IRC log for #bzflag on 20130614

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18:13.30Snake12534tw1sted : hi
18:13.39tw1stedhi Snake12534
18:20.19JeffMdoes your / key not work Snake12534 ?
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19:17.06Notify03BZFlag:Caiden * 0 /User:Caiden:
19:23.57alpha1-2I found this: when you search for topics posted by an user, the result isn't the same that the user's total post counter indicates. Is this a bug or a "efficient search" like Google?
19:35.48BulletCatcherThere are some private forums, and you may not be able to see all of a user's articles.
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19:36.51alpha1-2oh ok, then, it is just this, not any kind of bug right?
19:37.18BulletCatcherProbably.
19:37.23alpha1-2ok, thanks
19:39.19alpha1-2excuse me, do you mean posts like admins' posts in private threads, or is there a possibility to create simple user's private thread?
19:39.34alpha1-2threads*
19:40.32allejoalpha1-2, there are hidden forums on the bzbb so posts in those hidden forums
19:40.37BulletCatcherThere are no private threads in public forums.
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19:41.43BulletCatcherFor instance, both the GU and Ducati leagues have admin forums that only certain players can see and post to.
19:42.06BulletCatcherOrdinary players can't see those forums at all.
19:43.13alpha1-2Oh ok, then sub-forums (or groups) that can have private threads, rights?
19:43.32alpha1-2only for cetrain users
19:43.37alpha1-2certain*
19:44.09alpha1-2right*
19:44.23BulletCatcherAccess control is for the entire forum, not for individual threads within the forum.
19:45.11alpha1-2If I understand well, you have: 1) whole forum administrator
19:45.26alpha1-22) sub-forum administrator?
19:45.42alpha1-2administrators* in both cases
19:45.59alpha1-2sub-forums*
19:48.00BulletCatcherphpBB allows administrators whose powers are limited to specific forums, but I don't think we use that on the BZFlag forum.
19:48.21BulletCatcherAll of the administrators (the ones with red names) have access to everything.
19:49.33alpha1-2ok, then the GU admins for example, don't have permission to admin the GU users in bzflag.org site right?, only in GU site?
19:49.55BulletCatchercorrect
19:50.55alpha1-2ok, but then, where does the "private forum" idea enter in this situation? for GU admin/users for example?
19:51.24alpha1-2do they have special rights maybe for do it?
19:52.52BulletCatcherThe GU admins have the privilege on the BZFlag forum to read and post to the private GU admin forum.
19:53.30alpha1-2ok
19:54.09alpha1-2I understand now :)
19:54.14BulletCatcher:-)
20:14.02Notify03BZFlag:bullet_catcher * 22808 (trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/common.vcxproj trunk/bzflag/Xcode/BZFlag.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj trunk/bzflag/src/common/Makefile.am): Rename bzsignal.c to bzsignal.cxx so it will be compiled with the C++ compiler the same as all of the other source code.
20:15.10BulletCatcherSomeone with a Windows system will have to confirm that it still works after that change.
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20:16.55alpha1-2what does bzsignal do?
20:17.15BulletCatcherIt isolates system-specific details of signal handling.
20:17.42alpha1-2signals like what for example?
20:18.07BulletCatcherLike when you type control/c to interrupt a program.
20:18.53BulletCatcherIn this case, a signal is a technical term for a feature of unix systems.
20:19.13alpha1-2and with "system-specific details" what do you mean?
20:19.42alpha1-2oh sry...
20:19.54alpha1-2I misinterpreted some words
20:20.08alpha1-2"system-specific details OF signal handling"
20:20.18BulletCatcheryes
20:20.23alpha1-2I thought FROM signal handling
20:20.27alpha1-2:)
20:20.35swiggWill fixing that file cause my screen colors to stop getting whited out when I launch BZ?
20:20.46BulletCatcherProbably not, swigg.
20:20.55swigga shame
20:21.18swiggbecause when BZ crashes I always have to reboot to get the colors right again
20:21.37BulletCatcherWhat operating system?
