| 00:00.20 | khonkhortisan | a double update can download malware, then hide it after it runs |
| 00:00.28 | alpha1-2 | what that means? propietary? |
| 00:00.36 | alpha1-2 | mods* |
| 00:00.39 | khonkhortisan | you can buy it, and you can't get the source code |
| 00:00.46 | alpha1-2 | oh no confused with roms :P |
| 00:00.47 | JeffM | I see no mention of a scripting system so I assume that means they download and run code |
| 00:01.01 | alpha1-2 | mods are like maps righ? |
| 00:01.08 | JeffM | I dobut it |
| 00:02.16 | alpha1-2 | no, khon , it is GPL too, they *need* to have the source |
| 00:02.25 | alpha1-2 | or do you mean th mods? |
| 00:03.07 | alpha1-2 | "Programmed in C/C++ " OFC! |
| 00:03.29 | alpha1-2 | "MS Visual Studio .NET and GCC Compilers. " coincidence :) |
| 00:03.31 | JeffM | mods are downloaded, how do you know they are actualy what the code says |
| 00:03.47 | JeffM | are they paying you to shill the game in other project channels? |
| 00:03.58 | alpha1-2 | many things in common eh?? :) |
| 00:04.13 | JeffM | well what else would they use? |
| 00:04.22 | blast007 | butterflies |
| 00:04.27 | JeffM | there really is only one common way to make a cross platform game |
| 00:04.30 | alpha1-2 | i talk in general, many things in common |
| 00:04.50 | alpha1-2 | the several technologies |
| 00:04.54 | blast007 | "Oh wow, you guys make your game with programming too? We have so much in common!" |
| 00:05.00 | alpha1-2 | not just 1 line of that ;) |
| 00:05.14 | alpha1-2 | ok, let me check, guys |
| 00:05.20 | alpha1-2 | I will give you a lot... |
| 00:05.32 | blast007 | nah, don't bother ;) |
| 00:05.35 | JeffM | please don't |
| 00:05.38 | alpha1-2 | you challenge me! |
| 00:05.39 | JeffM | yes they use SDL |
| 00:05.42 | JeffM | no we don't |
| 00:05.52 | JeffM | it's a common toolset they used |
| 00:05.54 | alpha1-2 | LOL |
| 00:05.58 | JeffM | SDL, SDL net, openAL |
| 00:07.47 | alpha1-2 | sourceforge, C/C++, MS VS /GCC compilers, OpenGL, cross platform, SDL? yes, OPENAL ? dunno think yes, wxwin ? no, freetype? I guess, zlib maybe |
| 00:08.07 | alpha1-2 | almost all development features |
| 00:08.13 | alpha1-2 | tech * |
| 00:08.14 | JeffM | again that's a SUPER common toolset |
| 00:08.25 | JeffM | like any modern open source game |
| 00:08.43 | JeffM | and no we don't use openAL |
| 00:08.45 | alpha1-2 | ofc we are talking of FLOSS |
| 00:08.50 | alpha1-2 | not propietary |
| 00:08.52 | JeffM | and we don't use SDL on windows |
| 00:08.59 | blast007 | we don't use openal or wxWindows, nor freetype (2.99.x did use FTGL, but we haven't ported that back to anything else) |
| 00:09.04 | alpha1-2 | well, terrain is very different i guess |
| 00:09.12 | JeffM | it's a different game, so.. yeah |
| 00:09.18 | alpha1-2 | they use a lot of mountains |
| 00:09.24 | alpha1-2 | yes |
| 00:09.30 | alpha1-2 | and maybe the tanks dont moves |
| 00:09.32 | JeffM | yeh we don't use libMountain |
| 00:09.36 | JeffM | they don't |
| 00:09.36 | alpha1-2 | just shoot |
| 00:09.49 | JeffM | gameplay takes place in a plane |
| 00:09.54 | alpha1-2 | yes |
| 00:10.17 | blast007 | whereas our gameplay takes place in a tank |
| 00:10.19 | alpha1-2 | although A A bridge crossing has some very nice mountains ;) |
| 00:10.36 | JeffM | those are meshes not heightmaps |
| 00:11.04 | alpha1-2 | you are th tech 3D guy here , I won't discuss that ;) |
| 00:11.33 | alpha1-2 | what are heightmaps? |
| 00:11.34 | JeffM | heightmaps are a common way to do terrain |
| 00:11.48 | alpha1-2 | oh |
| 00:11.51 | khonkhortisan | they make caves impossible |
| 00:11.54 | JeffM | you store a 2d bitmap and the color of each pixel is the hieght |
| 00:12.01 | alpha1-2 | oh |
| 00:12.07 | alpha1-2 | i see |
| 00:12.10 | JeffM | yeah they are not perfect but they work for many needs |
