| 00:03.40 | Sgeo | There |
| 00:03.50 | Sgeo | There's a different driver that is the same version that isn't beta |
| 00:04.27 | JeffM | if they say you are up to date you probalby are |
| 00:04.33 | JeffM | I'd try to turn SLI off |
| 00:04.45 | JeffM | you should have an nvidia control panel that lets you tweak the 3d settings |
| 00:06.12 | Sgeo | Ok |
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| 00:46.24 | joevano | heya trepan |
| 00:47.44 | trepan | hello |
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| 01:00.31 | Sanctified | I'm glad blast is willing to reconsider the ban ^ ^ |
| 01:00.54 | blast007 | yeah, in a few years |
| 01:01.09 | Sanctified | why not after i return from camp this fall? |
| 01:01.11 | blast007 | in any case, isn't on topic here |
| 01:01.19 | Sanctified | oh |
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| 01:47.57 | tw1sted | Has any progress been made on a group management system? (http://wiki.bzflag.org/Group_Management_System) |
| 01:48.30 | JeffM | I belive blast007 wishes to incorporate it's ideas into the new services system for 2.6 |
| 01:48.51 | tw1sted | will 2.6 be the fork? |
| 01:49.03 | blast007 | not necessarily |
| 01:49.09 | JeffM | we will be keeping the name for now and see how it goes |
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| 01:51.43 | tw1sted | cool. is there a wiki page on the services system? i have some free time and figured id help the project out |
| 01:53.14 | blast007 | I had some rough documentation about it, but not really much of a decent plan yet |
| 01:53.17 | blast007 | https://docs.google.com/document/d/17U4aCSxth8g76qdLZILD6qiUK7QloSnGa2vHdju3oQM/edit |
| 01:53.37 | blast007 | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HdXAOSZWYO-wh3JX-G9NJxNPQv0Ks6azHaGIIgecIKE/edit?usp=sharing |
| 01:59.38 | tw1sted | blast007, why PostgreSQL? |
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| 02:01.50 | drizzo4shizzo | why not postgres |
| 02:02.32 | drizzo4shizzo | postgres has a ton of features. Its a pretty standard choice for RDBMS these days in open source projects |
| 02:02.55 | blast007 | tw1sted: something different, and it has some interesting features like the actual data types for IP addresses |
| 02:03.06 | blast007 | s/like the/like/ |
| 02:03.40 | blast007 | with MySQL, to store an IPv6 address, you'd have to use a string, or four columns of the largest number types |
| 02:03.49 | drizzo4shizzo | I didn't know about the IP addresses type |
| 02:04.05 | blast007 | yeah, it's pretty slick |
| 02:04.12 | tw1sted | postgres has an ipv6 data type as well? |
| 02:04.30 | blast007 | it's just a inet type, and it can handle both IPv4 and IPv6 |
| 02:04.36 | tw1sted | oh cool |
| 02:05.08 | blast007 | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/datatype-net-types.html |
| 02:05.25 | blast007 | they have a ton of data types: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/datatype.html |
| 02:05.39 | drizzo4shizzo | cidr blocks and mac addresses too huh |
| 02:05.43 | blast007 | yup |
| 02:06.13 | drizzo4shizzo | need to refresh on ipv6 |
| 02:06.23 | blast007 | even has support for arrays ;) |
| 02:06.47 | drizzo4shizzo | u lost me |
| 02:07.14 | blast007 | you can store multiple values in a single field |
| 02:07.27 | tw1sted | now that's a great feature |
| 02:07.34 | drizzo4shizzo | heh |
| 02:07.47 | tw1sted | hates storing serialized arrays in mysql |
| 02:07.49 | drizzo4shizzo | i have seen that implemented many times with delimiters... and its always a mistake |
| 02:08.17 | blast007 | yeah, with this you can actually run proper queries on that data |
| 02:09.10 | blast007 | downside is that not everything supports Postgresql, and I don't think there's an easy way to migrate, say, phpBB3 from our MySQL to Postgresql |
| 02:09.26 | blast007 | but, I think it'd be neat to try regardless |
| 02:09.44 | drizzo4shizzo | wouldn't want to get all dependent on these totally not standard features |
| 02:11.30 | tw1sted | "Gmail ignores periods in the first half of the address" |
| 02:11.41 | tw1sted | does it really? so matt.pavia@gmail.com is the same at mattpavia@gmail.com? |
| 02:11.47 | drizzo4shizzo | yes |
| 02:11.50 | tw1sted | WOW |
| 02:11.51 | drizzo4shizzo | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.2/static/arrays.html |
| 02:11.53 | blast007 | yup |
| 02:12.08 | blast007 | and I also think @gmail.com == @googlemail.com |