20:21.46swiggXP, Vista and 7
20:22.10alpha1-2uh :P
20:22.23alpha1-2all well known windows :)
20:22.38swiggNever heard of them
20:23.05alpha1-2well, XP is one of the most used at least
20:23.25BulletCatcherIdeally, BZFlag wouldn't crash at all.
20:23.26BulletCatcherIf you could provide a stack trace from one we might be able to fix that.
20:23.35alpha1-2(within windows I mean)
20:23.42swiggBC: In'n I only knew how to do that
20:23.47swigg*if'n
20:24.14swiggThis issue has affected all my windows systems; I'm sure the devs have seen it
20:24.35swiggIntel, Nvidia and AMD graphics
20:25.02swiggAnd all procesors from P-III to i5
20:25.03BulletCatcherYou run 2.4.0, don't you.  2.4.2 has some miscellaneous bug fixes.
20:25.16BulletCatcher2.4.3 (trunk) has even more bug fixes.
20:25.25alpha1-2wow you REALLY checked it swigg :D
20:25.33swiggWere any graphics issues fixed?
20:26.01swiggI notice it's worse on systems that appear too dark when I launch the game and I have to adjust the brightness
20:26.15swiggSOmething about gamma correction?
20:26.44alpha1-2monitor issue, no right?
20:27.14swiggI can make it disappear (temporarily) on systems with advanced graphics drivers that have the graph with the curved line in it to control colors
20:27.35swiggAll monitors from CRT to LCD
20:27.41alpha1-2:)
20:27.53swiggthis bug does not discriminate
20:28.41BulletCatcherI wouldn't expect gamma adjustments to cause crashing because it is so simple and the same code is executed (in BZFlag, at least) for any gamma value.
20:29.19swiggI'm really not sure what gamma is; I just mess with the graph adjustment in the graphics control panel and it disappears
20:29.50alpha1-2do you compile the windows code or just execute/install the binary (all times)?
20:29.52BulletCatcherhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_correction
20:29.54swiggIn other words; I messed with the graphics settings until one of them alleviated the issue
20:30.51swiggBC: By some dumb twist, it is indeed the gamma that is being corrupted
20:31.09BulletCatcherVery odd.
20:31.22swiggsomehow BZ is messing up the settings and windows is not falling back to default
20:31.32alpha1-2do you compile the windows code or just execute/install the binary (all times)?
20:31.48swiggI am an auto tech; I do not compile
20:32.10BulletCatcherBZFlag does adjust the gamma, and then resets it when it exits.
20:32.12BulletCatcherIf BZFlag crashes it can't reset the gamma.
20:32.13alpha1-2ok, 2.4.0 version or the last ones?
20:32.25swiggand for any computer stuff goes; I build networks and fix hardware issues and software issues, but I do not code
20:32.41swiggThis has been an issue since 2.0.6
20:32.55alpha1-2ok
20:33.14alpha1-2have you noticed about other windows user with the same problem?
20:33.29swiggThere has been chatter about it from time to time
20:33.48swiggbut less than 1% of BZ users even know about IRC
20:34.01alpha1-2ok :)
20:34.06swiggThey think it's something new
20:35.36BulletCatcherThe problem is that BZFlag crashes (and therefore cannot reset the gamma on exit).
20:35.41BulletCatcherWhat we need to do is fix the crashing problem.
20:35.43BulletCatcherUnfortunately, that isn't likely to happen if we can't get more info such as a stack trace.
20:36.14swiggI think that BZ should adjust itsself to compensate for the default gamma settings
20:36.24swiggUse the user's settings as a base
20:36.56blast007alpha1-2: as for the post counts not matching, I also think that in the past, automatically purged posts didn't subtract from the user's posts - we had some forums on bzbb where posts would get purged after a while
20:37.59BulletCatcherHaving BZFlag itself do gamma calculations would take a lot of compute power, and probably drop the frame rate to an unacceptably low value.