| 00:12.15 | khonkhortisan | I have a racing game that can't have surfaces go past vertical |
| 00:12.29 | alpha1-2 | do yo think that they are using heighmaps? |
| 00:12.41 | khonkhortisan | yes. All the land falls. |
| 00:13.03 | khonkhortisan | unless you changed subject when I wasn't looking |
| 00:13.19 | blast007 | yeah, we're talking about bacon now, khonkhortisan |
| 00:13.23 | Erroneous | caves are not impossible with heightmaps. if you use multiple channels you can represent multiple surfaces. |
| 00:13.25 | JeffM | they say they use heightmaps |
| 00:13.54 | khonkhortisan | In that case, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CErapf79rqM |
| 00:14.05 | alpha1-2 | but nice comparaison anyways no? :) |
| 00:14.21 | blast007 | alpha1-2: what comparison? |
| 00:14.24 | alpha1-2 | it must be from the same stage or older |
| 00:14.53 | alpha1-2 | these two games |
| 00:15.33 | alpha1-2 | it is for encouraging for me |
| 00:15.43 | alpha1-2 | the comparaison |
| 00:15.49 | alpha1-2 | we are not aone! |
| 00:15.52 | alpha1-2 | alone* |
| 00:16.00 | alpha1-2 | other are doing it well as us! |
| 00:16.43 | blast007 | so, they're doing horrible? |
| 00:16.44 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:17.34 | alpha1-2 | JeffM: oh Terrain data stored in a height map. |
| 00:17.47 | alpha1-2 | you know about ;) |
| 00:17.50 | blast007 | I played this game in middle school: http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/system_6_hell#cannon_fodder |
| 00:18.56 | khonkhortisan | that took me to brickles |
| 00:19.13 | alpha1-2 | <blast007> so, they're doing horrible? <-- bad bad bad you |
| 00:19.20 | blast007 | alpha1-2 ;D |
| 00:19.27 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 00:19.42 | alpha1-2 | i said you, yo are becoming old too fast ;) |
| 00:19.46 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: they probably don't have the size specified for their images, so it scrolled before they were all loaded |
| 00:20.12 | khonkhortisan | or I blocked an ad |
| 00:20.12 | khonkhortisan | it worked the second time |
| 00:20.33 | alpha1-2 | you are becoming a grumble man so fast! |
| 00:21.29 | blast007 | *grumble* |
| 00:21.52 | alpha1-2 | watch! you can shoot throw the big sign! |
| 00:22.04 | khonkhortisan | shooting is not throwing |
| 00:22.08 | alpha1-2 | Flash app |
| 00:22.27 | alpha1-2 | to* |
| 00:22.38 | khonkhortisan | through? |
| 00:22.45 | alpha1-2 | maybe |
| 00:23.21 | alpha1-2 | blast007: Cannon Fodder is similar yes! |
| 00:24.15 | alpha1-2 | you should do something shoot feature to th BZ sign blast! |
| 00:24.39 | alpha1-2 | if not i will change to Scorched 3D! |
| 00:24.50 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 00:24.53 | blast007 | k, cya, have fun in Scorched 3D |
| 00:24.59 | alpha1-2 | ha ha ha |
| 00:25.17 | alpha1-2 | well nice game it seems (Scorched) |
| 00:25.26 | alpha1-2 | but I prefer BZ :P |
| 00:26.39 | alpha1-2 | *grumbling* |
| 00:27.30 | alpha1-2 | niec |
| 00:27.32 | alpha1-2 | http://atanks.sourceforge.net/Screenshots/scrnshot29.png |
| 00:28.04 | alpha1-2 | http://atanks.sourceforge.net/Screenshots/scrnshot27.png |
| 00:28.13 | alpha1-2 | http://atanks.sourceforge.net/Screenshots/scrnshot28.png |
| 00:28.16 | alpha1-2 | nostalgic! |
| 00:38.57 | alpha1-2 | blast007: ahh I remember, the turret deffenders map has an agle shooting like yu said :) |
| 00:39.20 | alpha1-2 | kinda |
| 00:39.40 | alpha1-2 | smart map |
| 00:40.34 | alpha1-2 | and original BTW |
| 00:46.15 | blast007 | that uses a world weapon |
| 00:46.36 | alpha1-2 | ohhh |
| 00:46.47 | alpha1-2 | for all the turrets shots? |
| 00:47.33 | JeffM | any shot not made by a tank is a world weapon |
| 00:48.03 | khonkhortisan | that includes shots that come from the tank, but not from the turret. |
