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| 01:15.46 | Notify | 03BZFlag:blast007 * 22732 trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/effectsRenderer.cxx: Fix some "truncation from 'double' to 'GLfloat'" warnings. |
| 01:42.58 | blast007 | if BZFS was going to be sent the player's locale, is once-per join enough? (as in, should it be part of MsgEnter, or done as a different message to allow locale changes mid-session?) |
| 01:43.02 | blast007 | I' |
| 01:43.14 | blast007 | I'm thinking that MsgEnter is probably good enough |
| 01:43.42 | blast007 | (This would be to allow the server to send translated server generated messages.) |
| 01:51.53 | JeffM | if we are going to break proto for it may as well make it it's own message |
| 01:52.14 | JeffM | make it a "client info" message that can send all kinds of data bout the client |
| 01:52.31 | khonkhortisan | It would be prematurely adding in a limitation to make it require rejoin |
| 01:54.28 | blast007 | JeffM: so kinda (or exactly) like the message we were using to set the motto in 2.99.x? |
| 01:54.48 | JeffM | I'd say exactly |
| 01:54.55 | blast007 | okay |
| 01:55.04 | JeffM | then we can reseend it when they change languages |
| 01:55.19 | JeffM | the end user may not know they can change languages untill after they join |
| 01:55.23 | blast007 | I'm planning to look over the entire join handshake as well |
| 01:55.45 | blast007 | there's lots we can do to enable better feedback about what's going on and a smoother join |
| 01:56.25 | blast007 | for instance, doing the DNS lookup before the client is allowed to get all the way in |
| 01:56.48 | blast007 | (better for hostban handling) |
| 01:57.01 | JeffM | yeah |
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| 02:06.44 | kierra | wxyzWXYZ !!! |
| 02:06.57 | kierra | they let anybody use IRC |
| 02:09.16 | wxyzWXYZ | oh hi! :) |
| 02:09.30 | wxyzWXYZ | Yep. I found yet another way to get to you. :) |
| 02:11.28 | khonkhortisan | and you |
| 02:26.57 | blast007 | JeffM: if fastmap was changed to be built-in to bzfs, would there need to be a fallback to the old feth method? |
| 02:27.30 | JeffM | it's up to the client how they request the map |
| 02:27.50 | blast007 | fetch* |
| 02:27.50 | JeffM | so I don't understand what would fallback? |
| 02:28.10 | JeffM | if it was built in, the server will send the URL |
| 02:28.13 | JeffM | the client will try the URL |
| 02:28.24 | JeffM | if the URL works it gets it, if not then it sends the fetch method |
| 02:28.38 | JeffM | are you asking if we could remove the fetch method entirely? |
| 02:28.49 | blast007 | was just trying to think if there's a case where the HTTP pull from the game port would fail, but a binary transfer would succeed |
| 02:29.02 | JeffM | I can't thing of one |
| 02:29.09 | JeffM | same kind of packets |
| 02:29.38 | blast007 | currently it *does* fall back if the MD5 sums don't match, but that's more of an issue for when -cacheout is used and not updated (or when there was some bugs with generation) |
| 02:29.39 | JeffM | any failure would be on the CURL side on the client |
| 02:30.03 | JeffM | to the server it's just a second connetion |
| 02:30.19 | JeffM | could a client not allow multiple connections to the same host? |
| 02:30.23 | blast007 | thinking of a generic 'fetch resource' method that could be used for the map file, textures, source, etc |
| 02:30.29 | JeffM | sure |
| 02:30.35 | blast007 | and if everything is HTTP, that's easier to do it like that |
| 02:30.44 | JeffM | well faster, not easier ;) |
| 02:30.58 | JeffM | the HTTP server dosn't support file reads by default |
| 02:31.16 | JeffM | for teh security |
| 02:31.58 | blast007 | easier to make/handle the message, I mean. as opposed to having a 'no, this resource is going to be sent via game protocol, not HTTP' bit |
| 02:32.08 | khonkhortisan | the checksum also doesn't match if you stop a download |
| 02:32.16 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: that's a bug |
