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| 03:11.56 | djGrothe | Hello, when I try to start a server, it returns the following error: "Failed (exit = 2)." Is this fixable? |
| 03:17.19 | djGrothe | Also, I cannot login to some servers due to them requiring registration, and even though I have already registered, they still kick me. |
| 03:23.27 | blast007 | djGrothe: hmm, let me see if I can tell what triggers that error code |
| 03:25.55 | blast007 | djGrothe: are you getting that error message when starting a server from the in-game server start menu? |
| 03:26.30 | blast007 | if so, the solution is to not use that horrible menu ;) start the server manually |
| 03:27.06 | djGrothe | how so? |
| 03:28.34 | blast007 | are you on Windows? |
| 03:29.28 | blast007 | some of the info here would be relevant for hosting a local server: http://wiki.bzflag.org/Creating_A_Server |
| 03:29.29 | djGrothe | no, xubuntu |
| 03:29.55 | djGrothe | all I want is to be able to play with bots |
| 03:30.20 | blast007 | go to a terminal and type 'bzfs' |
| 03:30.30 | blast007 | that'll run a barebones server on localhost port 5154 |
| 03:30.44 | blast007 | you can stop it by pressing Ctrl-C on that terminal |
| 03:31.03 | blast007 | you can pass options to it, like say, if you want 5 shots, it would be: bzfs -ms 5 |
| 03:31.06 | blast007 | and so on |
| 03:31.23 | blast007 | you can run 'bzfs -help' and 'man bzfs' for the documentation |
| 03:31.36 | djGrothe | ahhh, I just found the problem |
| 03:31.46 | blast007 | don't have bzfs installed? :) |
| 03:31.52 | djGrothe | The program 'bzfs' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install bzflag-server |
| 03:32.07 | blast007 | regardless, the in-game menu sucks |
| 03:32.36 | djGrothe | How do I make custom maps? |
| 03:32.51 | blast007 | however you want |
| 03:32.54 | blast007 | they're just text files |
| 03:33.16 | djGrothe | and, for my other question? |
| 03:33.46 | blast007 | you are using the forum username and password as the callsign and password in the join menu, correct? |
| 03:33.52 | djGrothe | correct |
| 03:34.28 | blast007 | does it happen consistently on certain servers, or just random overall? |
| 03:34.59 | djGrothe | on any server that requires registration |
| 03:35.07 | Delusional | double check your name/pass |
| 03:35.14 | blast007 | I think all of them do |
| 03:35.33 | blast007 | 2.4 requires identification for registered names |
| 03:35.44 | blast007 | so if your name is registered, you have to identify to play as that name |
| 03:35.55 | djGrothe | all of them? no, I can play on most of them with a random name |
| 03:36.01 | blast007 | well, that's my point... |
| 03:36.20 | blast007 | I guess I should have said they require identification |
| 03:36.34 | djGrothe | what does that mean? |
| 03:36.57 | blast007 | if your name is registered (which you said it is), then you HAVE to provide the correct password to play as that name |
| 03:37.08 | djGrothe | and so I did |
| 03:37.21 | blast007 | perhaps you're behind a broken caching proxy |
| 03:37.23 | blast007 | http://wiki.bzflag.org/Common_Support_Issues#Global_Login_Not_Identifying |
| 03:38.23 | djGrothe | is the name case-sensitive? |
| 03:39.23 | Delusional | No. also, make sure ypur pass works on the BZBB forum |
| 03:43.23 | djGrothe | It says I have an incorrect username. So I must have forgotten it, but it won't let me create a new account with my same email, nor could I find a "forgot username" button. What should I do? |
| 03:46.50 | Delusional | remember the correct username |
| 03:46.58 | Delusional | actually, that doesnt make sense |
| 03:47.28 | Delusional | if you had an incorrect username, you should have no problem signing onto servers |
| 03:47.51 | Delusional | only the correct username requires a correct password to sign on |
| 03:52.06 | blast007 | Delusional: we got it worked out |
| 03:52.17 | djGrothe | thanks though, Delusional |
| 03:52.24 | Delusional | ok |
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| 03:57.29 | djGrothe | the servers now say I need "global authentication" what does this mean? |
| 04:04.13 | blast007 | it means you need to provide the right password on the join menu |
| 04:06.20 | djGrothe | oh dear, I forgot my password too? but I succesfully logged into the forums |
| 04:10.50 | blast007 | it's all the same database |
| 04:11.10 | blast007 | so whatever works on the forum should work in the game |
| 04:11.24 | blast007 | forum username --> in-game callsign |
| 04:11.31 | blast007 | forum password --> in-game password |
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| 22:11.27 | allejo | for the public key needed to appear on the list serv, is a public key needed for each subdomain? |