| 00:48.10 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:48.21 | JeffM | any shot that is not the ONE shot made by the tank when hitting fire |
| 00:48.31 | JeffM | for now at least |
| 00:48.38 | alpha1-2 | oh... like Lavender Town HIX and Apoc..... we will need add some gravity shot effect to emulate Scorched then :) |
| 00:48.54 | JeffM | the client dosn't have the ability to do that |
| 00:48.59 | khonkhortisan | those are custom flags tied to world weapons through a server-side plugin |
| 00:49.06 | alpha1-2 | "up and down" :) |
| 00:49.12 | JeffM | nope |
| 00:49.23 | khonkhortisan | vertical aiming is an idea that has been shot _down_. |
| 00:50.02 | khonkhortisan | the closest we have is vertical velocity, wings, and stepped hills with the variable that lets you climb walls, and slanted invisible drive-through walls. |
| 00:50.36 | alpha1-2 | Tim restriction? |
| 00:50.41 | JeffM | if I can swing it you may be able to do more in 2.6 |
| 00:50.57 | JeffM | alpha1-2, it's a design choice |
| 00:51.16 | JeffM | adding another axis for input complicates a lot of things |
| 00:51.26 | alpha1-2 | adding huge vertical velocity? |
| 00:51.45 | JeffM | no, not the physics of it, the user input aspect |
| 00:51.59 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 00:52.07 | JeffM | a mouse dosn't have 3 axes :) |
| 00:52.20 | alpha1-2 | how many axes now? 2? |
| 00:52.26 | JeffM | yup |
| 00:52.28 | JeffM | H and V |
| 00:52.32 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 00:52.48 | JeffM | keyboard would also be odd and touchy |
| 00:53.30 | JeffM | it would make everyone use WADS and mouse to get the extra axis |
| 00:53.40 | JeffM | turrets give you 4 axes and make it worse |
| 00:54.23 | alpha1-2 | I remember a im restriction (good BTW) that disallows making the canon turning |
| 00:54.27 | alpha1-2 | Tim* |
| 00:54.42 | JeffM | it's for those reasons |
| 00:54.48 | JeffM | it's a design choice he sticks to |
| 00:54.57 | alpha1-2 | so other siilar restriction would be making thw cannon go up and down yes |
| 00:55.37 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:55.37 | alpha1-2 | like scorched |
| 00:55.47 | JeffM | we have no need to emulate that game |
| 00:55.52 | JeffM | if you want to play that game... play that game |
| 00:56.00 | alpha1-2 | yes, just imaginating it... |
| 00:56.19 | alpha1-2 | ok, I go out and I come back.... wait me..... |
| 00:56.35 | alpha1-2 | he he |
| 00:56.42 | JeffM | nope |
| 00:56.50 | alpha1-2 | is enjoying Scorching tanks right now.... |
| 00:57.02 | JeffM | seriously, how much are they paying you? |
| 00:57.09 | alpha1-2 | he he |
| 00:57.19 | alpha1-2 | you are more grumbling than blast eh!!!! |
| 00:57.33 | JeffM | well one of us has to win |
| 00:57.33 | alpha1-2 | and that is too much already!!! |
| 00:58.17 | alpha1-2 | we are not fighting, we are discussing for do the game better (and the world ;) |
| 00:58.24 | alpha1-2 | doing* |
| 00:58.32 | JeffM | who said anything about fighting |
| 00:58.50 | alpha1-2 | it seems sometimes :) |
| 00:59.31 | alpha1-2 | we are not reds vs prples... we are in the sam team ;) |
| 00:59.43 | alpha1-2 | and i love this KB! |
| 00:59.56 | JeffM | well.. except that you don't want to write code for bzflag ;) |
| 01:00.03 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 01:00.25 | alpha1-2 | i am ding it step by step, little by little, give me 10 years and you will see |
| 01:00.53 | alpha1-2 | me and Snake will be supercodes!!! |
| 01:00.59 | alpha1-2 | coders* |
| 01:02.16 | alpha1-2 | I think that I talk a lot too.... sometimes :P |
| 01:02.50 | alpha1-2 | these 2 weeks were looong! |
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| 04:43.35 | alpha1-2 | In Windows, after u install any application, do you need always the shortcut to run that or you can call it from any folder (it is in your PATH)? |
