| 00:00.38 | alpha1-2 | it means 4 cores right? |
| 00:00.44 | alpha1-2 | does it mean* |
| 00:00.54 | blast007 | yes |
| 00:00.57 | alpha1-2 | but desktop rght? |
| 00:01.02 | blast007 | yes |
| 00:01.07 | blast007 | my laptop is from 2006 ;) |
| 00:01.26 | alpha1-2 | nice... and Jeff? |
| 00:01.32 | alpha1-2 | very nice machine |
| 00:01.59 | blast007 | my laptop barely runs bzflag |
| 00:02.19 | alpha1-2 | oh |
| 00:03.07 | blast007 | Pentium M 1.6GHz (single core), 2GB RAM, horrid Intel 855 graphics |
| 00:03.19 | blast007 | but I don't use it for gaming |
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| 00:04.56 | alpha1-2 | oh, I see.... then, when my graph prgram shows 1 and 0,75 of both cores use, it shows the really consume of bzflag (iI can run it well finally) |
| 00:05.09 | alpha1-2 | I can* |
| 00:05.21 | blast007 | are you sure it's not showing you the load average? |
| 00:06.17 | khonkhortisan | the game formerly known as bzflag barely runs on blast's laptop |
| 00:06.27 | blast007 | ;D |
| 00:07.43 | alpha1-2 | I have set both indicators with "cpu/cpu.*/TotalLoad" and % |
| 00:07.59 | alpha1-2 | so, they are not average |
| 00:08.03 | alpha1-2 | IMO |
| 00:09.22 | alpha1-2 | but it is good to know that the Intel graphic can run it , and specially with free drivers |
| 00:09.46 | alpha1-2 | it's my first experince with 3D graphics with free drivers in Linux |
| 00:10.16 | alpha1-2 | (I mean, that works, because before it DOESN'T work, the O.S. 3D engine) |
| 00:10.59 | alpha1-2 | around 10 years, they DIDN'T WORK :P |
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| 00:18.41 | alpha1-2 | JeffM: what machine do you have? :) |
| 00:18.59 | JeffM | for a dekstop? an i5 |
| 00:19.14 | JeffM | for a laptop a macbook pro |
| 00:19.38 | alpha1-2 | 5-2500K and 16GB RAM with quad-core 3.3GHz too? |
| 00:19.44 | alpha1-2 | i5* |
| 00:20.11 | JeffM | I don't think I have the k version |
| 00:20.28 | JeffM | but that sounds about right |
| 00:20.39 | JeffM | with an nvidia 660Ti |
| 00:20.54 | alpha1-2 | how much ram Nvidia? |
| 00:20.58 | alpha1-2 | RAM* |
| 00:21.04 | JeffM | 2 or 3 gigs I don't remember |
| 00:21.21 | alpha1-2 | ok, and macbook CPUs/RAM? |
| 00:21.21 | JeffM | that reminds me, there is a Tiny Tina DLC out soon isn't there |
| 00:21.40 | alpha1-2 | b /GPU* |
| 00:21.51 | JeffM | you assume far too much |
| 00:23.58 | alpha1-2 | I remember ash saying about a Macbook that had a GPU onboard/mark inside |
| 00:25.28 | alpha1-2 | very nice machine (desktop) btw too |
| 00:26.07 | JeffM | some do some done |
| 00:26.09 | JeffM | don't |
| 00:26.22 | JeffM | this is intel only, I did not get the 15 inch that has a GPU |
| 00:26.32 | JeffM | I needed portability not speed |
| 00:26.40 | JeffM | I got it for school |
| 00:27.04 | alpha1-2 | ok...but what features CPU/RAM? |
| 00:27.15 | alpha1-2 | just curiosity |
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| 00:29.07 | JeffM | it's a 2.4 or 2.8 gig i5 with 8 gigs of ram |
| 00:29.20 | alpha1-2 | nice :) |
| 00:29.25 | JeffM | 2.4 it seems |
| 00:29.30 | JeffM | it was the base model 13 inch |
| 00:29.36 | blast007 | wait, maybe my 660Ti does have 2GB... think it has 3 memory *controllers*. |
| 00:29.56 | JeffM | you and I go the same model right? we got the overclocked one not the 3 gig one |
| 00:30.02 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:30.09 | JeffM | more megaflops |
| 00:30.19 | JeffM | or hellaflops |
| 00:30.25 | blast007 | and thank god I got the overclocked one. I might not be able to play minecraft. oh wait... |
| 00:30.36 | JeffM | no it's java, you did well |
| 00:30.49 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:31.10 | alpha1-2 | is overclocked finally encouraged? :P |
| 00:31.34 | JeffM | it's mostly a marketing term, the manufacturer clocked it higher then the reference board |
| 00:31.47 | JeffM | everything has dynamic clocks these days |
| 00:32.05 | JeffM | your mobile CPU downclocks to like 600mhz when it isn't needed |
| 00:32.13 | alpha1-2 | oh, are you talking of GOUs or CPUs? |
| 00:32.18 | alpha1-2 | GOU* |
| 00:32.20 | JeffM | both |
| 00:32.21 | alpha1-2 | GPU* |
| 00:32.32 | JeffM | it's all scaleable based on need |
| 00:32.42 | JeffM | but our GPU was overclocked |
| 00:33.01 | JeffM | they got higher bin GPUs and clocked them a bit higher then reference |
| 00:33.14 | alpha1-2 | overclocked by default (manufacturers)? |