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| 22:13.49 | blast007 | one for each unique hostname or one for each unique IP (so if the hostnames all point to the same IP, you can make one for the IP and share it) |
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| 22:16.23 | allejo | blast007, thanks |
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| 23:22.58 | drizzo4shizzo | what is the plan to make sure we get all svn commits also applied here? |
| 23:23.14 | JeffM | don't commit to svn |
| 23:23.35 | drizzo4shizzo | I'm not, but I saw some bullet catcher commits |
| 23:23.42 | drizzo4shizzo | July 5 was one |
| 23:23.48 | drizzo4shizzo | I didn't see it in the git repo |
| 23:23.52 | JeffM | the author is suposed to apply them to both |
| 23:23.57 | JeffM | if the new repo needs them |
| 23:24.03 | JeffM | were they SVN properties? |
| 23:24.11 | drizzo4shizzo | good question let me see |
| 23:24.38 | drizzo4shizzo | no this was a commit reverting r11261 to prevent a segfault on Solaris |
| 23:25.33 | JeffM | then git dosn't have it, it's solaris so no biggie |
| 23:26.15 | drizzo4shizzo | but the general idea is nobody is really committing to SVN, or if they are, they should apply as deemed needed to the git repo as wll |
| 23:26.38 | JeffM | new development should happen in git, there is no plan to release another 2.4 compatabile release |
| 23:26.59 | drizzo4shizzo | right, so bugfixes should probably also make it over where possible |
| 23:27.33 | JeffM | I doubt there will be any bugfixes in the 2.4.x line since there will be no release for them |
| 23:27.48 | drizzo4shizzo | except, ahem.. this one or perhaps several |
| 23:28.17 | JeffM | again, solaris. no big loss |
| 23:28.41 | drizzo4shizzo | right |
| 23:29.23 | JeffM | I think there is a single solaris server that runs, and it's run by BulletCatcher, so he'll move that fix if he wants to continue supporting solaris |
| 23:29.34 | drizzo4shizzo | ah I see |
| 23:29.34 | BulletCatcher | indeed |
| 23:30.01 | drizzo4shizzo | oh... hi :-D |
| 23:30.06 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 23:30.26 | JeffM | BulletCatcher also needs to sign the developer agreement |
| 23:31.22 | drizzo4shizzo | one becomes a bz developer by submitting decent pull requests? |
| 23:31.28 | JeffM | sure |
| 23:31.38 | drizzo4shizzo | you know, for a friend ;) |
| 23:31.48 | JeffM | and signing the developer agreement |
| 23:32.32 | BulletCatcher | I have a couple of problems with the propose CLA as it stands. |
| 23:32.40 | JeffM | such as? |
| 23:33.21 | BulletCatcher | First, I find "the current BZFlag copyright holder" to be ambiguous. |
| 23:33.28 | BulletCatcher | Is that just Tim? |
| 23:33.30 | JeffM | k, we can put that it's TimRiker |
| 23:33.30 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:33.39 | JeffM | unless he transfers |
| 23:33.43 | drizzo4shizzo | some call him... Tim? |
| 23:33.50 | BulletCatcher | Mighty Tim. |
| 23:34.25 | JeffM | fixed |
| 23:34.32 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 23:34.44 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: anything besides that? |
| 23:34.55 | drizzo4shizzo | heh wait so... people sign a document that can just get changed afterwards? |
| 23:34.56 | JeffM | blast and I have gone over it several times making edits |
| 23:35.03 | JeffM | drizzo4shizzo, sure clarified |
| 23:35.18 | JeffM | and not many have signed it, that's why we are looking for comments |
| 23:36.23 | BulletCatcher | My other concern is that I don't know if there is any legal standing to the idea that the right to specify a license can be transferred without also transferring copyright ownership. |
| 23:36.58 | JeffM | that part is from the legal org we got the template from |
| 23:37.08 | JeffM | you are granting tim the rights to relicense it |
| 23:37.26 | JeffM | now that may not be legal in some places, but I belive in the US it is |
| 23:37.41 | BulletCatcher | I understand the intent. I'm not sure how that would work, even in the US. |
| 23:37.47 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: the CLA is based on what we got from here: http://www.harmonyagreements.org/ |
| 23:38.01 | JeffM | well it's surely better then the weak thing we have right now |
| 23:38.56 | BulletCatcher | What we have now, I think, is transfer of copyright ownership. |
| 23:38.58 | BulletCatcher | There is plenty of legal precedent for that. |
| 23:39.06 | JeffM | but no agreement |
| 23:39.16 | JeffM | I don't think our wording in devinfo would hold up |
| 23:39.31 | JeffM | we can change the doc to assigment |
