| 00:06.37 | khonkhortisan | Distributed is the way of the future |
| 00:13.56 | blast007 | drizzo4shizzo: I would suggest that Git jumps off a bridge ;) |
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| 00:34.38 | drizzo4shizzo | blast -- there is an overwhelming wall of commands at first I agree, but you only need a handful |
| 00:34.49 | drizzo4shizzo | once you go git, the rest is shit |
| 00:34.58 | blast007 | watch the language please :) |
| 00:35.00 | spldart | Language |
| 00:35.00 | drizzo4shizzo | oh sorry |
| 00:35.09 | drizzo4shizzo | i'm new. |
| 00:35.19 | blast007 | if we're gonna switch, we'd probably go with Mercurial |
| 00:35.28 | drizzo4shizzo | aah multiple heads NOOOO |
| 00:35.52 | drizzo4shizzo | I kid I kid. DVCS++ |
| 00:36.23 | blast007 | the fun part would be trying to preserve history |
| 00:36.29 | drizzo4shizzo | its not hard with git |
| 00:36.35 | blast007 | no, it would be |
| 00:36.44 | drizzo4shizzo | really its not that bad |
| 00:36.46 | drizzo4shizzo | I've done it |
| 00:36.59 | blast007 | the issue is our existing repo |
| 00:37.14 | drizzo4shizzo | would it be easier in mercurial? |
| 00:37.19 | blast007 | we have multiple projects in it, and the locations of things have moved over the years, and some stuff wasn't done consistently |
| 00:37.31 | drizzo4shizzo | yeah... gotcha... |
| 00:37.44 | blast007 | so regardless of what we go to, it's gonna be a pain |
| 00:38.05 | blast007 | might be lots of manual work definining what change goes where |
| 00:38.24 | drizzo4shizzo | I tried to git svn clone your repo |
| 00:38.33 | drizzo4shizzo | it uh, it was never going to finish |
| 00:39.00 | blast007 | http://git.bzfx.net/bzflag.git/ ;) |
| 00:39.05 | drizzo4shizzo | ooh :-D |
| 00:39.16 | blast007 | but that doesn't seem to be up to date |
| 00:39.58 | drizzo4shizzo | I could probably start there and graft the remaining commits on with git filter branch or something, but I'm out of my git comfort zone already |
| 00:40.17 | drizzo4shizzo | yeah I think I wouild just use that |
| 00:40.34 | drizzo4shizzo | nevermind I'm not sure how to do it... |
| 00:41.03 | blast007 | git-magic alla kazam |
| 00:41.29 | drizzo4shizzo | I'm cloning just the trunk now. I'm at like commit 7,000 so I guess I'm about 30% |
| 00:42.26 | drizzo4shizzo | git svn lets me work in git and just have it talk to SVN for pushes and pulls / rebasing (not that I'll be pushing anything) |
| 00:43.57 | blast007 | what SVN URL are you using? |
| 00:44.05 | drizzo4shizzo | so.. if you're not sure but you *might* like git -- its a great "training wheels" approach |
| 00:44.25 | drizzo4shizzo | https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk |
| 00:44.31 | blast007 | that's the old URL |
| 00:44.34 | blast007 | ~bzsvn |
| 00:44.34 | ibot | rumour has it, bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/bzflag/code/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 00:44.35 | drizzo4shizzo | oh! |
| 00:45.02 | drizzo4shizzo | wait what is bzsvn |
| 00:45.11 | blast007 | the BZFlag SVN factoid :P |
| 00:45.21 | drizzo4shizzo | I guess I'll "check it out" |
| 00:47.46 | blast007 | hrm, I wish the old URL would just stop working completely. It's giving old code, back from the 18th. |
| 00:48.01 | blast007 | that's worse than if it just errored out |
| 00:48.04 | drizzo4shizzo | yeah I know. thats why I figured something was wrong with my git-svn :-P |
| 00:48.09 | drizzo4shizzo | hence the re-clone |
| 00:48.26 | drizzo4shizzo | so.. how big is the other stuff under trunk (bzedit etc) |
| 00:48.32 | drizzo4shizzo | should I check it out or... not... |
| 00:49.21 | drizzo4shizzo | ooh pybzflag? could it be??? |
| 00:51.03 | blast007 | could it be a version of BZFlag in python that targets ancient versions of Python and Python libraries and is protocol incompatible with any BZFlag from the last 8 to 10 years (if compatible with any) and was probably never near complete? yes |
| 00:51.23 | drizzo4shizzo | still cool that it exists in any form in my book |