| 00:33.19 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:33.28 | JeffM | so it's just a marketing term |
| 00:33.31 | alpha1-2 | that is insane i think :P |
| 00:33.42 | JeffM | naw, it the GPU is rated for it |
| 00:34.11 | JeffM | when they make chips, they test them at all kinds of speeds, when they make it higher then the expected average they are sold as better ships |
| 00:34.13 | JeffM | chips |
| 00:34.43 | JeffM | heck some of the tripple core AMD CPUs are just quad cores that had one core fail a test |
| 00:35.08 | blast007 | some didn't even fail.. they just disable a core to sell to cheaper markets :) |
| 00:35.29 | blast007 | costs them less than making a new chip with less cores |
| 00:36.05 | alpha1-2 | how not to know electronic micro weldings :) |
| 00:36.29 | JeffM | yeah it's usualy just bios |
| 00:36.34 | JeffM | or a pencil |
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| 00:37.11 | alpha1-2 | a magnifying glass a welding and 3 cores working ;) |
| 00:37.21 | JeffM | no |
| 00:37.24 | alpha1-2 | joke |
| 00:37.27 | alpha1-2 | he he |
| 00:37.53 | Nidhoggr | had to ask for a cloak. my address was too tempting in #macosx. |
| 00:37.54 | JeffM | blast007, how fast is your pipe at the school you work at? |
| 00:38.00 | blast007 | 20mbps right now |
| 00:38.06 | blast007 | (both ways) |
| 00:38.15 | JeffM | is that common for schools of that size? |
| 00:38.28 | JeffM | I was watching our CDN traffic and saw someone get our product in 6 seconfds |
| 00:38.29 | JeffM | seconds |
| 00:38.33 | blast007 | it's probably common for schools that are even larger |
| 00:38.37 | JeffM | for a 350 meg installer |
| 00:39.11 | blast007 | our current router is going to be upgraded this summer though.. currently 20 is about all our existing hardware can do |
| 00:39.18 | JeffM | ahh |
| 00:39.38 | blast007 | and we can gradually get bumped up to 100mbps without additional cost to us |
| 00:39.40 | JeffM | we just got a 50 meg fiber link, but to get 350 megs in 6 seconds is like 250megs |
| 00:40.27 | blast007 | I think over the last year, we averaged about 10mbps downstream usage ;) |
| 00:40.37 | JeffM | youtube FTW |
| 00:41.29 | blast007 | our internet filter is teh suck right now. I have to proxy my Microsoft MSDN/TechNet/SA ISO downloads over SSH through my server |
| 00:41.45 | blast007 | otherwise I get like 70KB/sec and kill the filter |
| 00:42.03 | drizzo4shizzo | my 560 ti 1GB still makes me giddy |
| 00:42.05 | blast007 | (latency spikes, and nobody can hardly access basic sites) |
| 00:43.01 | khonkhortisan | nobody can hardly access. All can't hardly access. nobody can't easily access. All can easily access... |
| 00:43.02 | drizzo4shizzo | bzflag is multi-TREAD-ed (ducks) |
| 00:43.15 | khonkhortisan | *rimshot* |
| 00:43.31 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: double negatives for the not win |
| 00:43.34 | JeffM | ahh we are using untangle, it seems to work well |
| 00:43.41 | khonkhortisan | not win :) |
| 00:43.55 | blast007 | currently using a Windows 2003 server based system.. |
| 00:44.15 | blast007 | they have a shiny new appliance version that I think runs linux or bsd, but meh... |
| 00:44.30 | blast007 | we also use it for email archiving |
| 00:45.07 | blast007 | looking at maybe moving to Google Vault for the email archiving and a Smoothwall appliance for the filter |
| 00:45.44 | alpha1-2 | blast007: what server do you use (file server for example): Linux / Windows / both? (at school) |
| 00:46.11 | blast007 | well, it's a Linux-ish system.. it's Novell Open Enterprise Server. |
| 00:46.41 | alpha1-2 | oh nice, SuSE's family maybe? |
| 00:47.03 | alpha1-2 | or previously? |
| 00:47.35 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:48.22 | alpha1-2 | and clients machines running both linux and windows? |
| 00:49.20 | blast007 | only windows clients that talk to the directory server and get access to files |
| 00:49.37 | blast007 | the only linux systems were in a single classroom used alongside Raspberry Pi's |
| 00:50.46 | alpha1-2 | and what disrto in that machine? |
| 00:50.52 | alpha1-2 | distro* |
| 00:51.08 | alpha1-2 | machines* |
| 00:51.15 | alpha1-2 | those* |
| 00:51.43 | blast007 | Lubuntu I think |
| 00:51.46 | blast007 | or Xubuntu |
| 00:52.08 | blast007 | might go with straight up debian next time around though |