| 04:44.29 | alpha1-2 | (I don't remember well :P) |
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| 20:04.17 | alpha1-2_away | JeffM an his multiple personalities :) |
| 20:06.11 | JeffM__ | no just lots of network reconnects as this laptop tries to synch to a chromecast |
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| 20:06.50 | alpha1-2_away | cromecast? |
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| 20:07.02 | alpha1-2_away | chromecast* |
| 20:07.25 | JeffM | yup |
| 20:08.05 | alpha1-2_away | for online music and video? |
| 20:08.17 | JeffM | suposedly |
| 20:08.47 | alpha1-2_away | and what is that related to the chat? |
| 20:09.17 | JeffM | it's related to WIFI |
| 20:10.20 | JeffM | the chromecast has it's own wifi you connect to , so it disconnected my main one |
| 20:10.26 | alpha1-2_away | ohh, I missed the "as", I thought "AND this laptop..." |
| 20:11.01 | alpha1-2_away | just auto nick changes |
| 20:11.48 | alpha1-2_away | I thought that you was changing between some machines |
| 20:12.47 | JeffM | nope |
| 20:12.58 | alpha1-2_away | chromecast weird thing for me :P (I don't knowit) |
| 20:13.29 | alpha1-2_away | you use it for your TV right? |
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| 20:16.48 | alpha1-2_away | s/changing/switching/ |
| 20:17.49 | alpha1-2_away | BTW have you seen the sed version for windows? interesting, I didn't know it |
| 20:18.20 | alpha1-2_away | and yuo don't need to install other programs/environment |
| 20:19.19 | JeffM | why would I need a command line text editor on windows? |
| 20:19.24 | JeffM | windows is not unix |
| 20:19.34 | alpha1-2_away | here you have other useful packages |
| 20:19.38 | alpha1-2_away | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages.html |
| 20:20.29 | JeffM | sure if you ruto use windows like unix, but that is silly |
| 20:20.33 | blast007 | JeffM: sed isn't a text editor, it's for doing stuff like regex substitutions |
| 20:20.51 | JeffM | use powershell |
| 20:21.00 | JeffM | or iron python |
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| 20:21.55 | alpha1-2_away | for example, instead of a wholeCygwin |
| 20:22.11 | JeffM | again using windows like unix ;) |
| 20:22.38 | alpha1-2_away | it was useful fo me for doing text conversions (using only the sed program as command line) |
| 20:22.44 | JeffM | if I want an OS that works like unix I'll use linux or reboot to OSX |
| 20:24.50 | alpha1-2_away | what do you think of MSDOS commands? are they offering powerful tools nowadays? (just curiosity) |
| 20:25.11 | JeffM | most windows users do not use the command line |
| 20:25.17 | JeffM | those that do tend to use powershell |
| 20:26.42 | alpha1-2_away | ok, I didn't know it. But, in my punctual case I just used "sed for windows" :). |
| 20:26.58 | alpha1-2_away | it seems useful BTW (Powershell) |
| 20:27.39 | alpha1-2_away | oops "Microsoft CLUF (EULA)" License... I can't use it on Wine :P |
| 20:27.50 | alpha1-2_away | he he he |
| 20:28.16 | JeffM | you would never need to use it with wine, on linux you have your own shell |
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| 20:28.39 | alpha1-2_away | but in the case that I am testing som Windows soft from Win... yes ;) |
| 20:28.47 | alpha1-2_away | Wine* |
| 20:28.56 | JeffM | wine is not intened to be a QA system for windows |
| 20:29.00 | JeffM | just dual boot windows |
| 20:29.35 | alpha1-2_away | but if you don't have it?.... I am not taking of a whole QA system ofc! :) |
| 20:29.42 | alpha1-2_away | talking* |
| 20:29.43 | JeffM | yes you are |
| 20:29.56 | JeffM | you are trying to use wine to prove that your system works on windows |