| 00:51.37 | blast007 | it was an experiment |
| 00:52.16 | drizzo4shizzo | ah, Science. when was the repo url switch? |
| 00:53.44 | drizzo4shizzo | so it's the case that 3.0 is kind of.. not in active dev? |
| 01:00.36 | blast007 | 3.0 hasn't been in "active dev" for years ;) |
| 01:20.02 | drizzo4shizzo | is there some kind of roadmap document somewhere? |
| 01:20.15 | drizzo4shizzo | perhaps I should look at trac |
| 01:21.00 | blast007 | ignore trac |
| 01:21.17 | blast007 | http://wiki.bzflag.org/Development_RoadMap |
| 01:21.53 | drizzo4shizzo | yeah haha I just foudn that. sorry |
| 01:21.58 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:22.18 | blast007 | some of the stuff in 2.6 there should probably be 2.8 (like Lua) |
| 01:22.55 | drizzo4shizzo | joysticks? really? |
| 01:23.15 | blast007 | looking at 2.4.4? |
| 01:26.05 | drizzo4shizzo | yeah - so.. dumb question -- what does one do client side with LUA |
| 01:31.08 | blast007 | well, it allowed for new graphical effects, new gameplay styles, etc |
| 01:31.37 | blast007 | for instance, there was a server instance where you had to bounce your shots off an object before they became lethal |
| 01:31.54 | drizzo4shizzo | ah I think I saw someone mention that |
| 01:34.09 | drizzo4shizzo | its not clear to me yet what happens where :-| |
| 01:34.21 | drizzo4shizzo | looks like much will change there in 3.4 |
| 01:35.02 | blast007 | Lots of stuff still happens in the client. The server is still pretty much a dumb relay. |
| 01:35.29 | drizzo4shizzo | the main thing here is cheating prevention? |
| 01:35.44 | blast007 | that's a big one, yeah |
| 01:36.14 | blast007 | but it could also help with making the game more flexible |
| 01:38.02 | drizzo4shizzo | I guess this would need a beefier server but maybe it would allow lighter clients too |
| 01:38.54 | drizzo4shizzo | I told JeffM you guys should set up like a paypal donate thing |
| 01:40.59 | drizzo4shizzo | do you guys work in the gaming biz? |
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| 01:43.52 | drizzo4shizzo | hey jeffM |
| 01:44.03 | drizzo4shizzo | blast was just telling me about how you're gonna switch to git |
| 01:44.16 | jeffm | huh? |
| 01:44.55 | drizzo4shizzo | sorry jeff - I can dream man |
| 01:45.21 | jeffm | I would not be against a DVCS there are just better ones then git |
| 01:45.33 | drizzo4shizzo | that is his thought as well he seems to like HG |
| 01:45.45 | jeffm | it has some better features |
| 01:45.53 | drizzo4shizzo | I like that it is written in Python, but I'm not sure about its branching |
| 01:46.02 | jeffm | and has had a better supported windows client for longer |
| 01:46.05 | drizzo4shizzo | I've barely ever used it... |
| 01:46.07 | jeffm | they all do branching ;) |
| 01:46.15 | drizzo4shizzo | svn doesn't do it |
| 01:46.30 | jeffm | yes it does, it's just different |
| 01:46.36 | jeffm | it uses 3 way merges to handle it |
| 01:46.55 | drizzo4shizzo | my understanding is svn just puts your code in different directories and calls them branches |
| 01:47.02 | jeffm | sure |
| 01:47.16 | jeffm | how's that different then a branch in a dvcd :) |
| 01:47.22 | drizzo4shizzo | oh man |
| 01:47.28 | jeffm | it's just a different implementation of the same concept |
| 01:47.36 | drizzo4shizzo | yeah in a way that is true |
| 01:47.38 | jeffm | the DVCS is just tailored to many private branches that get merged in later |
| 01:48.37 | drizzo4shizzo | I should try HG before I get into a discussion about it. but if you have git questions I may be of help |
| 01:48.42 | jeffm | you can merge from any direction in svn to any other |
| 01:48.55 | drizzo4shizzo | yes but branches in SVN are a nightmare |
| 01:48.57 | jeffm | I am aware of what GIT can do I have used it |
| 01:49.05 | jeffm | I've never had a problem with them |
| 01:49.15 | jeffm | the people that say that usually just don't understand how they work |
| 01:49.25 | drizzo4shizzo | I love the fact that I can work on my own feature branch, keeping up to date with rebase |