| 00:52.29 | alpha1-2 | ok. Highschool level right? (I am foreign) |
| 00:53.01 | Nidhoggr | I just upgraded 2 servers from lenny to the newest debian. It was more of a re-install however. :) |
| 00:53.25 | blast007 | alpha1-2: the linux systems are in the high school, yes |
| 00:53.39 | blast007 | but I work for and support the entire school district |
| 00:53.48 | Nidhoggr | I have one more to do, but I don't want to spoil the 990 day uptime. |
| 00:54.32 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:54.59 | Nidhoggr | the blessings and curses of a datacenter with reliable power. |
| 00:56.34 | Nidhoggr | one died from a bad swap partition. (dragon.org) replaced it with mac mini server, but I'm using the old box for nagios. |
| 00:56.37 | blast007 | I felt similar when I had 39 days of uptime on my dialup connection |
| 00:56.45 | Nidhoggr | nice |
| 00:57.02 | alpha1-2 | At my University they use debian in systems labs (mostly). But in all the administration and computing centre they use Windows. Maybe debian isn't the most proper distro for highschool. |
| 00:57.26 | blast007 | alpha1-2: I'm hoping to move the servers to Windows Server soon. |
| 00:57.44 | Nidhoggr | IMO Debian is a great distro for learning. It doesn't hold your hand so much, so you have to get your hands dirtier than *ubuntu, etc. |
| 00:58.00 | alpha1-2 | And for servers they use Linux and Windows mix (in labs). |
| 00:58.01 | blast007 | Windows gives me easier control over the systems. There's really not a network management system for Linux on the same scale as what Windows has. |
| 00:58.25 | blast007 | (though I will keep the web servers on Linux for sure) |
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| 01:00.16 | alpha1-2 | My Uni is oriented to technology though, I think that other Uni (computer science for example) can have more Linux server uses. |
| 01:01.36 | blast007 | depends what services you intend to run |
| 01:02.51 | alpha1-2 | The only "problem" vs. advantages, let's say, about debian is the slow update frecuency versions, that in case of highschools, it can make some updates problems, maybe. |
| 01:03.13 | blast007 | actually that could be seen as a benefit :P |
| 01:03.42 | Nidhoggr | for those who are serious about keeping a server online with little downtime, major releases are more of a pain than a plus. |
| 01:03.42 | blast007 | the main issue with it is that they only support the old release for about a year after the new one comes out |
| 01:04.06 | blast007 | I'm using Ubuntu Server LTS for my linux servers |
| 01:04.11 | blast007 | 5 years of support |
| 01:05.35 | alpha1-2 | linux servers at what level? which features do you serve? |
| 01:05.47 | blast007 | web content |
| 01:05.59 | Nidhoggr | all of my old linux boxes were lenny. when it came time to consider an upgrade, they didn't even have an available upgrade path, thus a total reinstall of 7.0 |
| 01:06.16 | alpha1-2 | ah ok, for web, linux its the best IMO (Apache, etc) |
| 01:06.22 | blast007 | Nidhoggr: eh, they have an upgrade path |
| 01:06.30 | blast007 | you have to upgrade to all the in between steps |
| 01:06.51 | Nidhoggr | they didn't have the files any longer to go from lenny to next step. |
| 01:07.02 | Nidhoggr | they were removed from the repositories. |
| 01:07.05 | blast007 | they do, just not on the main mirrors |
| 01:07.12 | blast007 | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 01:07.16 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 01:07.29 | Nidhoggr | either way, both boxes were malfuntioning, so I didn't bother. |
| 01:07.30 | blast007 | http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 01:07.45 | blast007 | yeah, I rarely upgrade my systems, linux or otherwise |
| 01:08.01 | alpha1-2 | I always reinstall them :) |
| 01:08.03 | blast007 | figure a reinstall is a good time to re-evaluate my system and clean up |
| 01:08.06 | Nidhoggr | I did one upgrade a few years ago, and it was okay, but I prefer a fresh install |
| 01:08.14 | Nidhoggr | yep |
| 01:08.57 | Nidhoggr | although with dragon.org, I cart around a few hundred gig of stuff that my users have amassed since she's been online (1994) |
| 01:09.44 | Nidhoggr | it doesn't matter how many times you ask them to sort through it and get it off your system, they never do. |
