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| 00:12.07 | JeffM | alpha1-3, but yes my schooling has been odd :) |
| 00:12.34 | randomparticle | prime years only? |
| 00:12.56 | JeffM | yeah it gets harder to go the further out it gets |
| 00:13.33 | randomparticle | i don't know about the US, but in this country it is mostly geared towards younger people |
| 00:13.57 | randomparticle | there is almost an assumption that nobody above a certain age would want to study for a degree, which is wrong, imo |
| 00:14.16 | JeffM | they don't let you in the program I am in if you arn't over 25 |
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| 00:18.12 | alpha1-3 | but then, either at the first and at the last school, how many years in total it would be? |
| 00:18.24 | alpha1-3 | straight |
| 00:18.38 | alpha1-3 | 4 more or less? |
| 00:19.21 | JeffM | I first went to college in 1990 |
| 00:19.41 | JeffM | right after I got out of high school |
| 00:20.13 | alpha1-3 | ok |
| 00:20.46 | alpha1-3 | bachelor degree it was? |
| 00:20.51 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:20.58 | JeffM | well that's what I was trying to get |
| 00:21.00 | JeffM | I failed |
| 00:21.01 | JeffM | hard |
| 00:21.10 | alpha1-3 | how many years was it developed to be? |
| 00:21.14 | JeffM | 4-5 |
| 00:21.17 | alpha1-3 | ah ok |
| 00:21.24 | alpha1-3 | yes it is hard career |
| 00:21.27 | JeffM | not really |
| 00:21.34 | alpha1-3 | all computing/systems careers |
| 00:21.38 | JeffM | naw |
| 00:21.46 | alpha1-3 | IMO, yeah |
| 00:21.48 | JeffM | the classes I am taking now aren't bad |
| 00:22.07 | JeffM | the Religon class made me do the most work this term |
| 00:22.52 | alpha1-3 | and, in this new plan, how long is it developed in total for a new student? |
| 00:23.02 | JeffM | depends on how much they go |
| 00:23.15 | JeffM | you can't start it with no prior experience |
| 00:23.22 | JeffM | it's designed around people who have started and stopped |
| 00:23.28 | alpha1-3 | ahh |
| 00:23.38 | JeffM | it can take 4 to 1 years depending on what you need |
| 00:23.45 | JeffM | it's for people that work and go to school |
| 00:23.54 | alpha1-3 | ok |
| 00:24.00 | JeffM | all the classes are from 6 to 9PM |
| 00:24.11 | alpha1-3 | ok nice |
| 00:24.28 | JeffM | and you have to be 25+, so no kids just screwing around |
| 00:24.36 | JeffM | but each term is only 11 weeks not 15 |
| 00:24.41 | alpha1-3 | my Uni too, it was thought for worker student mostly |
| 00:24.46 | JeffM | so they can get 4 full terms a year done |
| 00:25.33 | tw1sted | JeffM, what made you decide to finish your degree? |
| 00:25.44 | alpha1-3 | term = subject? |
| 00:25.56 | JeffM | alpha1-3, term = semester |
| 00:26.06 | alpha1-3 | ahh |
| 00:26.12 | JeffM | tw1sted, the fact that the program had classes after work |
| 00:26.24 | JeffM | there was no way I could go to a UC or CSU school |
| 00:27.16 | JeffM | no public school wold work with my schedule, I'd have to take entire days of work |
| 00:27.27 | JeffM | but this private school has it setup to work well |
| 00:27.35 | JeffM | and my company is paying some of the costs |
| 00:28.36 | alpha1-3 | do you mean that US has *public universities*? :O |
| 00:28.47 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:28.51 | JeffM | each state does |
| 00:29.29 | JeffM | In california there are 2 systems, the "University of California" system and the "California State University" system |
| 00:29.35 | tw1sted | yeah, theyre state universities |