| 20:30.01 | JeffM | that is very bad testing |
| 20:30.08 | alpha1-2_away | just an aproximate test, like I am ding with a simple script, man! :) |
| 20:30.20 | JeffM | if you don't have windows don't try to develop systems for windows |
| 20:30.22 | alpha1-2_away | don't go to extreme |
| 20:30.23 | JeffM | or get windows |
| 20:30.43 | JeffM | are you a student? |
| 20:30.56 | alpha1-2_away | and I am pending of other Windows tester (1 working already) :) ofc |
| 20:31.06 | alpha1-2_away | *really Windows testers* |
| 20:31.42 | alpha1-2_away | but my base script was made in Wine and it worked! |
| 20:31.54 | alpha1-2_away | just except LibreOffice feature |
| 20:32.17 | blast007 | what is libreoffice used for? converting the HTML to PDF? |
| 20:32.36 | alpha1-2_away | almost it works (the suite) but I hae to continue testing if the whole suite works in Wine (MS Office does!) |
| 20:32.45 | blast007 | I just see there being too many steps for all this |
| 20:33.56 | alpha1-2_away | yes, I commented it to you before... it is a good command line tool (the call doesn't run the whole GUI application) |
| 20:34.18 | alpha1-2_away | and the converter is well maintained (LibreOffice team) |
| 20:34.31 | alpha1-2_away | so the result is one of the bst that you can have |
| 20:35.08 | alpha1-2_away | I just do "./logconverter.sh" in a console and it gives me *quickly* a HTML and a PDF file :) |
| 20:35.27 | alpha1-2_away | it's great! :) |
| 20:35.49 | alpha1-2_away | (not because I did it BTW he he he, just it's useful) |
| 20:36.45 | alpha1-2_away | the Libreoffice part takes a 3 seconds in run aprox. |
| 20:38.25 | blast007 | just seems lot a lot just to give someone logs.. |
| 20:39.39 | alpha1-2_away | yes, the other way is to read the plain txt logs (/savemsgs -s command) as it is commented in the post too |
| 20:40.35 | alpha1-2_away | but they are *uncolored* and, with all the server messages included, it becomes very harder to read |
| 20:41.01 | alpha1-2_away | *to reading it* |
| 20:41.12 | alpha1-2_away | or them* |
| 20:43.39 | alpha1-2_away | JeffM: I have done half of one Uni career (still pendent) |
| 20:43.57 | JeffM | then you should be able to get windows for fre |
| 20:44.00 | JeffM | free |
| 20:44.01 | alpha1-2_away | pendant* |
| 20:44.19 | alpha1-2_away | yes its true |
| 20:44.26 | JeffM | then install it :) |
| 20:44.30 | alpha1-2_away | :P |
| 20:44.52 | alpha1-2_away | I have abandoned Windows software from a long time ago :P |
| 20:45.11 | alpha1-2_away | but I don't discard it at all ofc :) |
| 20:45.35 | JeffM | then don't discard all of it,keep a VM arround for testing |
| 20:45.41 | alpha1-2_away | and i don't want to offense anybody here neither |
| 20:46.22 | alpha1-2_away | yes, maybe :)... but it will give me some work fo now :P |
| 20:46.30 | JeffM | it's your projet, you test it how you want, but to do real testing you'd want to use a real install of windows |
| 20:47.04 | blast007 | alpha1-2_away: how much RAM you got? |
| 20:47.54 | alpha1-2_away | I have a Windows 98 system installed in 1 client using VirtualBox already :) |
| 20:48.06 | JeffM | dude... |
| 20:48.10 | JeffM | get 7 and use that |
| 20:49.45 | alpha1-2_away | that client has a *valuable* original "Full" Win 98 version bought (that version that you can install in any machine)... so I made advantage of it :) |
| 20:50.18 | JeffM | you have access to a full windows 7 pro license that you can install on any machine |
| 20:50.31 | JeffM | dreamspark gives you ALL versions of windows |
| 20:51.05 | alpha1-2_away | I know... but for now I have to reschedule my career |
| 20:51.22 | JeffM | huh? |
| 20:51.22 | blast007 | if they have dreamspark |
| 20:51.23 | alpha1-2_away | but I don't discard doing it thaks |
| 20:51.30 | alpha1-2_away | thanks* |