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| 01:10.45 | Nidhoggr | now that I have a 2TB backup drive, I don't mind carting it around. I just didn't want to be responsible for losing it. |
| 01:11.48 | alpha1-2 | wow hard drive crash :S (dragon.org) |
| 01:12.32 | Nidhoggr | the swap partition just ate itself for breakfast. not pretty. the new server is happy though. |
| 01:13.28 | alpha1-2 | but, excuse me, not backup? |
| 01:13.41 | Nidhoggr | my secondary nameserver is the one that has the 990 day uptime. I pulled all the web services off of it, so all it is doing is DNS. I'm going to copy the bind config to another box and re-install. |
| 01:13.44 | alpha1-2 | or hard to clasificate all? |
| 01:13.51 | blast007 | you don't generally back up the swap partition ;) |
| 01:14.02 | Nidhoggr | I didn't lose any data. I just lost ability to boot. |
| 01:14.02 | alpha1-2 | classify* |
| 01:14.18 | Nidhoggr | most data was on a non-boot drive. |
| 01:14.28 | Nidhoggr | and users were warned that I am not babysitting their data. |
| 01:14.44 | blast007 | I recall turning off the swap partition on my old system, and then say "oh wait.. I kinda needed that.." as the system kernel paniced |
| 01:14.51 | Nidhoggr | lol |
| 01:15.05 | JeffM_ | put the swap partion in a ramdisk! |
| 01:15.17 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 01:15.29 | Nidhoggr | my new box has 16gb of ram. the old box was 512 mb |
| 01:15.35 | alpha1-2 | kernel panic, I saw that some times... Oh, swap, right, I missed that |
| 01:15.47 | blast007 | JeffM_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRam :P |
| 01:15.56 | Nidhoggr | old box was a 1.2 ghz celeron new box is quad core |
| 01:16.17 | JeffM_ | welcome to the 20th |
| 01:16.22 | JeffM_ | 21st even |
| 01:16.28 | Nidhoggr | I saw an ad somewhere for usb 3.0 flash memory :) |
| 01:16.35 | blast007 | similar specs to the system running the BZFlag services |
| 01:16.43 | blast007 | the physical system, at least |
| 01:16.45 | JeffM_ | yeah usb3 is close in speed to sata3 |
| 01:16.56 | Nidhoggr | that box was running all of bzflag services for a few years. |
| 01:17.15 | Nidhoggr | dragon.org was also bzflag.org for a while. |
| 01:17.23 | Nidhoggr | and secretplace.us |
| 01:17.32 | JeffM_ | yup |
| 01:17.50 | JeffM_ | that was a better place for the forums then a computer under my desk |
| 01:18.02 | alpha1-2 | :) |
| 01:18.20 | blast007 | (and I was referring to the 16GB RAM quad-core, not the 1.2GHz cele ;) |
| 01:18.21 | Nidhoggr | I am truly considering starting up a bz server again. |
| 01:18.23 | alpha1-2 | old times remembrances? :) |
| 01:18.50 | Nidhoggr | I can't remember the map name that I want that was on dragon.org that we used for rabbit hunt. |
| 01:18.58 | blast007 | Nidhoggr: spirals? |
| 01:19.02 | Nidhoggr | it was a huge building with a central area. |
| 01:19.08 | blast007 | hmm |
| 01:19.08 | Nidhoggr | that was secretplace. spirals 2.0 |
| 01:19.56 | Nidhoggr | you could teleport to the roof, you could hide in tunnels in the ceiling... it was super fun. |
| 01:19.59 | alpha1-2 | I am relatively new on bz... but I saw in last months a map saying "secretplace is back" :) |
| 01:20.18 | Nidhoggr | secretplace was a rocking server. |
| 01:20.21 | blast007 | Nidhoggr: dunno if the map you're looking for would be here, but perhaps: http://static.bzexcess.com/downloads/bzWorlds/ |
| 01:21.22 | alpha1-2 | wow nice page, blast! |
| 01:21.34 | Nidhoggr | looking |
| 01:21.37 | alpha1-2 | where did u have it hidden! |
| 01:21.40 | alpha1-2 | :) |
| 01:21.49 | blast007 | alpha1-2: in http://static.bzexcess.com/downloads/ :P |
| 01:22.22 | alpha1-2 | but static.? is it linked to www.bzexcess? |
| 01:22.30 | blast007 | no |
| 01:22.39 | alpha1-2 | ah then I said you ;) |
| 01:22.42 | Nidhoggr | not seeing it. |
| 01:22.49 | alpha1-2 | "hidden" |
| 01:22.52 | Nidhoggr | nice maps though. |
| 01:23.01 | blast007 | worth a shot :) |
| 01:23.03 | swigg | didja try the mapeteria? |
| 01:23.18 | Nidhoggr | I wonder if I might have an old dragon.org boot drive around here somehwere. it might have the maps still. |
| 01:23.34 | blast007 | http://www.garrettsites.net/bzmaps/index.php?page=maps |
| 01:23.40 | swigg | Also try BerntH on ##norang |
| 01:24.36 | alpha1-2 | do you have there: ALL maps? ALL NICE maps? ALL NICE FOR BLAST maps? |
| 01:24.43 | blast007 | that's not my site |
| 01:25.09 | alpha1-2 | i refer to static.bzexcess |
| 01:25.25 | alpha1-2 | http://static.bzexcess.com/downloads/bzWorlds/ |