| 02:12.11 | drizzo4shizzo | with gmail you can also be tw1sted+spam_from_verizon@gmail.com |
| 02:12.23 | drizzo4shizzo | that will go to tw1sted@gmail |
| 02:12.32 | blast007 | well, many email systems allow the user of the +something syntax |
| 02:12.34 | drizzo4shizzo | unfortunately, most web forms do not recognize the + as valid |
| 02:12.48 | tw1sted | wow, learn something knew every day |
| 02:13.01 | tw1sted | and to think i try every so often to register mattpavia@gmail.com :P |
| 02:13.02 | drizzo4shizzo | Ive never used it successfully tho I have tried a few times |
| 02:13.11 | blast007 | I'd probably allow it, but ignore the part from the + up to the @ for comparisons |
| 02:13.57 | drizzo4shizzo | I think its mostly just ppl copying around some javascript routine that doesn't allow it |
| 02:14.41 | drizzo4shizzo | multidimensional array column type thing is kinda messing with my head |
| 02:17.42 | blast007 | or they try to prevent those kinds of email addresses |
| 02:18.10 | blast007 | the format for establishing a valid email address is quite complicated |
| 02:18.36 | blast007 | found a regex for validating emails according to the spec, and it was very, very long |
| 02:19.23 | blast007 | http://stackoverflow.com/a/719543 ;D |
| 02:19.54 | blast007 | I have no idea if that's actually valid or not, and I don't intend on finding out. |
| 02:20.26 | tw1sted | jesus |
| 02:20.43 | blast007 | instead, I'm just going to employ some basic sanity checks. Like.. is there an @ with something before and after? Does the domain part have an MX record? |
| 02:21.22 | blast007 | and I'll initially toss new accounts into a different table until they are activated |
| 02:21.33 | blast007 | makes it easy to purge them without artificially inflating the index of the main table |
| 02:21.46 | blast007 | the primary key I mean |
| 02:21.59 | tw1sted | blast007, on the design document, did you intend for the user to only enter a password upon successfully clicking the confirmation link in the email sent? |
| 02:22.10 | tw1sted | s/enter/set/ |
| 02:22.15 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:22.18 | tw1sted | ok |
| 02:22.36 | tw1sted | any specific reason as to why? |
| 02:23.09 | blast007 | several, actually |
| 02:23.50 | tw1sted | care to briefly explain |
| 02:23.51 | tw1sted | ? |
| 02:24.43 | blast007 | 1) smaller registration form 2) less data hanging around for unactivated accounts 3) once we allow in-game registration with tiered servers, that'd let someone play at the lower tier servers with just a simple registration for one session (and then they could create a password after fully activing the account) |
| 02:25.21 | allejo | that regex <3 |
| 02:52.04 | blast007 | approximately half the accounts on the forums are unactivated |
| 02:52.29 | blast007 | so, yeah.. it'd be nice to not have all that excess data stored in the main user tables |
| 02:52.29 | tw1sted | phpbb doesnt prune unactivated accounts? |
| 02:52.35 | blast007 | nope |
| 02:52.56 | blast007 | you have to manually do it (though you can do it in mass) |
| 02:54.06 | blast007 | oh, another possible issue with Postgresql.. Mediawiki, while it offers Postgresql as an option, says it's not necessarily recommended - Wikipedia uses MySQL, so the postgresql support isn't as well tested, and is just supported by the community |
| 02:55.19 | tw1sted | seems like mysql would be the clear service to use |
| 02:55.49 | blast007 | yeah, you'd think |
| 02:55.52 | blast007 | but I'm crazy like that |
| 02:56.15 | JeffM | there is value in using a product not run by sun |
| 02:56.19 | JeffM | oracle |
| 02:57.10 | blast007 | well, in that case there's MariaDB |
| 02:57.13 | blast007 | but still... |
| 02:57.39 | blast007 | though I'd probably avoid using MariaDB until it's in Ubuntu Server LTS |
| 02:57.45 | JeffM | do it all noSQL, big table style :) |
| 02:57.53 | blast007 | web scale! |
| 02:58.20 | blast007 | but I might skip Postgresql for this project |
| 02:58.51 | blast007 | upgrades seem to be "fun" with Postgresql.. seems to involve having both versions installed at once and using some tool to migrate from one to the next |
| 02:59.07 | blast007 | or you have to dump the data first and then input into the new version |
| 02:59.21 | blast007 | MySQL just upgrades the tables, afaik |
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