| 00:29.45 | tw1sted | usually cheaper for in-state students |
| 00:29.48 | alpha1-3 | but, I mean, paid by the governments, public education, very cheap for people? |
| 00:29.49 | JeffM | the UC system is generaly beter and more expensive |
| 00:30.05 | JeffM | I'd not say "very cheap" but cheaper then private for sure |
| 00:30.12 | alpha1-3 | or "free" let's say |
| 00:30.17 | JeffM | no, not free |
| 00:30.18 | JeffM | they cost |
| 00:30.26 | JeffM | but they are are VERY VERY full |
| 00:30.37 | JeffM | and do not have as much money as they used to these days |
| 00:30.49 | JeffM | so I choose to go to a private university |
| 00:30.59 | tw1sted | for example, the cost for a public school in pennsylvania is a little more than half the cost of the private school i go to in pennsylvania |
| 00:31.07 | alpha1-3 | how much is the cost for studying 1 year in public Uni there? |
| 00:31.11 | JeffM | yeah about the same here |
| 00:31.19 | JeffM | depends on what system |
| 00:31.28 | alpha1-3 | both |
| 00:31.32 | tw1sted | alpha1-3, depends, but a state university in New York is about $30k for a year |
| 00:31.49 | JeffM | yeah it's probalby about the same for a UC |
| 00:31.52 | JeffM | CSU is cheaper |
| 00:31.57 | JeffM | but sucks more |
| 00:32.14 | tw1sted | yeah, theres CUNY's (city university of NY is NYC), but those suck too |
| 00:32.22 | tw1sted | s/is/in/ |
| 00:32.43 | alpha1-3 | ok, then it was the idea that I had... not the same "public education" in the sense of the government pays majority of costs |
| 00:33.14 | tw1sted | its definitely cheaper, but still no where near close to being considered "cheap" |
| 00:33.27 | JeffM | the tuition for a year at CSUN is like 7000$ |
| 00:33.52 | alpha1-3 | for example in Geman, or here in Argentina, we have public and privates places |
| 00:33.58 | alpha1-3 | Germany* |
| 00:34.12 | JeffM | I'm paying 16000$ a year |
| 00:34.18 | alpha1-3 | and there are huge differences |
| 00:34.26 | alpha1-3 | in costs |
| 00:34.30 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:34.40 | alpha1-3 | the quality of public education here is good or very good |
| 00:34.41 | JeffM | CSUN is a public school in the cheaper system |
| 00:35.07 | tw1sted | alpha1-3, is there a big difference in the level of education you get at a public uni vs a private uni in argentina? |
| 00:35.35 | alpha1-3 | I don't think big difference |
| 00:35.56 | JeffM | there is here |
| 00:36.09 | alpha1-3 | but better, the public has very good reputation |
| 00:36.18 | JeffM | some of the teachers in the private schools are much better then the public ones |
| 00:36.24 | JeffM | since private pays more |
| 00:36.37 | tw1sted | yeah, in general private schools account for a large majority of the top schools in the US |
| 00:37.09 | tw1sted | there are some great public schools though |
| 00:37.14 | alpha1-3 | public education has large history here, private not too I think |
| 00:37.27 | JeffM | this is my school, http://www.callutheran.edu/ |
| 00:37.31 | JeffM | goes to there |
| 00:38.18 | alpha1-3 | oh luteran :) |
| 00:38.22 | alpha1-3 | lutheran |
| 00:38.35 | tw1sted | UC-Berkeley is probably the best public school in the US |
| 00:38.41 | alpha1-3 | it looks nice |
| 00:39.13 | alpha1-3 | Berkeley very good reputation |
| 00:39.27 | alpha1-3 | international I mean |
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| 00:46.00 | alpha1-3 | these are 2 good Unies here (public both - government pays) - Science careers in these case |