| 01:26.40 | blast007 | http://web.archive.org/web/20040810021803/http://stats.bzflag.org/serverlist.php "dragon.org:5255 - Rabbit Chase - Now playing Basement by Corndawg. Hunt the bunny!" |
| 01:26.40 | Nidhoggr | I looked at the garretsites one yesterday. didn't see it there. |
| 01:26.45 | Nidhoggr | that's it!!!!! |
| 01:26.53 | Nidhoggr | basement |
| 01:27.40 | blast007 | the map might be lost in the sands of time though |
| 01:28.03 | Nidhoggr | it says it is on the bzexcess one |
| 01:28.15 | blast007 | ah |
| 01:28.21 | alpha1-2 | swigg: I knew already the mapeteria. Nice too! |
| 01:28.46 | Nidhoggr | I just didn't recognize it |
| 01:28.52 | Nidhoggr | I downloaded it. |
| 01:29.00 | Nidhoggr | now I gotta figure out configs :) |
| 01:29.08 | Nidhoggr | afk 2 min |
| 01:29.14 | blast007 | I had pulled those maps from https://stats.bzflag.org/maps/ in the archive.org archives |
| 01:31.32 | alpha1-2 | nice work btw, fo not missing them |
| 01:31.36 | alpha1-2 | for* |
| 01:32.25 | blast007 | I hoard data ;) |
| 01:32.36 | blast007 | hate seeing information vanish |
| 01:33.05 | Nidhoggr | also downloaded spirals2.0 |
| 01:33.58 | Nidhoggr | wow, someone in russia registered secretplace.us |
| 01:34.12 | blast007 | in soviet russia, tank kills you! |
| 01:34.17 | Nidhoggr | lol |
| 01:34.51 | Nidhoggr | I had a russian botnet really mad at me for about a month. DoS was insane. |
| 01:35.04 | Nidhoggr | I shut down my IRC server after I found the botnet using it. |
| 01:35.23 | alpha1-2 | "secretplace" isn't a innocent web name btw ;) |
| 01:36.07 | Nidhoggr | secretplace has a personal meaning. I grew up on a farm owned by a man named Henry Secret. So when people asked where i lived, it was the Secret Place. |
| 01:36.23 | alpha1-2 | :) |
| 01:36.34 | alpha1-2 | tell that to soviets! :D |
| 01:36.38 | Nidhoggr | no one really knew that was the meaning of the domain name. |
| 01:36.59 | Nidhoggr | but, I'll stick with dragon.org |
| 01:37.19 | alpha1-2 | well, time to eat fr me, bbl |
| 01:37.31 | Nidhoggr | I registered it so long ago that John Postel personally sent my domain notification when I registered. |
| 01:37.58 | Nidhoggr | my smtp banner was a John Postel memorial for a long time. |
| 01:38.10 | alpha1-2_away | :) |
| 01:39.02 | alpha1-2_away | wkipedia... |
| 01:39.32 | alpha1-2_away | wow ARPANET |
| 01:39.45 | Nidhoggr | Postel wore sandals to the whitehouse |
| 01:39.51 | Nidhoggr | that dude was rockin' cool |
| 01:40.30 | alpha1-2_away | saved file :) |
| 01:41.44 | swigg | It is possible that Temp Dist has a copy of that map |
| 01:41.58 | Nidhoggr | I found a copy |
| 01:42.14 | Nidhoggr | I just had to search for the name, which I had forgotten. |
| 01:44.09 | swigg | If you found it, upload it to the forum or mapatorium |
| 01:44.22 | swigg | so long as it is ok with the author |
| 01:44.33 | blast007 | swigg: it's archived on my server |
| 01:44.39 | swigg | Oh. ok |
| 01:44.49 | blast007 | and archive.org |
| 01:45.15 | Nidhoggr | the silly configuration tool is only for windows |
| 01:45.28 | Nidhoggr | unless I'm missing it in the mac distro |
| 01:45.33 | blast007 | what tool? |
| 01:45.42 | Nidhoggr | to make a server config file |
| 01:46.51 | blast007 | it's just a text file, no need for a tool |
| 01:47.16 | blast007 | the 'bzfs -help' and 'man bzfs' should be all that is necessary |
| 01:47.24 | Nidhoggr | I just don't remember what I put in it. |
| 01:47.28 | Nidhoggr | that will work. |
| 01:47.46 | blast007 | there's also this, but it's not complete yet: http://projects.porteighty.org/bzfs_conf/ |
| 01:48.20 | blast007 | and generally, if you don't know what an option does, you probably don't need it |
| 01:48.51 | blast007 | also, this is worth a read through: http://wiki.bzflag.org/Public |
| 01:49.09 | blast007 | we have additional requirements for hosting public servers for BZFlag 2.4 and up |
| 01:49.48 | blast007 | (and you'll want 2.4.x) |
| 01:51.58 | swigg | ooo.. 2.0.x is gone? |
| 01:52.34 | blast007 | gone enough |
| 01:53.48 | blast007 | total of 6 public servers running 2.0.x right now |
| 01:54.38 | swigg | and 3 people plauin |
| 01:54.41 | swigg | Playing |
| 01:55.17 | blast007 | yeah.. top server has like 5 or 6 bots in observer.. as if there's a need to boost the ranking when there's 6 servers :P |