| 02:32.28 | blast007 | we should discard partial cache files |
| 02:32.30 | khonkhortisan | I thought removing the offending file was indended :) |
| 02:32.36 | khonkhortisan | *intended |
| 02:32.48 | blast007 | we should remove it *immediately*, not when they try joining again |
| 02:32.48 | JeffM | we should flush them |
| 02:33.11 | blast007 | if the file didn't finish, it can *never* be right, so no point keeping it and crossing out fingers during the next join ;) |
| 02:33.13 | JeffM | there were concerns about including HTTP in the default server |
| 02:33.22 | JeffM | but if we don't have those, then yeah we can build it in |
| 02:33.37 | blast007 | what were the concerns? |
| 02:33.43 | JeffM | security |
| 02:33.58 | JeffM | HTTP is currently built in now, it's just not listenting if there are no registered vdirs |
| 02:34.13 | JeffM | this would always register a vdir |
| 02:34.30 | JeffM | personaly I think the HTTP stuff is more secure then the in game protocol |
| 02:35.27 | blast007 | if there's a buffer overflow somewhere, chances are it probably affects the handling of both protocols |
| 02:35.45 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:36.21 | JeffM | the HTTP stuff is using std::strings so it would be hard to get a buffer to overflow there |
| 02:38.08 | JeffM | the question will be if there is a way to get to access files on the the disk outside the dir's each vhost is allowed to use |
| 02:38.31 | JeffM | I know it checks paths to ensure they don't contain any .. or ./ stuff |
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| 02:40.54 | Snake12534_ | Greetings. |
| 02:44.02 | allejo | bye |
| 02:44.13 | blast007 | allejo: wrong one :P |
| 02:44.21 | allejo | I noticed after I typed lol |
| 02:44.26 | allejo | typed it* |
| 02:44.30 | blast007 | if someone is really worried about an attack like that, they should already be running bzfs in a chroot |
| 02:44.55 | JeffM | probably |
| 02:46.29 | blast007 | not that we should ignore the possibility, of course ;) |
| 02:51.53 | allejo | attacks blast007's bzfs |
| 02:52.16 | blast007 | hey, I wanted to do it! :P |
| 02:53.18 | khonkhortisan | you could always pentest your own |
| 02:54.03 | blast007 | yeah, that's what I'm looking in to |
| 02:54.26 | khonkhortisan | I almost said bye when snake quit also |
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| 06:24.49 | swiftkick | so I just upgraded from the 2.4.0 x64 windows client to 2.4.2 w32 |
| 06:24.49 | swiftkick | and I find I can't sign in to bzbattleground.com |
| 06:24.49 | swiftkick | I signed in the forum at forums.bzflag.org just to be sure |
| 06:24.49 | swiftkick | nothing has changed, I reentered callsign and password but no dice |
| 06:25.00 | swiftkick | (callsign: stimoceiver) |
| 06:27.54 | ruskie | does it tell you why you can't sign in when you try to? |
| 06:29.59 | swiftkick | sure, one sec |
| 06:31.20 | swiftkick | [SERVER->] You do not have permission to spawn on this server. |
| 06:31.20 | swiftkick | [SERVER->] This server may require identification before you can join. |
| 06:31.20 | swiftkick | [SERVER->] register at http://forums.bzflag.org and use that callsign/password |
| 06:31.20 | swiftkick | Server forced a disconnect |
| 06:31.53 | ruskie | and you do have the username and pass in your client set properly? |
| 06:32.00 | swiftkick | yep just reset them again |
| 06:32.13 | swiftkick | double checking: logging out of forums and logging back in |
| 06:32.21 | swiftkick | success |
| 06:32.41 | swiftkick | but still no dice on bzbattleground |
| 06:33.20 | swiftkick | in fact |
| 06:33.23 | swiftkick | same thing with my other account |
| 06:33.33 | swiftkick | cant use that one to sign in on bzbattleground either |
| 06:33.41 | swiftkick | but it works fine on the forums |
| 06:36.44 | khonkhortisan | is it a gu league/hix map? |
| 06:37.10 | swiftkick | yeah it says official GU league match server [usa] |
| 06:37.16 | swiftkick | but I never had problems signing in there before that I know of |