| 01:49.35 | jeffm | sure that's a private fork |
| 01:49.38 | drizzo4shizzo | and eventually condense all my commits into a small nubmer of actual "commits I want to share" |
| 01:49.42 | drizzo4shizzo | and push those |
| 01:49.57 | jeffm | that works well if you are insular, not so well if you want to work as part of a big group |
| 01:50.07 | drizzo4shizzo | in a big group |
| 01:50.14 | drizzo4shizzo | you just have more shared branches |
| 01:50.15 | jeffm | I actually want you to commit every day so everyone else can see your code |
| 01:50.21 | drizzo4shizzo | nooooo |
| 01:50.24 | jeffm | yeah you have to do more personal bookkeeping |
| 01:50.45 | drizzo4shizzo | I prefer to use the version control to mange my workflow, but not foist my workflow upon my coworkers |
| 01:50.56 | jeffm | are you a contractor? |
| 01:51.04 | drizzo4shizzo | like if I'm working on a feature... and its not ready for prime time |
| 01:51.13 | drizzo4shizzo | I suspect we're on the same page here |
| 01:51.23 | drizzo4shizzo | yeah I work for a little shop in MD |
| 01:51.43 | jeffm | yeah that workflow works for contractors who are given "features" like that to implement |
| 01:51.47 | jeffm | when they are nice and modular |
| 01:52.05 | jeffm | when they aren't then it can suck for everyone else to get a giant code dump |
| 01:52.29 | jeffm | then the rest of us have to figure out if your code dump will work with the rest of the stuff we work on |
| 01:52.32 | drizzo4shizzo | I guess the giant code dump is scary, but it might even just be one or two commits... |
| 01:52.35 | drizzo4shizzo | so if you need to revert |
| 01:52.45 | drizzo4shizzo | you don't have to go back and put humpty dumpty together again |
| 01:52.47 | jeffm | I don't want to revert |
| 01:53.00 | jeffm | I want to see your code as you do it, and talk to you as you do it :) |
| 01:53.06 | drizzo4shizzo | thats cool, I agree |
| 01:53.16 | drizzo4shizzo | I think another tool could do that before the push to shared repo :-P |
| 01:53.16 | jeffm | but I don't want to have to bug you for your pivate work constantly and merge it into mine |
| 01:53.21 | drizzo4shizzo | ah |
| 01:53.33 | drizzo4shizzo | so. you want a collaborative tool which isn't necessarily the VCS |
| 01:53.40 | jeffm | if you commit often then I can see your code develop and say "hey, you need to take X into account" |
| 01:53.55 | jeffm | a vcd is not all parts of colaboration |
| 01:53.55 | drizzo4shizzo | ah, but I have already peed in the pool |
| 01:54.08 | jeffm | no you have drank the coolaid |
| 01:54.17 | drizzo4shizzo | Indeed I have sir :-D |
| 01:54.18 | jeffm | git people tend to be zealots :) |
| 01:54.28 | drizzo4shizzo | I was once an SVN holdout :-| |
| 01:54.44 | drizzo4shizzo | you are very right about those git people. what has happened to me |
| 01:54.47 | jeffm | I can undertand why git would work better for your workflow |
| 01:54.53 | jeffm | it just does to work for everyone |
| 01:55.04 | jeffm | you pick the best tool for your job :) |
| 01:55.14 | drizzo4shizzo | I would submit that git is very flexible and can pretty much handle any workflow |
| 01:55.38 | jeffm | you can make any tool work for any workflow :) |
| 01:55.46 | jeffm | if you understand the tool |
| 01:55.54 | jeffm | I'm not a fan of Git's user system mostly |
| 01:56.13 | drizzo4shizzo | oh you mean the wall of command options |
| 01:56.14 | jeffm | and it's poor tool support |
| 01:56.17 | drizzo4shizzo | the learning cliff you mean |
| 01:56.30 | jeffm | no the fact that it REALY wants a unix user per git user |
| 01:56.43 | drizzo4shizzo | i had never thought about that |
| 01:56.44 | jeffm | not everyone runs an OS that has users like that |
| 01:57.01 | drizzo4shizzo | supposedly the windows support is coming along, but I can't speak to it |
| 01:57.08 | jeffm | I'm sure it works fine if everyone uses linux and works alone |
| 01:57.14 | jeffm | it is better then it used to be |
| 01:57.18 | jeffm | but HG support is better |