| 01:56.08 | Nidhoggr | do I have to specify the master ban list in config or is it auto when I make it a public server? |
| 01:59.29 | blast007 | it's auto, but useless |
| 01:59.33 | blast007 | we don't really use it anymore |
| 02:01.27 | JeffM_ | we'll remove that in Super Steel Axiom Atomic Judgment |
| 02:01.42 | blast007 | or do it better |
| 02:01.49 | JeffM_ | force reg |
| 02:02.51 | blast007 | and apparently I had broken the port 81 access to the list server.. fixed now ;) |
| 02:03.20 | JeffM_ | https FTW |
| 02:03.35 | blast007 | yeah, that'd be nice |
| 02:04.38 | blast007 | oh man, two big spiders making webs out my window. this would be a perfect use for the time lapse function with the raspberry pi camera software. |
| 02:05.03 | swigg | If you have 2 in the web there will be a fight to the death |
| 02:05.31 | blast007 | well, they're on opposite sides of the double window pane |
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| 02:06.01 | zar__ | h |
| 02:07.32 | swigg | ??? |
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| 02:08.30 | blast007 | zar__: hello |
| 02:09.11 | zar__ | hey |
| 02:09.25 | swigg | hmmm |
| 02:09.39 | swigg | geez... Does he have my ISP or something? |
| 02:10.05 | blast007 | nah, his is far more reliable |
| 02:11.44 | allejo | lol |
| 02:16.59 | Nidhoggr | well, I got basement working. I need to tweak some stuff, so I'll play with it after dinner. |
| 02:17.43 | blast007 | not running right now though? |
| 02:17.48 | Nidhoggr | have to use keyboard to play, because I have mac track pad |
| 02:17.56 | Nidhoggr | I shut it down to tweak when I get back. |
| 02:18.00 | blast007 | k |
| 02:18.21 | Nidhoggr | I'd be curious to see how it plays on the new box and my ungodly bandwidth. |
| 02:18.26 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 02:19.02 | Nidhoggr | I suck at the tank driving after not playing for so long. |
| 02:19.13 | Nidhoggr | okay. afk for dinner. |
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| 02:37.43 | blast007 | Nidhoggr: if you click on the dragon.org server here, it should expand and show up some of the server settings: http://web.archive.org/web/20040805173355/http://bzflagxl.wi3k.com/help/servers110.php |
| 02:38.00 | blast007 | (it was whatever settings were bundled in the hex string send to the list server) |
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| 03:46.38 | alpha1-2 | BTW before conversation... Servers admins: here a very useful tool for monitor all you services remotely. It's GPL too :D : |
| 03:46.46 | alpha1-2 | http://www.monitorix.org/screenshots.html |
| 03:46.51 | alpha1-2 | http://www.monitorix.org/features.html |
| 03:47.08 | alpha1-2 | Waiting points (and opinions)..... :) |
| 03:48.31 | alpha1-2 | (Oh Raspberry Pi too!) |
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| 04:18.51 | Nidhoggr | the server is up for dragon.org. it is also populated. |
| 04:19.16 | Nidhoggr | I've got to go to the airport to pick someone up. :) |
| 04:51.44 | swigg | Nidhoggr: You need groups! |
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| 05:27.13 | Nidhoggr | I need a lot of things. :) |
| 05:27.17 | Nidhoggr | but it was a good start. |
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| 21:21.17 | JeffM | So did we settle on Steel Axiom of Judgment? |
| 21:22.04 | alezakos | Why not just BZTanks? |
| 21:22.30 | JeffM | I would not want to keep a reference to BattleZone, specialy if we want to form an org around it |
| 21:22.42 | JeffM | Atari is lookin for people to sue |
| 21:23.45 | blast007 | that, and Tanks is too specific |
| 21:24.14 | JeffM | a feature I realy want to add is the "build your own vehicle" thing |
| 21:25.13 | blast007 | quoting myself from yesterday: "define the name with the game, not define the game with the name" |
| 21:25.27 | JeffM | yeah the name should refect the game |
| 21:25.49 | JeffM | hence Super Battle Machines, since that's what inside it |
| 21:25.50 | blast007 | the name should be open ended enough to allow the game to grow |
| 21:28.35 | JeffM | and should also be awesome |
| 21:28.50 | JeffM | like the cheese sauce that I diped my pizza in today |
| 21:28.57 | blast007 | heh |
| 21:29.07 | blast007 | Battle Dippers |
| 21:29.27 | blast007 | Revenge of the sauce! |
| 21:29.53 | JeffM | do not mock the sauce |
| 21:30.18 | blast007 | Use the sauce, Luke! |
| 21:33.57 | JeffM | who's going to pay for these things? |