20:38.38blast007alpha1-2: each category you see on the index page of bzbb is a "forum"
20:40.20alpha1-2blast007: do you mean that the hidden posts aren't showed as counted?
20:41.23blast007I only mentioned purged messages
20:41.37blast007purged is not hidded.   purged is deleted.
20:41.40blast007hidden*
20:42.12blast007BulletCatcher: a shader could probably do it ;)
20:42.43blast007but it'd seem silly to require shaders for something like that
20:43.36blast007swigg: "but less than 1% of BZ users even know about IRC"  so let's see... less than one players knows about IRC? hmm. How's that work?  :)
20:44.03alpha1-2"I also think": do you mean to *add* quantity to total counter (total profile counter posts = normal posts + hidden posts + deleted post)?
20:44.18alpha1-2posts*
20:44.54blast007alpha1-2: the counts are just not 100% in sync. let's leave it at that.
20:45.22blast007There is a tool to fix that, but I'd rather not hammer MySQL for an hour while it counts.
20:47.22alpha1-2"I'd rather not hammer MySQL for an hour while it counts.": sorry, I don't understand what you mean
20:47.32blast007The data in the bzbb database started with phpBB2 and has migrated to phpBB3, and things were done differently in the past (with automatically purged posts not updating the post count, but manually deleted posts did)
20:47.51blast007hammer, as in, stress, put under load, make it do lots of things
20:49.16alpha1-2any kind of simple "refresh" command no?
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20:51.03alpha1-2not would work*
20:51.15swiggblast007: Most of the people here seldom play. Alternately, the common player does not know where the gods congregate.
20:51.28swiggNor who the gods even are.
20:52.08swiggAnd this place is Mt. Olympus
20:52.54alpha1-2oh, I'm a god! I didn't noticed it :)
20:53.08BulletCatcherbows toward alpha1-2
20:53.13swiggWhen here, you are *with* the gods.
20:53.53alpha1-2ow, just a simple mortal in middle of gods :(
20:54.03alpha1-2but one day.....
20:54.07alpha1-2:D
20:54.33alpha1-2I will reach the whole wisedom and all ;)
20:55.31alpha1-2wisdom*
20:55.44swiggWhiz-dumb
20:55.50alpha1-2ha ha
20:57.16alpha1-2blast007: any kind of simple "refresh" command wouldn't work (MySQL)?
21:08.34blast007there is no "refresh" command in mysql ;)
21:09.50alpha1-2this one?
21:09.52alpha1-2http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/mysql-refresh.html
21:10.53blast007that's a C API function....
21:11.11blast007and it has nothing to do with updating the rows of a table :)
21:11.48alpha1-2oh, let me see, iirc there is some command... BulletCatcher?
21:11.49blast007in any case, the post count being out of sync is not worth worrying about
21:15.33alpha1-2well, UPDATE command at start...
21:20.57blast007a SELECT at first, then an UPDATE, then it processes up to 20,000 posts at a time with a SELECT and multiple UPDATE's (one per user) until it reaches the maximum post id
21:21.58alpha1-2ok
21:22.04alpha1-2overloading?
21:26.19blast007it probably wouldn't be all that taxing on the server, really, but it's not important either
21:28.44alpha1-2you are the web page admin right?
21:29.42blast007yes
21:30.43alpha1-2do you agree with: total profile counter = normal posts + hidden posts + some not updated deleted posts?
21:31.39blast007yeah
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21:33.23alpha1-2ok, and when you do a advanced search by user, then, it shows the REAL AVAILABLE quatity of posts for the user in question?
21:33.51blast007yeah, because it's counting what it searched, not what is stored in the user table
21:33.54alpha1-2quantity*
21:34.54alpha1-2ohhh ok, I understand... then, no any REALLY post missed right?
21:35.12alpha1-2I mean, not hidden of course
21:35.40blast007what you see is what you get
21:36.06alpha1-2ok, no much problem then :)
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