| 01:57.34 | drizzo4shizzo | cool |
| 01:58.37 | drizzo4shizzo | ever try bazaar? |
| 01:58.53 | jeffm | most dvcs were used to replace patch submissions, and I agree that they are MUCH better then that |
| 01:58.58 | jeffm | but not everyone works that way |
| 01:59.37 | blast007 | the zealots are one of the biggest reasons I hate git ;) |
| 01:59.41 | jeffm | yeah |
| 01:59.44 | drizzo4shizzo | haha |
| 01:59.53 | jeffm | there are other choices so may as well go with them |
| 02:00.21 | drizzo4shizzo | don't get bit by git you might turn into one of the git zombies |
| 02:00.22 | jeffm | I've also had personal experience with Git merges eating the entire repository and requiring all kinds of rollbacks |
| 02:00.40 | blast007 | Git 'er done! |
| 02:01.49 | drizzo4shizzo | its funny how ppl defend their tools. so... I won't ask you about text editors |
| 02:02.14 | jeffm | again I am not against other tools, I just don't believe in blind faith in ANY tool |
| 02:02.36 | blast007 | don't worry. I don't use a text editor that can also connect to IRC and do the laundry. |
| 02:02.44 | drizzo4shizzo | faith is dangerous I like evidence |
| 02:02.48 | jeffm | no single tool is the solution to any problem, just like no single language is best for every project |
| 02:03.02 | jeffm | I use visual studio and notepad++ |
| 02:03.25 | drizzo4shizzo | I'm generally a vim guy |
| 02:03.44 | jeffm | on the mac I've used komodo edit with success, as well as monodev |
| 02:03.51 | blast007 | I use magnets and just write the bits to my hard drive directly |
| 02:04.01 | jeffm | I've been using eclipse for school, and it's friggin horrible |
| 02:04.03 | drizzo4shizzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.15 | blast007 | oh god, eclipse.. |
| 02:04.19 | jeffm | yeah |
| 02:04.27 | drizzo4shizzo | I use 'ed' too blast |
| 02:04.29 | jeffm | it is the worst IDE I have ever used |
| 02:04.49 | blast007 | I've tried using Aptana as well, which I think is based on Eclipse |
| 02:04.51 | jeffm | using an editor in a terminal window seems silly, you have the rest of the screen USE IT |
| 02:05.07 | jeffm | netbeans isn't bad but the instructor wants us to use eclipse |
| 02:05.07 | drizzo4shizzo | you can resize your terminal, or you could use gvim if you must :) |
| 02:05.15 | blast007 | I haven't yet found an editor that really does all that I need.. so I use several depending on what I'm doing ;) |
| 02:05.28 | khonkhortisan | I got eclipse stuck where mijyn complains every time it tries to autocomplete something - even if I turn it off |
| 02:05.35 | jeffm | yeah, I use Np++ for non code editing |
| 02:05.38 | jeffm | and geode and posts |
| 02:05.49 | jeffm | g-code I mean |
| 02:05.52 | drizzo4shizzo | is that free? sometimes I'm in windows land too |
| 02:05.54 | blast007 | EditPad Lite had some awesome multi-line find and replace that was handy for applying phpBB mods |
| 02:06.01 | jeffm | is what free? |
| 02:06.09 | drizzo4shizzo | I can google it but I meant np++ |
| 02:06.15 | jeffm | notepad ++ |
| 02:06.33 | blast007 | GPL licensed |
| 02:06.39 | drizzo4shizzo | nice |
| 02:06.43 | jeffm | yeah it's a scintilla based editor |
| 02:07.17 | drizzo4shizzo | thats neat I never heard of scintilla |
| 02:07.18 | jeffm | I really should use our editor at work that I maintain for g-code and posts, but I'm used to NP++ |
| 02:07.25 | jeffm | it's an editor component |
| 02:07.30 | jeffm | many apps use it |
| 02:07.41 | jeffm | we use it for our new editor |
| 02:07.59 | drizzo4shizzo | what are you doing in g-code |
| 02:08.07 | jeffm | making it |
| 02:08.12 | jeffm | that's what I do |
| 02:08.24 | drizzo4shizzo | I had to google it :) |
| 02:08.52 | jeffm | I work on the part of our software that generates g-code from our own scripting langauge |
| 02:09.46 | drizzo4shizzo | and what kinds of stuff are ur machines making, if I may be so bold sir |
| 02:10.01 | jeffm | we sell our software to people who have the machines |