| 21:34.12 | JeffM | and how do you want to host them? namecheap shared management? |
| 21:34.40 | blast007 | I was gonna buy the domains on namecheap, and yeah, permission delegation |
| 21:34.48 | JeffM | k |
| 21:34.53 | blast007 | use their DNS and email forwarding |
| 21:35.01 | JeffM | I can send you 20$ over paypal if you want to split the costs |
| 21:36.25 | blast007 | we just doing the .com and .org of whatever name we pick? |
| 21:36.49 | JeffM | I say we get the net too just for completeness and redir it to the .com |
| 21:36.59 | JeffM | then do the different.net later for third party use |
| 21:37.05 | blast007 | k |
| 21:37.22 | JeffM | the main.net would just be to prevent squaters etc... |
| 21:41.27 | blast007 | also, I figure this would be the time to get the services set up the way they should have been |
| 21:41.34 | JeffM | sure |
| 21:41.55 | JeffM | what about IE? |
| 21:42.01 | blast007 | so, I'd probably just have the fork use the bzflag services for the time being and write new services - a real user portal, with registration through there, not a forum |
| 21:42.03 | JeffM | will it work with IE 3? |
| 21:42.18 | blast007 | sure, if you install Chrome Frame and kill a goat |
| 21:42.53 | blast007 | though I imagine even that wouldn't work, really :P |
| 21:43.02 | blast007 | chrome frame probably needs XP |
| 21:44.05 | blast007 | mmmm, and tasty, tasty SSL |
| 21:45.03 | JeffM | I think we shold backport the font system first thing |
| 21:45.44 | blast007 | and test the hell out of that to find any wacky/expensive state changes? |
| 21:45.55 | blast007 | performance of it wasn't so great in 2.99.x, iirc |
| 21:46.04 | JeffM | at the start no, but in the end it was fine |
| 21:46.14 | JeffM | if we bacport the current state it should be much better |
| 21:46.18 | blast007 | okay |
| 21:46.19 | JeffM | specialy since apple fixed drivers |
| 21:46.36 | JeffM | but yeah if we have to remove the GL State stuff. SO BE IT! |
| 21:46.38 | blast007 | well, I recall it slowed down my 8800GTX quite a bit as well |
| 21:46.59 | blast007 | like, cut the FPS in half |
| 21:47.09 | JeffM | well build 2.99 and check it |
| 21:47.34 | blast007 | my 8800GTX died now, but I do have both a newer and older card to test with ;) |
| 21:47.38 | JeffM | most of the stuff the GL state does is not needed anymore since it's talored to software rendering |
| 21:47.51 | JeffM | it's just tedious to replace |
| 21:48.10 | JeffM | but I mean I can do it in like a day on a weekend |
| 21:48.12 | blast007 | that OpenGL profiler I used had mentioned some expensive operations |
| 21:48.27 | JeffM | yeah and we can get rid of those |
| 21:48.35 | JeffM | radar zoom is HORRIBLE |
| 21:48.42 | JeffM | GLCopy pixels |
| 21:48.48 | JeffM | and the scissor stuff |
| 21:49.09 | blast007 | ah, yeah, scissor was maybe what I was thinking of.. was thinking of "snip" and "clip" and trying to google what it was |
| 21:49.29 | JeffM | we can redo it with stencil and that' smuch faster |
| 21:49.55 | blast007 | we could kill the old radar modes if it makes it easier |
| 21:50.15 | JeffM | it's not the modes, it's constraining the drawing of the world to the box |
| 21:50.19 | blast007 | k |
| 21:51.07 | JeffM | you set up a buffer that flags the box as being the drawable area so that world objects that would extend out of it are clipped at a fragement level like when they go outside the screen/viewport |
| 21:51.46 | blast007 | Wonder if this support person is gonna call back before I leave... have a process I need to run before July 1st, and it did something odd (said "no records to process"), so now I'm waiting for them to call me. :/ |
| 21:51.52 | blast007 | and I kinda wasn't gonna be here tomorrow.. |
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| 22:01.53 | blast007 | and apparently that message just means that we're awesome and have no issues with our data ;) |
| 22:09.36 | alpha1-2 | Any message to my previous links posted here (monitorix)? :) (I waited for 3 hours last night and I had to go) |
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| 22:15.01 | blast007 | alpha1-2: looks interesting, at least maybe for my stuff at work |
| 22:15.24 | alpha1-2 | great :) |
| 22:15.46 | blast007 | I generally avoid having too many extra things exposed to the public, but it's something I could tunnel over SSH |