| 00:46.16 | alpha1-3 | http://www.frc.utn.edu.ar/ |
| 00:46.27 | alpha1-3 | http://www.famaf.unc.edu.ar/ |
| 00:46.39 | alpha1-3 | cases* |
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| 01:47.47 | alpha1-3 | Sorry the repetition |
| 01:47.49 | alpha1-3 | JeffM: these are 2 good Unies here (public both - government pays) - Science careers in these cases - The first one has Information Systems Engineering, Electronic Engineering, etc. and it is for worker students mostly. The second one has Bachelor Degree in Computer Science (and Computing Engineering in other Uni branch). |
| 01:47.57 | alpha1-3 | http://www.frc.utn.edu.ar/ |
| 01:47.59 | alpha1-3 | http://www.famaf.unc.edu.ar/ |
| 01:48.49 | JeffM | fun |
| 01:49.05 | alpha1-3 | :), but hard :P |
| 01:49.23 | alpha1-3 | as they says "hard sciences" :) |
| 01:51.28 | alpha1-3 | obviously all the material and other related costs are paid by each student |
| 01:53.01 | alpha1-3 | how was your presentation? |
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| 01:53.55 | alpha1-3 | :) / :| / .S / :( / :P (choose one) |
| 01:54.50 | alpha1-3 | JeffM |
| 01:56.40 | JeffM | I have to go last |
| 01:56.46 | JeffM | the other students are presenting now |
| 01:58.01 | JeffM | they didn't want me to go first |
| 01:58.18 | alpha1-3 | ah ok, concentrate, be quiet and good one then :) (no more talking by me) |
| 01:58.49 | JeffM | it's ok |
| 01:58.53 | JeffM | I'm just sitting here |
| 01:59.13 | JeffM | watching the rest of them having not finished the project |
| 01:59.22 | alpha1-3 | :P |
| 02:00.46 | JeffM | so far 2 out of the 4 groups that have presented haven't had anything to demo |
| 02:01.19 | alpha1-3 | bad bad :P |
| 02:01.45 | JeffM | yeah, it's kinda sad |
| 02:01.51 | alpha1-3 | how much are in your group? |
| 02:01.56 | JeffM | just me |
| 02:02.13 | alpha1-3 | and in the others? |
| 02:02.26 | JeffM | 1 to 2 |
| 02:02.44 | alpha1-3 | ah, very small groups :P |
| 02:02.48 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:02.59 | JeffM | there are only 10 people in the class |
| 02:03.37 | alpha1-3 | maybe it would be better 3 or more people by group |
| 02:03.57 | alpha1-3 | 3 +3 +4 for example |
| 02:04.06 | JeffM | yeah they should have grouped up more |
| 02:04.18 | alpha1-3 | but I don't know well :P |
| 02:04.34 | alpha1-3 | the experience is more rich |
| 02:04.41 | JeffM | for some |
| 02:05.01 | JeffM | I was sick of group projects, and designed my project around the fact that I was doing it alone |
| 02:05.35 | alpha1-3 | ahh, yeah, sometimes the groups are problematics |
| 02:05.50 | alpha1-3 | or the teammates |
| 02:05.53 | alpha1-3 | some |
| 02:07.08 | alpha1-3 | but anyways very few people, maybe it is good to have 1 person /group too I don't know |
| 02:07.38 | JeffM | people had the option of solo or group |
| 02:07.45 | alpha1-3 | ah ok |
| 02:08.17 | JeffM | the guy presenting now is just reading the slides in his presentation of a super overly complex racing game that he didn't even start |
| 02:08.36 | alpha1-3 | are you inside the room listening? |
| 02:09.33 | alpha1-3 | that is bad :P (not even coded) |
| 02:09.41 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:09.48 | alpha1-3 | pure ideas... |
| 02:10.04 | JeffM | the class is bored |
| 02:10.04 | blast007 | if that's all it took to pass that class, I'd be set! |
| 02:10.13 | alpha1-3 | is it allowed without demos? |
| 02:10.20 | JeffM | he's going to fail |
| 02:10.27 | JeffM | a couple of them will |