| 02:10.11 | jeffm | they use it to make all kinds of things |
| 02:10.14 | drizzo4shizzo | My cousin just made a makerbot |
| 02:10.33 | drizzo4shizzo | I suppose nobody uses g-code with that kind of tech tho |
| 02:10.50 | drizzo4shizzo | well he made some kind of 3-d printer. I'm not sure what its called.... |
| 02:10.55 | jeffm | our software was used to make the inner spindles of the curiosity rover, as well as the wheels of the previous two |
| 02:11.05 | jeffm | they are called 3d printers |
| 02:11.56 | drizzo4shizzo | heh so like you sometimes upload little tank models on the weekend |
| 02:11.57 | jeffm | ? |
| 02:12.00 | jeffm | we don't actually have any machines |
| 02:12.09 | jeffm | other then the one I built |
| 02:12.15 | drizzo4shizzo | so much for that plan then |
| 02:12.39 | jeffm | the bz tank would print pretty well |
| 02:12.48 | drizzo4shizzo | :-D |
| 02:13.13 | jeffm | we do subtractive manufacturing, 3d printing is additive manufacturing |
| 02:13.24 | drizzo4shizzo | right |
| 02:13.28 | drizzo4shizzo | you do high precision stuff |
| 02:13.36 | mebigfatguy | was gonna say, the muzzle would be a little tough with 3d |
| 02:13.39 | jeffm | Additive is mostly a hobby, it's less then 1/2% a percent of modern CNC machines |
| 02:13.40 | drizzo4shizzo | 3d printing is great for like, not space parts :) |
| 02:13.40 | jeffm | naw |
| 02:13.51 | drizzo4shizzo | ah yes CNC |
| 02:13.52 | jeffm | you'd print it solid or filled with a mesh |
| 02:14.13 | drizzo4shizzo | I want a milled BZ tank. I've got $20. |
| 02:14.13 | jeffm | 3d sintering can be used to make near casting quality initial socks |
| 02:14.29 | jeffm | then get a mill |
| 02:14.45 | drizzo4shizzo | surely there is some kind of winkflash3d.com or something out there |
| 02:15.47 | jeffm | there are services that will print any model |
| 02:16.05 | jeffm | you could print the tank easy in 3 parts |
| 02:16.23 | drizzo4shizzo | looks like $95 gets you in |
| 02:16.24 | jeffm | do the body upside down |
| 02:16.27 | drizzo4shizzo | http://www.firstcut.com/ |
| 02:16.58 | drizzo4shizzo | why upside down |
| 02:17.07 | jeffm | it's flat |
| 02:17.16 | jeffm | overhangs are harder |
| 02:17.26 | blast007 | http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=18448 |
| 02:18.38 | drizzo4shizzo | LOL ceramic tanks |
| 02:19.38 | drizzo4shizzo | those are awesome, but I'd like a high precision aluminum one... |
| 02:20.05 | blast007 | with realistic jumping motion! |
| 02:20.26 | drizzo4shizzo | LOL |
| 02:21.05 | mebigfatguy | not bad |
| 02:21.23 | khonkhortisan | I thought it was smaller until I saw the hand holding it |
| 02:22.00 | drizzo4shizzo | JeffM I'm gifting you and Blast custom non-CNC milled metal tanks. I'm going to make them myself. Sorry tho they'll have the N flag... |
| 02:22.14 | drizzo4shizzo | no wait, CL :-D |
| 02:22.28 | khonkhortisan | printout for N |
| 02:22.39 | mebigfatguy | i've got a whole fleet of 3d printed tanks with CL flags |
| 02:22.55 | blast007 | me too.. but I can't see to find where I put them... |
| 02:22.58 | blast007 | seem* |
| 02:23.01 | khonkhortisan | don't forget to print printer parts before it breaks |
| 02:23.18 | khonkhortisan | need to run around the building holding a SE tank |
| 02:28.21 | drizzo4shizzo | anyone here near a tank and interested in trying out a new game mode plugin? |
| 02:30.18 | drizzo4shizzo | don't all jump at once. |
| 02:30.24 | drizzo4shizzo | there will be a bullet where you land :-D |
| 02:32.12 | jeffm | how is that any fun? |
| 02:33.08 | drizzo4shizzo | "ALL IT DOES IS SHOOT YOU!" </griffin> |
| 02:33.12 | khonkhortisan | You could make there be a bullet above where you jump just as easily |
| 02:33.25 | khonkhortisan | Is it for training people to shoot people before they land? |
| 02:33.31 | drizzo4shizzo | can you spawn bullets? |
| 02:33.36 | drizzo4shizzo | I guess you could fire a world weapon |
| 02:34.04 | drizzo4shizzo | oh, Ass Cannon now actually shoots yourself |
| 02:34.26 | drizzo4shizzo | no this is the gun game thing I mentioned over in the forums |