| 06:37.22 | khonkhortisan | And do you have a + next to your name when you join? |
| 06:37.41 | swiftkick | ya |
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| 06:37.50 | swiftkick | i do indeed have a + next to my name |
| 06:38.10 | khonkhortisan | So you're using your registered callsign but it's gu league that's not giving you spawn privs |
| 06:38.29 | swiftkick | I guess, yes |
| 06:38.37 | swiftkick | but as I pasted the server messages above |
| 06:38.47 | swiftkick | it doesnt say I need any special registration to sign in |
| 06:38.52 | swiftkick | just says resister at the forums |
| 06:39.09 | swiftkick | and I think Ive played on that server before with no problems, tho i cant be sure |
| 06:39.22 | khonkhortisan | openleague, gu league, and ducati I think all need you to ask for spawn privileges. |
| 06:39.34 | khonkhortisan | And there's hix maps that aren't official |
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| 06:41.05 | khonkhortisan | goes to bed |
| 06:41.26 | swiftkick | hmmmm well, thanks khonkhortisan |
| 06:41.41 | swiftkick | where would i request spawn privileges? |
| 06:48.15 | BulletCatcher | To be able to spawn on a GU match server you must first register at www.guleague.org, then request spawn privileges from one of the admins on the GU web site contact page. |
| 06:48.28 | swiftkick | Thanks BulletCatcher |
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| 12:14.26 | blast007 | swiftkick: and note that the match servers are not for general use - they're for league matches (official match or fun match). The public HiX maps are there if you just want to play, but not participate in a league. |
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| 17:08.53 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: is '/usr/lib64/libGL.so' the way that Fedora proper has it as well? |
| 17:14.38 | blast007 | is it perhaps missing a search path for /usr/lib64/ on his system? |
| 17:19.56 | blast007 | a ld search path, that is |
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| 18:02.40 | BulletCatcher | /usr/lib64/libGL.so is provided by the mesa-libGL-devel Fedora RPM. |
| 18:03.02 | BulletCatcher | Generally 64-bit libraries are in /usr/lib64 on Fedora. |
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| 18:03.38 | blast007 | does the proprietary AMD/ATI drivers provide that file as well? |
| 18:03.53 | BulletCatcher | I have NVIDIA, so I don't know. |
| 18:04.29 | blast007 | ditto :) |
| 18:05.03 | blast007 | hmm, actually I have an AMD card about 8 feet behind me.. wonder if I can anything I can throw it in. |
| 18:05.05 | BulletCatcher | Since it is part of mesa on Fedora I would expect it to be the same on Debian derivitaves. |
| 18:05.33 | BulletCatcher | The README.Linux file suggests that would be the libgl1-mesa-dev package. |
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| 18:06.13 | JeffM | I bleive that ATI is built on top of mesa |
| 18:06.27 | JeffM | I have never heard of them having there own GL stack |
| 18:12.07 | blast007 | I think nVidia replaces files with their own copies |
| 18:16.24 | blast007 | I'm gonna check with this HD3450 I have sitting here. |
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| 18:47.00 | swigg | TimRiker?? Here??!?? |
| 18:48.47 | TimRiker | happens most work days. don't get excited |
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| 19:12.01 | FastLizard4 | alezakos: ? |
| 19:12.35 | alezakos | is being nosy |
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| 21:12.48 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: on a stock install of Fuduntu, configure correctly found a working OpenGL library |
| 21:13.09 | blast007 | my guess is the user screwed up their system when they manually installed the AMD drivers |
| 21:14.45 | blast007 | the 13.1 Catalyst driver is provided by the distro's repo, so they should probably have just used the "hardware drivers" control panel to activate the proprietary driver |
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