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| 00:41.41 | apeman_ | as i understand it, bzflag statistics sites run something like misc/bzfquery.py regularly on a server |
| 00:42.16 | apeman_ | is there a way to stay connected to the server and continue receiving changes without appearing as a player? |
| 00:42.31 | apeman_ | other than putting a plugin on the server |
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| 03:43.20 | BulletCatcher | apeman_: It looks like a stats client could maintain a connection to a server and periodically send MsgQueryGame requests. |
| 03:43.22 | BulletCatcher | Empty servers are normally expected to have no open TCP connections, however, so server owners might not react in a friendly manner if that is done without their prior permission. |
| 03:49.30 | apeman_ | BulletCatcher: can such a client receive things like player deaths? |
| 03:54.20 | jeffm | apeman_, no you'd have to do a full login as an observer client |
| 03:54.35 | BulletCatcher | The bzfquery scripts appear to process only the first message they receive from the server, which means they don't expect anthing else. |
| 03:55.04 | jeffm | only a few messages are available with out a full login |
| 03:55.13 | jeffm | query game and query player |
| 03:56.33 | jeffm | this is why most people use a plugin, it's easier then doing a script that pretends to be a full client |
| 04:00.22 | BulletCatcher | Found it: search for "isCompletelyAdded" in bzfs.cxx to see the list of all messages that are accepted before a player has been identified. |
| 04:01.06 | jeffm | yeah we added that to prevent some scripts from doing DDOS spam attacks with out doing a full add |
| 04:02.35 | BulletCatcher | One of the more visible abuses before we did that was chat messages from unidentified proto-players. |
| 04:02.38 | jeffm | what are you looking to do apeman_ ? |
| 04:03.55 | apeman_ | jeffm: collect more than just score for a statistics site |
| 04:04.20 | apeman_ | more than just periodic score, for example. |
| 04:04.20 | jeffm | from all servers or just a subset you control? |
| 04:04.24 | jeffm | sure |
| 04:04.34 | jeffm | yeah there are all kinds of problems with the current polling system |
| 04:04.40 | jeffm | thats why we wanted to do push stats |
| 04:04.54 | apeman_ | league servers |
| 04:04.58 | jeffm | you need the server to store and push, or you need an observer on every server |
| 04:05.36 | jeffm | a plugin would be the simplest way for league servers if you can get them to install it |
| 04:05.51 | jeffm | otherwise a moded bzadmin could do the observer role |
| 04:06.06 | jeffm | otherwise you'll be recreating most of what a client does |
| 04:06.27 | apeman_ | pushstat is a plugin. what is its state now? |
| 04:06.51 | jeffm | I think it tracks most of the stuff and then fires off a web query |
| 04:06.57 | jeffm | the plugin for it would be SUPER simple |
| 04:07.07 | jeffm | just register the events and then fire off web jobs |
| 04:07.36 | jeffm | then your website gets hit all the time |
| 04:29.10 | BulletCatcher | On the subject of the misc/bzfquery scripts ... |
| 04:29.30 | Notify | 03BZFlag:bullet_catcher * 22674 (trunk/bzflag/misc/bzfquery.php trunk/bzflag/misc/bzfquery.pl trunk/bzflag/misc/bzfquery.py): Use the correct bit value to distinguish servers where team killing is disabled. |
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| 22:21.37 | Constitution | do we have somewhere to put development builds now? or still on bz.bzflag.bz? |
| 22:45.23 | Notify | 03BZFlag:macsforme * 22675 trunk/bzflag/src/platform/SDLDisplay.cxx: Disable vsync when creating an SDL window to make the behavior consistent with older clients. |
| 22:47.48 | Notify | 03BZFlag:macsforme * 22676 (trunk/bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/SDLMain.h trunk/bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/SDLMain.m): Update SDL main function support for SDL 1.2.15. |
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| 23:33.50 | jeffm | blow out your bandwidth cap I_Died_Once ? |
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| 23:58.30 | blast007 | jeffm: just some plugin optimization needed afaik |
| 23:58.42 | jeffm | ahhh so cpu |
| 23:58.56 | blast007 | or disk IO |
| 23:59.26 | blast007 | plugin is working with an SQLite database |