| 22:16.29 | alpha1-2 | do you think that this monitor sysem could be tunneling over SSH? |
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| 22:16.46 | alpha1-2 | system* |
| 22:17.33 | blast007 | sure, it's just HTTP |
| 22:17.51 | alpha1-2 | ok, nice! |
| 22:17.55 | blast007 | I'd have the server bind to 127.0.0.1, SSH to the server, and tunnel |
| 22:18.28 | blast007 | and by "server" I mean their web server process |
| 22:19.17 | alpha1-2 | then, I think, the hhtp service from the server (serving this monitor system) only could be accesed by ssh from outside right? |
| 22:19.21 | alpha1-2 | http* |
| 22:20.22 | blast007 | right, you'd need to SSH tunnel to see it (or access it from the system it is running on if you have a GUI) |
| 22:20.50 | alpha1-2 | nice, good idea |
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| 22:21.10 | alpha1-2 | I don't know much about binding services :) |
| 22:22.13 | blast007 | still not 100% secure though. if there was an exploit with it, other local users could also exploit it. Or it could cause other kinds of issues. |
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| 22:23.24 | alpha1-2 | ok, as all system in general, never 100% secures :) |
| 22:23.29 | alpha1-2 | systems* |
| 22:24.02 | blast007 | yeah, but the more stuff you run, the higher chance of *something* on your system having an exploit |
| 22:24.10 | blast007 | so it's best to minimize excess services |
| 22:25.52 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 22:27.31 | alpha1-2 | I was talking with Nidhoggr too about this, and he told me about other system he use: Nagios (http://www.nagios.org/) |
| 22:27.42 | alpha1-2 | It is GPL too. He said me that you can execute some services through it too. But in other hand, like you say now, about security issues, the Monitorix option ONLY shows information. |
| 22:27.53 | alpha1-2 | uses* |
| 22:28.47 | blast007 | yeah, I've looked at a *lot* of systems like this |
| 22:29.11 | alpha1-2 | ok :) |
| 22:29.33 | blast007 | nagios, cacti, OpenNMS, Hyperic, Observium, and more ;) |
| 22:30.19 | alpha1-2 | ohh you know a lot :) |
| 22:30.41 | alpha1-2 | and which do you prefer/use actually? |
| 22:30.58 | blast007 | none of them yet ;) |
| 22:31.05 | alpha1-2 | ah ok |
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| 22:35.01 | alpha1-2 | IRC question: can somebody assign points to an user that isn't logged (joined in that moment) still? |
| 22:36.27 | JeffM | points? |
| 22:36.41 | alpha1-2 | karma |
| 22:36.51 | JeffM | sure that's just a feature of ibot |
| 22:37.30 | alpha1-2 | does ibot save all user names and it has a counter of each one? |
| 22:37.41 | JeffM | I dunno |
| 22:37.52 | JeffM | I think it's a flat file it keeps |
| 22:38.09 | JeffM | its' open source, you can get the code for it and see |
| 22:38.13 | JeffM | it dosn't mean anything |
| 22:39.03 | alpha1-2 | just wondering if one uer go out from chat room and you want to add points to him, if it is possible or he need to be online in that moment |
| 22:39.09 | alpha1-2 | user* |
| 22:39.16 | alpha1-2 | needs* |
| 22:39.57 | JeffM | dunno |
| 22:40.02 | JeffM | I don't think so |
| 22:40.06 | JeffM | but why bother? |
| 22:40.23 | alpha1-2 | just curiosity :) |
| 22:40.32 | alpha1-2 | i nver saw a karma system before :) |
| 22:40.35 | alpha1-2 | never* |
| 22:40.42 | alpha1-2 | in chat rooms |
| 22:41.29 | JeffM | it's not a normal part of IRC |
| 22:41.36 | JeffM | it's a feature of that bot |
| 22:41.44 | JeffM | freenode did not provide the bot, Tim does |
| 22:41.50 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 22:42.15 | alpha1-2 | but finally it means some kind of helpful user right? |
| 22:42.22 | JeffM | god no |
| 22:42.40 | JeffM | that feature of the bot is rather useles |
| 22:43.47 | alpha1-2 | but why do people use it then? |
| 22:47.45 | JeffM | who says they do? |
| 22:48.55 | alpha1-2 | I remember the first day I entered/participated here someone did it. The ohter day I saw you did it, and in other room too other person. I did it then too :) |
| 22:49.03 | alpha1-2 | other* |
| 22:49.20 | alpha1-2 | Its normal to think that it is used :) |
| 22:49.26 | JeffM | it's mostly just a social way to say "good job" |
| 22:49.32 | JeffM | nobody looks at the results |
| 22:49.51 | alpha1-2 | ahhh |
| 22:50.21 | alpha1-2 | isn't it like the ELO system no? (joke) Thanks |
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