| 02:34.50 | khonkhortisan | I as a player of this game would accept double/triple point as the successor(s) to genocide. |
| 02:35.10 | drizzo4shizzo | wait what? |
| 02:35.21 | jeffm | Geno should just be made a plugin |
| 02:36.33 | khonkhortisan | You can avoid laser by jumping to a different height. GM by driving in a circle. ST/CL by watching from the corner of the map. Geno can't really be avoided. |
| 02:36.58 | jeffm | exactly, it's a death with no skill |
| 02:37.27 | khonkhortisan | If geno was made into a plugin, could it be made by default to require that plugin before geno will work? |
| 02:37.39 | jeffm | yes that's the point |
| 02:37.46 | jeffm | so it doesn't show up in +s servers |
| 02:38.12 | drizzo4shizzo | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EWUa0TTWH0 |
| 02:38.27 | drizzo4shizzo | not sure its kosher to post links to youtube. sorry if not so :-| |
| 02:38.54 | khonkhortisan | it would be difficult enough just to build one of those, not to mention animating it |
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| 04:29.50 | Guest76783 | so if 2 tanks with SR collide, who dies first |
| 04:30.27 | Guest76783 | I assume its not based on altitude? |
| 04:31.26 | Guest76783 | got a little tie breaker issue to handle here :-) |
| 04:31.46 | khonkhortisan | goes to test his memory |
| 04:32.15 | mebigfatguy | i believe each tank see's if it dies, if one is laggy it might not see the collision until the other is dead |
| 04:34.08 | khonkhortisan | with a local test, same height they both die, different height bottom dies |
| 04:34.17 | Guest76783 | ooh neat |
| 04:34.30 | Guest76783 | that might be good enough as a tie breaker for my end-game scenario |
| 04:34.56 | Guest76783 | also, implications for a joust game plugin :-D |
| 04:35.35 | Guest76783 | 3d joust would be terrible :-| |
| 04:36.45 | khonkhortisan | WG+SR+-ms 0 |
| 04:49.15 | JeffM | all deaths are local |
| 04:49.36 | JeffM | the server has no say |
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| 05:12.02 | khonkhortisan | You also can't have your own client recognize another client's deaths and ignore shots from it |
| 05:39.02 | BulletCatcher | Since trac at SF is deprecated, should I go ahead and disable it? |
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| 09:05.02 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Thibaud * 0 /User:Thibaud: |
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| 11:40.38 | Delusional | SR vs SR is kinda like shockwave too... if you back up at just the right time you can save yourself while killing the other. You'll see this better if you raise SR Radius. |
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| 12:00.14 | Guest76783 | with *very* limited testing here (3-4 players) I haven't seen the local custom sound thing crash a client |
| 12:01.38 | Guest76783 | that is, trigger a custom local sound from a plugin - this was crashing clients at some point |
| 12:24.47 | blast007 | Guest76783: what operating systems have you been having test? I think it was either OSX or Linux that would crash |
| 12:27.01 | blast007 | and yes, both SR and SW are lag dependent (and SW is also movement dependent, since it isn't an infinitely fast expansion), so the tank moving away from the other tank will usually win |
| 12:27.17 | Guest76783 | this was linux server and mostly windows clients |
| 12:27.47 | Guest76783 | the only linux client was local |
| 12:28.27 | Guest76783 | there were also some other clients which didn't have the sounds installed - they didn't have any problems from the failure |
| 12:30.10 | blast007 | Guest80113: someone else has the name trogdor registered |
| 12:30.21 | Guest80113 | yeah I see... |
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| 14:28.49 | joevano | could someone ping me to see if i have my hilight setting corrected? |
| 14:30.17 | BulletCatcher | joevano: ping |
| 14:30.49 | joevano | well back to the drawing board... thanks |