| 20:51.57 | JeffM | your job options will be limitd if you only know 98 |
| 20:52.21 | blast007 | nah, see, once you builds that time machine, he'll be ahead of the curve |
| 20:52.25 | blast007 | once he* |
| 20:52.33 | alpha1-2_away | I have to rescheduling it because we had some program changes and I am doing other things too |
| 20:52.35 | JeffM | windows 2098 |
| 20:52.43 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:53.03 | blast007 | I was thinking going *back* in time, but.. sure :P |
| 20:53.19 | alpha1-2_away | I have learned about the other windows versions too ofc! |
| 20:53.23 | JeffM | the only proven time machines are forward |
| 20:53.41 | alpha1-2_away | win 98 is very old (however stil useful) |
| 20:53.47 | alpha1-2_away | I know |
| 20:53.59 | blast007 | still useful for... what? |
| 20:54.02 | JeffM | it probalby won't boot on modern hardware |
| 20:54.11 | blast007 | the only time I install Windows 98 is to see the easter eggs |
| 20:54.50 | alpha1-2_away | my client (person) is using it for an administration system maed by the goverment ;) |
| 20:55.09 | alpha1-2_away | so Win 98 isn't old at all nowadays |
| 20:55.15 | JeffM | cool then your goverment is easy to hack :) |
| 20:55.50 | blast007 | "Launch the nukes!" "Hold on, the command computer just BSODed.. it appears to be an IRQ conflict..." |
| 20:56.24 | JeffM | "Please log in" "Cancel" "Ok I'm in" |
| 20:57.23 | alpha1-2_away | its the "administration" (I dont find any better word) system.... kinda balance sheet... what's the name there? |
| 20:57.39 | JeffM | acounting |
| 20:57.41 | JeffM | even worse |
| 20:59.55 | alpha1-2_away | but for sending reports to the central finance centre (how do you call it there) |
| 21:00.04 | alpha1-2_away | ? |
| 21:00.17 | alpha1-2_away | "control" |
| 21:00.36 | alpha1-2_away | not for have your accounting system |
| 21:00.42 | alpha1-2_away | having* |
| 21:01.31 | alpha1-2_away | some yars ago it was tending to converting in Free Software, but it was stopped for some weird reason... |
| 21:02.33 | alpha1-2_away | and the I think that many older systems (still running) are made for running in Win 98 compatibility way |
| 21:02.48 | alpha1-2_away | the own law says it! |
| 21:03.16 | alpha1-2_away | then* |
| 21:04.00 | alpha1-2_away | (and note that Win 98 isn't still Win NT compatible) |
| 21:04.23 | JeffM | no its not, it's hybrid kernel |
| 21:04.31 | JeffM | hence it's horribleness |
| 21:04.46 | alpha1-2_away | better han 95 I think however |
| 21:04.49 | alpha1-2_away | than* |
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| 21:07.42 | alpha1-2_away | <blast007> alpha1-2_away: how much RAM you got? <-- that machine runs openSUSE 12.1 and VirtualBox for the adm system and has just 1 GB but I have to upgrade to 2 at least. It works however. |
| 21:08.02 | JeffM | not by any real ammount |
| 21:08.20 | JeffM | is it a 32 bit machine? |
| 21:08.31 | alpha1-2_away | no 64 I think (ADM iirc) |
| 21:08.46 | JeffM | AMD you mean |
| 21:08.52 | JeffM | then load that up with 4 |
| 21:08.55 | JeffM | or 8 |
| 21:09.01 | JeffM | use the CPU :) |
| 21:09.34 | alpha1-2_away | RAM DDR2 |
| 21:09.46 | alpha1-2_away | AMD* |
| 21:11.07 | JeffM | 8 gigs of DDR2 is only 150$ |
| 21:11.32 | JeffM | 4 gigs is about 65$ |
| 21:12.18 | alpha1-2_away | yes, it can be |
| 21:12.27 | JeffM | sodimms are about the same |
| 21:12.29 | alpha1-2_away | but remember that Im not in US ;) |
| 21:12.57 | JeffM | I know, should not be THAT bad |
| 21:14.32 | alpha1-2_away | official dollar exchange 5.5/1 , unofficial 8,5/1 :), but not too expensive though (the RAMs) |
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| 21:15.07 | alpha1-2_away | good tip, thanks |
| 21:15.13 | alpha1-2_away | point* |
| 21:17.33 | alpha1-2_away | goes to eat something... |