| 23:39.36 | JeffM | that's pretty easy |
| 23:39.44 | JeffM | it sucks more for the contributors |
| 23:40.07 | JeffM | But Tim has changed licenses onece already |
| 23:40.18 | BulletCatcher | When was that? |
| 23:40.25 | blast007 | it went from GPL to LGPL |
| 23:40.29 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 23:40.31 | JeffM | we were GPL origonaly and he changed to LGPL |
| 23:40.32 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:40.50 | drizzo4shizzo | dumb question - why did he want to do that |
| 23:40.57 | JeffM | the point of the agreement is to make a transfer of ownership easier if it happens |
| 23:41.09 | JeffM | drizzo4shizzo, to allow closed source components to be used in bzflag |
| 23:41.10 | drizzo4shizzo | was it so he could link other lgpl stuff? |
| 23:41.14 | drizzo4shizzo | ah yes |
| 23:41.33 | JeffM | you can have a closed source plugin |
| 23:41.38 | JeffM | like some of the servers and leagues do |
| 23:41.45 | drizzo4shizzo | so technically he loosened the licensing |
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| 23:41.50 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:41.56 | JeffM | but he still changed it |
| 23:42.10 | JeffM | nobody had an issue with it |
| 23:42.38 | JeffM | and I don't think anyone would have an issue with a transfer, but it's just nicer to have proof that current developers know what they are giving up |
| 23:43.42 | JeffM | if someone were to sue, the cheapest thing for us to do would be to replace the code they have written rather then defend the case |
| 23:44.53 | drizzo4shizzo | anyone got any tips for inducing lag for testing? |
| 23:45.08 | blast007 | heavy drinking? |
| 23:45.12 | drizzo4shizzo | I think it would be cool to have like a #define |
| 23:45.14 | JeffM | just play bzflag |
| 23:45.32 | JeffM | the current networking system isn't threaded so adding lag would not be super easy |
| 23:45.36 | JeffM | it'd be tied to frame rate |
| 23:45.44 | JeffM | we don't have a buffering system anymore |
| 23:45.45 | drizzo4shizzo | well you could saturate the network traffic |
| 23:45.51 | drizzo4shizzo | ie, externally |
| 23:45.59 | drizzo4shizzo | I am listening tho |
| 23:45.59 | JeffM | that makes packetloss usualy not lag |
| 23:46.09 | JeffM | but yes there are many external tools to simulate lag |
| 23:46.29 | blast007 | might even be something built into the linux kernel or the firewall to do such things |
| 23:46.31 | drizzo4shizzo | sounds like some carefully placed sleeps could do it |
| 23:46.45 | JeffM | sure there are lots of ways to do it |
| 23:46.55 | JeffM | if we had a buffered and threaded networking system it'd be cake to do internaly |
| 23:47.56 | drizzo4shizzo | so lag happens when the client sends a bunch of UDP stuff, assumes it got delivered and continues in its main loop? |
| 23:48.11 | JeffM | lag happens because of the speed of light |
| 23:48.16 | JeffM | and networking |
| 23:48.19 | JeffM | AND main loop time |
| 23:48.23 | JeffM | it all adds up |
| 23:48.46 | JeffM | lag happens on TCP and UDP systems |
| 23:48.46 | drizzo4shizzo | but the simple technical definition of what the game considers "lag" is: ______ |
| 23:48.59 | JeffM | the time it takes a packet to get from one computer to another |
| 23:49.16 | JeffM | that time is never 0 |
| 23:49.50 | drizzo4shizzo | saturating the interface seems like a reasonable approach |
| 23:50.04 | JeffM | buffering in better |
| 23:50.13 | JeffM | but do whatever floats your boat |
| 23:50.51 | drizzo4shizzo | I'm really just looking for the simplest solution |
| 23:51.10 | JeffM | go get a network simulation tool |
| 23:51.14 | JeffM | many many exist |
| 23:52.06 | blast007 | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/netem |
| 23:52.13 | blast007 | may need a custom kernel though |
| 23:52.39 | drizzo4shizzo | woah |
| 23:52.47 | drizzo4shizzo | If you run a current 2.6 distribution, (Fedora, OpenSuse, Gentoo, Debian, Mandriva, Ubuntu), then netem is already enabled in the kernel |
| 23:57.21 | drizzo4shizzo | hey it actually works! thanks blast |
| 23:59.12 | BulletCatcher | The Free Software Foundation has a well-established procedure for GNU contributors. |
| 23:59.16 | BulletCatcher | The FSF either requires copyright assignment or that contributions be released into the public domain. |
| 23:59.22 | BulletCatcher | They don't seem to publicize all of their agreeement templates, but http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=gnulib.git;a=tree;f=doc/Copyright has some of them. |
| 23:59.25 | BulletCatcher | https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Legal-Matters has more info. |