| 14:30.56 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 14:32.56 | joevano | BulletCatcher: could you try again, thanks |
| 14:33.23 | BulletCatcher | joevano: I'm too busy now. |
| 14:33.36 | joevano | fixed :- |
| 14:33.39 | BulletCatcher | yay |
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| 17:49.39 | JeffM | ok, so I have 2 questions. 1 is easy, the other will spark a huge debate |
| 17:49.43 | Notify | 03BZFlag:jeffm2501 * 22717 (trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ShotManager.cxx trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ShotManager.h): Add event function hooks for shot manager so that we can install listeners for when things happen. |
| 17:49.52 | JeffM | 1) can someone with gcc 4.4 see if that builds :) |
| 17:50.15 | JeffM | 2) does anyone actualy like the { after the statement instead of on the next line? |
| 17:52.51 | DTRemenak | does :) |
| 17:53.25 | JeffM | ok, there is one |
| 17:53.49 | DTRemenak | monitors haven't gotten any taller, sadly |
| 17:53.58 | JeffM | turn them arround ;) |
| 17:54.02 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 17:54.13 | JeffM | I tried that once it was odd |
| 17:54.25 | DTRemenak | will not argue to keep the 80-column limit...they HAVE gotten wider :) |
| 17:54.41 | JeffM | and higher resolution |
| 17:55.06 | allejo | prefers next line |
| 17:55.09 | JeffM | You missed Free Pizza day yesterday |
| 17:55.54 | JeffM | ok are we pretty sure the shared pointer is going to work? should I remove the legacy pointer version of the shot list? |
| 17:55.57 | DTRemenak | higher resolution, but no more vertical pixels. 1280x1024 to 1920x1080 is only 56 pixels of vertical growth. |
| 18:01.53 | khonkhortisan | I use { next line when function, same line when statement. |
| 18:02.49 | JeffM | eww |
| 18:02.59 | allejo | inconsistency? D: |
| 18:03.03 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:03.25 | JeffM | I prefer them on the next line so the brackets match up |
| 18:03.42 | allejo | ^ amen |
| 18:07.16 | JeffM | wow thanks SF for showing me that there are 6 new tickets.. and then not showing me what trackers they are in :( |
| 18:07.23 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 18:07.32 | JeffM | or even what ones are new |
| 18:07.38 | JeffM | oh I see |
| 18:07.41 | JeffM | it's not how many are new |
| 18:07.44 | khonkhortisan | I can rotate my monitor in software easier than in hardware |
| 18:07.45 | JeffM | it's how many trackers we have |
| 18:07.55 | JeffM | that's useles |
| 18:07.57 | DTRemenak | are they making their tracking system even worse? |
| 18:08.01 | khonkhortisan | The 6 new trackers are in the 6 old trackers |
| 18:08.05 | JeffM | just the dashboard |
| 18:08.05 | DTRemenak | 'cause it was already kinda week |
| 18:08.10 | DTRemenak | weak even |
| 18:08.20 | JeffM | it seems they have never used an iPhone |
| 18:08.35 | JeffM | a number in a box off the corner of an icon is how many new things you have |
| 18:10.56 | JeffM | it does look like they added milestone support to the tracker |
| 18:11.22 | JeffM | ok well renamed the field that we used for bug type to "milestone"...... |
| 18:12.16 | allejo | jeffm, is gcc4.7 good to test with? |
| 18:12.26 | JeffM | I'm curious about all GCCs |
| 18:12.36 | JeffM | but mostly I want to know if 4.4 handles the std::function |
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| 18:36.04 | allejo | JeffM, latest trunk compiles fine with gcc 4.7 |
| 18:38.34 | JeffM | cool, thanks allejo |
| 18:53.19 | BulletCatcher | No problems with gcc-4.4. |
| 18:53.25 | JeffM | cool, thanks |
| 19:04.42 | brlcad | { next line for function and same line for statement is basically classic k&r style, super common |
| 19:05.05 | brlcad | was also formalized as the BSD Kernel Normal Form: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_style#BSD_KNF_style |
| 19:07.13 | brlcad | 'usually' prefers same line curlies, but depends -- most important is uniformity |