| 21:25.11 | alpha1-2_away | and thinking in the government system, iirc, it is both Win XP and Win 98 compatable |
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| 21:37.12 | blast007 | just because it's a 64-bit CPU doesn't necessarily mean the system can use more than 2GB |
| 21:37.43 | blast007 | I have some systems at work with AMD Athlon 64 X2's, and they only support 2GB of RAM (2 x 1GB sticks) |
| 21:41.06 | alpha1-2_away | yes, maybe too, I have to check th motherboard manual BTW |
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| 22:17.20 | alpha1-2_away | Note: don't think that the Argentine economy is direclty related to 5,5/1 or 8,5/1 equations :). The costs feelings aren't *only* based in the money exchanges. |
| 22:22.38 | alpha1-2_away | and the money exchanges aren't always 1/1 related neither |
| 22:23.24 | alpha1-2_away | Well, economy is complex! |
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| 22:38.13 | alpha1-2_away | Oh, I forgot make the announcement here: Windows script added, finally! Try it! :) |
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| 22:38.25 | alpha1-2_away | http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18559#p166697 |
| 22:56.04 | alpha1-2 | I added just before this, it's interesting: |
| 22:56.10 | alpha1-2 | Other useful tools: |
| 22:56.11 | alpha1-2 | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:56.12 | alpha1-2 | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages.html |
| 22:56.14 | alpha1-2 | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htm |
| 22:57.05 | blast007 | ... |
| 22:57.30 | alpha1-2 | Don't worry I won't do it in other channels, just here :) |
| 22:57.38 | blast007 | because one URL to that wasn't enough, we needed three |
| 22:57.52 | blast007 | and you already linked that earlier |
| 22:58.05 | blast007 | gettin' spammy |
| 22:59.04 | alpha1-2 | because the second link has dozens of programs, then I wanted to highlight the "coreutils" one (see it, it's very useful) |
| 22:59.55 | alpha1-2 | and yu don't need to install the whole Cygwin :) |
| 23:00.18 | blast007 | you don't need to install *any* cygwin |
| 23:01.17 | alpha1-2 | well, don't become *grumbling* he he he... I just needed for: 1) install only the "sed" tool and 2) almost for using the "cat" one |
| 23:01.50 | blast007 | and people that need it for your script can find out about it from the forum post |
| 23:01.50 | alpha1-2 | but I udesd "type" finally instead of "cat" |
| 23:01.54 | alpha1-2 | used* |
| 23:03.02 | alpha1-2 | as I said in other channel: "true, but I thought that it would be important doing it by chats too (and some people don't check th Forums often)" |
| 23:03.25 | alpha1-2 | don't push me to give examples ;) |
| 23:03.31 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 23:04.29 | alpha1-2 | apart we (in this channel) were discussing a lot yesterday and I wanted to put the final result |
| 23:04.42 | alpha1-2 | for Windows |
| 23:05.13 | blast007 | and you did, and then you posted redundant content here |
| 23:06.12 | alpha1-2 | I had forgotten about "coreutils" link before, sorry |
| 23:06.46 | alpha1-2 | (and in the post) |
| 23:11.47 | alpha1-2 | s/yesterday/today early/ |
| 23:19.50 | alpha1-2 | I am missed :P... it was yesterday |
| 23:20.40 | alpha1-2 | (the web log will appear in 40 minutes aprox.) |
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| 23:38.16 | JeffM | whoof.. .man you are really pushing that thing arn't you? |
| 23:39.04 | alpha1-2 | I finally made the separate version. The package version maybe not, I am not sure still. |
| 23:39.10 | alpha1-2 | divide* |
| 23:39.33 | alpha1-2 | divided* sorry |