| 02:11.31 | JeffM | he just really likes talking about cars and dosn't realize he hasn't made a game |
| 02:13.37 | JeffM | his presentation is full of car babble and and art from google image search |
| 02:14.17 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:14.30 | JeffM | "All the cars will look like the warthog from halo" |
| 02:14.37 | JeffM | I wanted to respond with "Of course" |
| 02:17.37 | JeffM | and the instructor keeps asking "do you have anything at all to show us, even if it dosn't work" |
| 02:18.26 | blast007 | "I have these pictures of cars from google image search!" |
| 02:18.49 | JeffM | bassicly |
| 02:19.15 | JeffM | he described his UI concept by using one from an existing game |
| 02:19.16 | JeffM | and keeps using references that nobody gets |
| 02:26.27 | JeffM | and what's super sad is all he can show is us a broken version of one of the book's samples |
| 02:28.22 | alpha1-3 | Sorry the delay, finding all the info... BTW car racing game, I was looking today at this very good 3D engine, MIT license last time released under, and there is a car game made with it very very nice too |
| 02:28.30 | alpha1-3 | http://www.garagegames.com/products/torque-3d |
| 02:28.32 | alpha1-3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAdsW6AckiE |
| 02:28.33 | alpha1-3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PJmBQuVP9M |
| 02:28.34 | alpha1-3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X77cThD4vj8 |
| 02:28.36 | alpha1-3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Z5d7_4QUI |
| 02:28.38 | alpha1-3 | the 2 demos are made with PhysX too I think though (NVidia proprietary realtime physics engine middleware SDK), but they are impressives, have a look when you can! |
| 02:34.32 | alpha1-3 | the only little problem I found is that it has relation with php5 that has PHP License; Free Software but not compatible with GPL (I understand only because it is forbidden to use the "PHP" word in the program name) |
| 02:34.36 | alpha1-3 | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#PHP-3.01 |
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| 02:57.16 | JeffM | in the class we have to use Unity, and there are several examples of car simulations using the internal engine |
| 03:00.30 | alpha1-3 | oh prop. soft. :P |
| 03:00.36 | JeffM | yup |
| 03:00.41 | JeffM | but it's REALLLY gool |
| 03:00.44 | JeffM | cool |
| 03:01.43 | alpha1-3 | you showed here time ago a little city (houses, cameras) made with that? |
| 03:02.08 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:02.13 | JeffM | that was a demo proejct |
| 03:02.20 | alpha1-3 | nice |
| 03:03.26 | JeffM | this is my current proejct http://www.invertedpolarity.com/unity/quest/ |
| 03:04.26 | alpha1-3 | is it in flash? I can't see it |
| 03:05.03 | alpha1-3 | Unity Web Player |
| 03:06.46 | JeffM | no it's in the unity web player |
| 03:06.54 | alpha1-3 | ah I see |
| 03:06.57 | JeffM | let me find the linux link |
| 03:08.14 | alpha1-3 | no matter, pay attention to yours |
| 03:08.21 | alpha1-3 | I ll find |
| 03:08.39 | JeffM | this is my current proejct http://www.invertedpolarity.com/unity/quest/QuestLinux.tar.bz2 |
| 03:09.24 | alpha1-3 | cool linux package :) |
| 03:10.10 | alpha1-3 | or source |
| 03:10.33 | JeffM | the source is in github |
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| 03:11.13 | JeffM | https://github.com/JeffM2501/CSC370/tree/master/FinalProject |
| 03:12.01 | alpha1-3 | oh executable |