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| 19:41.02 | khonkhortisan | I don't like whitesmiths style |
| 19:42.14 | BulletCatcher | There is no one style that everyone likes. |
| 19:42.22 | khonkhortisan | yep |
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| 20:03.14 | JeffM | ooof.. you know your poject isn't very far allong when ohloh reports taht 15% of your codebase is "autoconf" |
| 20:03.51 | JeffM | ether that or you REALLY like configuring things |
| 20:09.19 | Constitution | I prefer { on the same line too, but it's not a big deal and I really don't write much new code |
| 21:06.59 | JeffM | aww man, we don't have a matrix class |
| 21:07.01 | JeffM | just vectors |
| 21:11.07 | blast007 | so the matrix doesn't have us? |
| 21:14.20 | JeffM | nope |
| 21:29.34 | JeffM | did notify get sick and die? |
| 21:30.06 | BulletCatcher | Yeah, Notify timed out a couple of hours ago. |
| 21:30.19 | JeffM | well I checked in a bunch of changes to the shot manager |
| 21:30.35 | JeffM | you should be able to tell if a player has been hit by a shockwave or not now |
| 21:31.12 | JeffM | figure I can use that to hook it into SSPs and see if I can get them to die when hit by them |
| 21:34.39 | BulletCatcher | We miss Notify, brlcad. |
| 21:41.50 | Notify | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.13 | Notify | Miss me no more!!! |
| 21:42.29 | BulletCatcher | This is not the Notify we are looking for. </jedi> |
| 21:42.39 | Notify | dammit Janet!!! |
| 21:43.02 | Notify | */brad |
| 21:43.42 | BulletCatcher | erases the chalk heart from the chapel door |
| 21:44.04 | swigg | Do the time warp!!! |
| 21:59.25 | khonkhortisan | 03BZFlag:jeffm2501 * 22722 (trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ShotManager.cxx trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ShotManager.h) make more of the shot data public so the logic class can access it |
| 22:01.02 | JeffM | heh, that commit message was MUCH longer then that |
| 22:01.58 | khonkhortisan | I just did the first line |
| 22:02.22 | swigg | Do you guys have a new release in the works? |
| 22:03.06 | JeffM | nothing other then what's been on the roadmap forever |
| 22:03.38 | swigg | What? Like 3.0? |
| 22:03.53 | swigg | 3.0 looked so great. |
| 22:04.02 | swigg | was it not fit to release? |
| 22:04.06 | JeffM | nope |
| 22:04.13 | swigg | sure looked ok to me |
| 22:04.17 | JeffM | nobody wanted to work on it |
| 22:04.49 | blast007 | another problem with 3.0 was that too much was added with too little testing |
| 22:05.01 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:05.08 | JeffM | and those that added it kinda peetered out |
| 22:05.30 | swigg | It seemed to work, at least to the layman |
| 22:05.31 | JeffM | the roadmap has us continuing 2.6 with more backports |
| 22:05.48 | blast007 | swigg: it was largely unplayable |
| 22:06.01 | swigg | Oh; well I only played a test map or two |
| 22:06.07 | blast007 | with other people? |
| 22:06.33 | swigg | yes, I think so; there were a few owners with test maps; I got invited a time or two |
| 22:06.44 | swigg | but only 3 or 4 of us |
| 22:06.58 | swigg | It was such a treat |
| 22:07.19 | JeffM | the code isn't lost, we can backport all the good stuff |
| 22:07.34 | JeffM | some of the things I did for 2.4 are better then the versions I did in 2.99 |
| 22:13.06 | JeffM | the very next thing on the roadmap is a 2.4.4 |
| 22:13.47 | JeffM | Time to go tutor students |
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| 23:55.17 | Guest80113 | so, anyone here want to test my not-yet-released plugin? |
| 23:55.43 | Guest80113 | its "GunGame" like counter strike - flag progression... |
| 23:56.28 | Guest80113 | I guess I'm almost ready to post it somewhere. I just hope the code isn't too embarrassing :-D |
| 23:58.20 | khonkhortisan | I'll try it, is there a server up? |
| 23:59.21 | Guest80113 | well i could start one |
| 23:59.38 | Guest80113 | I'm currently limiting to 12 players |
| 23:59.44 | Guest80113 | b/c I need to pre-allocate all the flags |