| 23:40.17 | blast007 | for only 5 easy payments of $19.95, you can turn ANSI logs from BZFlag into annotated PDF files! Call in the next 20 minutes, and we'll knock off one payment, and give you a free book light! Yes! Our patented easybzlogPDFer for only 4 payments of $19.95, AND A FREE BOOK LIGHT! |
| 23:41.19 | alpha1-2 | wow is it "patented" already? , this is running fast! |
| 23:41.26 | JeffM | 3 days and all that text just for a package chagne.. wow |
| 23:42.29 | alpha1-2 | (remember that it's FLOSS, I couldn't patent it if I would want ;) |
| 23:43.04 | JeffM | not true |
| 23:43.13 | blast007 | well, there's nothing novel to patent here anyways.. but just being open source doesn't prevent patents |
| 23:43.20 | JeffM | anything can be pateneded, you'd just have to grant license |
| 23:43.31 | JeffM | just like you can totaly sell open source software |
| 23:43.37 | JeffM | want to buy a copy of bzflag? |
| 23:43.42 | JeffM | 20$ |
| 23:43.45 | alpha1-2 | wel, it's true that there is a "patent deal" thing going around the world these times.... |
| 23:44.04 | JeffM | nope |
| 23:44.15 | JeffM | all it needs is the proper license |
| 23:44.20 | alpha1-2 | for more info go to www.fsf.org / www.gnu.org sites |
| 23:44.33 | JeffM | I am quite aware of what there license requirements are |
| 23:44.37 | alpha1-2 | it's some complicated though |
| 23:44.41 | JeffM | and how they interact with patents |
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| 23:44.59 | JeffM | it only gets complicated when the licensor is different from the patent holder |
| 23:45.21 | JeffM | if the pattent holder wants to release patened works under an open source license, they have that right |
| 23:45.31 | JeffM | the work is still pattentd, but anyone can use it under license |
| 23:45.37 | alpha1-2 | JeffM: what do you mean with "package change"? |
| 23:46.12 | JeffM | all you've done is change how you are packing up several open source proejcts and some small scripting to hook them together |
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| 23:48.45 | alpha1-2 | blast007: you were really funny :D |
| 23:49.27 | alpha1-2 | JeffM: I'm reading your texts..... |
| 23:50.45 | alpha1-2 | JeffM: I was mening about this |
| 23:50.46 | alpha1-2 | [20:41] <JeffM> 3 days and all that text just for a package chagne.. wow |
| 23:50.59 | JeffM | yes you talk a lot about it! |
| 23:51.03 | JeffM | it's very spammy |
| 23:51.28 | alpha1-2 | I was working in thiese scrips/methode through the last 2 weeks |
| 23:51.44 | alpha1-2 | not just 3 last days |
| 23:51.52 | JeffM | I know |
| 23:52.07 | alpha1-2 | and I put a manual method first that I rewrote completely in the post |
| 23:52.38 | JeffM | forget it |
| 23:52.41 | alpha1-2 | I just tried to think in al posibilities about different kin of users/systems |
| 23:52.47 | JeffM | just tone down the annoucments here |
| 23:52.52 | alpha1-2 | sorry typos |
| 23:52.56 | JeffM | I am fully aware of what you have done |
| 23:53.37 | alpha1-2 | and I am doing announcement here because it is development related, what is the problem? |
| 23:54.16 | JeffM | this isn't a place for annoucments to end users |
| 23:54.27 | JeffM | one post on the forums is fine, we'll all read it there |
| 23:54.56 | alpha1-2 | I have working here just before with other developer |
| 23:55.16 | alpha1-2 | and talking with server owner/admin too |
| 23:55.25 | JeffM | and it's fine to ask questions about it here |
| 23:55.27 | alpha1-2 | *owners/admins* |
| 23:55.31 | JeffM | but not spam announcmentms |
| 23:55.49 | JeffM | it's duplicate data |
| 23:56.50 | alpha1-2 | well, I don't hae the ibot tool for do it (joke) |
| 23:57.05 | blast007 | ~bzfrag alpha1-2 |
| 23:57.05 | infobot | ACTION skewers alpha1-2 with a super bullet |
| 23:57.10 | JeffM | just tone it down a little |
| 23:57.25 | alpha1-2 | ok ok :) |
| 23:57.33 | alpha1-2 | blast007: ouch! |
