart | Ok... So... To boldly go where no nescient boor has gone before..... |
| 01:33.45 | trepan | blast007: (for work) i'm currently replacing a 5TB oracle DB with a custom NoSQL solution; gonna be fun to see how people accept the change :) |
| 01:33.53 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:34.54 | trepan | it's 100x faster, so that'll like that... (and saves them the annual licensing fee) |
| 01:35.57 | trepan | s/that'll/they'll/ |
| 01:42.33 | spldart | yep... No matter what I do 'Permission denied' |
| 01:45.13 | blast007 | spldart: could make 1GB loopback file system and make it ext3 or similar |
| 01:45.17 | blast007 | http://www.walkernews.net/2007/07/01/create-linux-loopback-file-system-on-disk-file/ |
| 01:45.35 | spldart | 8~/ |
| 01:47.42 | spldart | Maybe I'll just wait till I can trust this machine again or can afford to 'Thro it in the guttu and go buy anothu' 8~D.... since it's so slow now (4 years old) |
| 01:48.04 | spldart | but yeah.. build on fat partition = problematic. |
| 01:48.45 | spldart | ... in linux |
| 01:48.52 | spldart | is googling |
| 01:49.10 | blast007 | can't just format that second USB stick to ext3? |
| 01:51.47 | spldart | Might do that but It has to work at work... No choice atm... windows 7 only |
| 01:52.39 | spldart | so it gets a proggie to r/w linux partitions or I stay fat/ntfs on the second usbstick... or I buy another stick this weekend just for this.. or... or... or... meh |
| 01:54.31 | spldart | Grr... Yamaha needs new ignition box. Spyder in body shop (prolly totaled). etc etc... to many bad things to fast :( Ever have life just stack stuff like it's fast food? |
| 01:55.01 | spldart | So what is new technology in the pc world? 16 cores and 64 gig ram? |
| 01:55.11 | spldart | :) |
| 01:56.45 | blast007 | 42 cores |
| 01:56.56 | spldart | uhm.... |
| 01:57.09 | spldart | home pc? |
| 01:57.33 | JeffM | 4 is still common but you can get more |
| 01:57.39 | spldart | oh.. lmao |
| 01:57.41 | spldart | 42 |
| 01:57.44 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:57.45 | spldart | my bad. I get it now |
| 01:57.49 | JeffM | and everyone shuld have at least 8 gigs of ram |
| 01:58.27 | spldart | wow... top still says I live under 2 gig.... But I got 4. 8 huh? |
| 01:59.11 | blast007 | more RAM means more room to cache data from your disk |
| 01:59.42 | blast007 | check 'free -m'. how much is actually listed as 'free' on the Mem row? |
| 02:00.04 | spldart | I hate how the software we live in seems to become as obese as we do (Americans) |
| 02:00.30 | JeffM | most apps don't use that much |
| 02:00.35 | JeffM | a number of games do |
| 02:00.44 | JeffM | more ram means you can run more apps before running out |
| 02:00.48 | JeffM | and it's just cheap |
| 02:00.48 | spldart | Haven't used free that much lately... "Mem: 3965 3812 152 0 223 2106" |
| 02:00.52 | spldart | outta 4 gig |
| 02:01.07 | JeffM | this lappy has 8 gigs, desktop has 16, if I were to get anoehr machine I'd buy at least 32 |
| 02:01.08 | blast007 | so 152MB free ;) |
| 02:01.36 | blast007 | unused RAM is wasted RAM, so linux is caching about 2GB of data from your disk in RAM |
| 02:01.59 | spldart | Which explains the speed atm. Interesting.... |
| 02:02.01 | blast007 | 16GB is the normal amount I throw in my personal systems now |
| 02:02.33 | spldart | Welp... if this fix holds I need to get another two sticks to meet Jeff's criteria... 8 gig. |
| 02:02.56 | blast007 | threw 16GB in my mom's new system as well, but mainly so she'll be set for a looong time (she had 2GB, but routinely hit 4GB usage) |
| 02:03.07 | spldart | Thing is I don't demand alot from my systems nowadays |
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| 02:03.53 | spldart | Next line -/+ buffers/cache: 1483 2481 |
| 02:04.07 | spldart | And no swap file |
| 02:04.25 | blast007 | yeah, maths are fun, eh? |
| 02:04.46 | spldart | yes.... |
| 02:04.53 | blast007 | that line is just the amount of usage/free without the buffers and cache being included |
| 02:05.03 | spldart | yes |
| 02:05.24 | blast007 | if applications need more RAM, the system will give up cache/buffers to accomidate |
| 02:05.31 | spldart | You enjoy being a smart .... You know.... ;) |
| 02:05.53 | blast007 | I enjoy sleeping more :P |
| 02:06.08 | spldart | Sleep... Data.. |
| 02:07.21 | trepan | http://www.nature.com/news/scientists-read-dreams-1.11625 - now you can do both! |
| 02:09.06 | trepan | (and rest assured, the NSA will store the data for you in case you need a backup) |
| 02:09.19 | allejo | lol |
| 02:10.00 | spldart | Oh crap! I got autogen goin....... permissions issue seems resolved... lets see where my build fails next XD |
| 02:10.32 | spldart | a little umask and in my home directory |
| 02:11.54 | spldart | ugh... chmod couldn't change permissions so fail |
| 02:12.10 | spldart | I just wanna be weird!!!! |
| 02:19.03 | spldart | Brick wall.. done.. need one of you guys solutions.. Will do another time. Thanks very much :) |
| 02:25.20 | spldart | heh |
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| 10:55.32 | Zac_ | anyone a hoster here? |
| 11:00.17 | blast007 | Zac_: you could post the .bzw on the forums if you want it hosted |
| 11:01.31 | Zac_ | would prefer to contact someone specifically |
| 11:01.57 | blast007 | why? |
| 11:02.24 | Zac_ | i don't like releasing my maps publicly |
| 11:02.55 | blast007 | then I wouldn't host your map anyway - I only host open-licensed maps |
| 11:03.13 | blast007 | (well, with the exception of MW2.3 ;) |
| 11:03.16 | Zac_ | why? |
| 11:04.07 | blast007 | well, one reason is so that I'm actually allowed to fix stuff if the author doesn't want to |
| 11:04.29 | Zac_ | and i can't just give you permission to fix stuff? |
| 11:04.42 | blast007 | *shrug* |
| 11:05.00 | Zac_ | you probably wouldn't want to host my map anyway :) |
| 11:05.35 | blast007 | are you of the age of majority in your region? |
| 11:06.00 | Zac_ | i'm 20 |
| 11:06.05 | blast007 | then probably |
| 11:06.36 | Zac_ | you don't host 20yr old people's maps? ^ |
| 11:07.17 | blast007 | no, people *under* the age of majority can't license their work, generally ;) |
| 11:07.23 | Zac_ | right |
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| 11:07.52 | alezakos | According to http://www.loc.gov/law/help/child-rights/australia.php#t2 you are above the age of majority |
| 11:08.02 | Zac_ | age of majority is 18 |
| 11:08.14 | blast007 | yep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority |
| 11:09.59 | Zac_ | are you blast? :P |
| 11:10.18 | Zac_ | (age of majority in your region) |
| 11:10.24 | blast007 | certainly :) |
| 11:23.22 | Zac_ | i think you will like my map blast :) |
| 11:23.34 | Zac_ | i hope you'll check it out when i eventually find a hoster |
| 11:30.59 | alezakos | I could host it, but my server is on the other side of the globe |
| 11:34.27 | Zac_ | hmmm |
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