| 03:12.45 | JeffM | yeah it should run on linux |
| 03:13.19 | JeffM | it ran for some other people |
| 03:13.26 | alpha1-3 | I have aborted message, but don't worry |
| 03:14.20 | alpha1-3 | Set current directory to /home/nb_j/Descargas/017--JeffM--project/QuestLinux |
| 03:14.21 | alpha1-3 | Found path: /home/nb_j/Descargas/017--JeffM--project/QuestLinux/Quest.x86_64 |
| 03:14.23 | alpha1-3 | Mono path[0] = '/home/nb_j/Descargas/017--JeffM--project/QuestLinux/Quest_Data/Managed' |
| 03:14.29 | alpha1-3 | Mono path[1] = '/home/nb_j/Descargas/017--JeffM--project/QuestLinux/Quest_Data/Mono' |
| 03:14.30 | alpha1-3 | Mono config path = '/home/nb_j/Descargas/017--JeffM--project/QuestLinux/Quest_Data/Mono/etc' |
| 03:14.32 | alpha1-3 | Abortado |
| 03:14.56 | alpha1-3 | --> Aborted |
| 03:15.07 | alpha1-3 | but don't worry |
| 03:15.13 | alpha1-3 | I will see the src |
| 03:16.07 | JeffM | wierd |
| 03:16.23 | JeffM | did you extract the data folder too? |
| 03:16.27 | JeffM | or just the exe? |
| 03:16.35 | alpha1-3 | what microchip AMD or Intel? |
| 03:16.52 | JeffM | that's suposed to be a 64 bit build |
| 03:17.47 | alpha1-3 | I don't have .exes here, but the linux executable file and the sub folders (tar package) |
| 03:18.46 | alpha1-3 | http://pastebin.com/4SudfBv3 |
| 03:19.05 | JeffM | yeah that's still an 'executable' :) |
| 03:19.42 | alpha1-3 | :) I thuoght .exe file |
| 03:19.45 | alpha1-3 | u meant |
| 03:19.58 | alpha1-3 | don't worry please |
| 03:20.10 | alpha1-3 | other day :) |
| 03:21.25 | JeffM | I still haven't presented yet |
| 03:21.30 | JeffM | one more to go |
| 03:21.42 | alpha1-3 | ok ok np, be quiet |
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| 04:20.25 | JeffM | there we go. all done |
| 04:20.38 | alpha1-2 | good one! |
| 04:20.59 | alpha1-2 | have a* |
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| 19:32.03 | randomparticle | i think checkHit in SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx might still contain an error |
| 19:32.59 | randomparticle | the position it calculates is wrong (under the comment "compute position of intersection") |
| 19:37.47 | randomparticle | replace this: position[2] = tankPos[2] + closestPos[2]; |
| 19:38.15 | randomparticle | with this: position[2] = tankPos[2] + 0.5f * tankHeight + closestPos[2]; |
| 19:38.58 | randomparticle | closestPos is calculated relative to the tank centre, not the tank base |
| 19:41.05 | randomparticle | checkHit is broken in other ways, but that's the easiest problem to explain/fix |
| 19:42.46 | JeffM | or just make the game use bullet for it |
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| 23:47.39 | Zac_ | g'day |
| 23:48.18 | alpha1-2 | g'night :P |
| 23:48.55 | Zac_ | :) |
| 23:50.42 | alpha1-2 | BTW, IIRC you never say "goodnight" until you don't go to sleep, right? |
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| 23:51.43 | alpha1-2 | here we say it at night as an usual greeting |
| 23:55.02 | Zac_ | well |
| 23:55.06 | Zac_ | we pose it as a question |
| 23:55.09 | Zac_ | for example |
| 23:55.12 | Zac_ | good night aye? |
| 23:58.19 | alpha1-2 | ahh, but never as a greeting but only as I said before, right? |
| 23:58.25 | Zac_ | no |
| 23:58.27 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 23:58.40 | Zac_ | we would say, good evening |
| 23:58.53 | Zac_ | or just g'day :) |
| 23:59.12 | alpha1-2 | I think that because you all go sleep early... Here we go sleep later, so... |
| 23:59.46 | alpha1-2 | yes, good evening, I saw that :) |