| 00:39.05 | blast007 | JeffM: just an easier way than registering a new user account named 'bzflag' and then putting the repos there |
| 00:39.18 | blast007 | and it gives some better features for managing the team |
| 00:41.36 | allejo | moving to mercurial? |
| 00:42.05 | blast007 | allejo: maybe |
| 00:42.59 | allejo | why not zoidberg? err.. git |
| 00:49.33 | blast007 | because Git sucks |
| 00:50.34 | allejo | o.O |
| 00:53.09 | JeffM | all things linus touches are not gold ;) |
| 00:53.16 | JeffM | personaly I'm not a fan of how git handles users |
| 00:53.31 | JeffM | and blast007 seems to have a fair amount of experinece with hg |
| 00:53.43 | blast007 | s/fair/minimal/ ;) |
| 00:53.48 | JeffM | the windows tools for hg have also been stable for loinger |
| 00:53.55 | blast007 | I only know enough hg to buy a beer and ask where the bathroom is |
| 00:53.58 | JeffM | ok, well more then git ;) |
| 00:54.07 | JeffM | what else do you need to know? |
| 00:54.33 | JeffM | "I'm sorry I didn't know that was your daugther" |
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| 01:04.58 | jeffmOSX | would you want to keep SF for bugs and patches? |
| 01:06.57 | blast007 | maybe |
| 01:07.04 | blast007 | but we can actually export all of that |
| 01:07.09 | blast007 | so we could move it somewhere else |
| 01:07.46 | jeffmOSX | other systems may have better features |
| 01:07.57 | jeffmOSX | like developer grouping |
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| 07:48.15 | Constitution | I really don't understand the choice of mercurial over git either? git seems to have wide acceptance in the open source community already, so it should be already familiar to most people |
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| 11:22.06 | blast007 | Constitution: Git tools on Windows are not as good as they are for Mercurial. |
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| 19:01.53 | Constitution | blast007: is that the only reason? |
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| 19:26.26 | blast007 | what advantage does Git offer over Mercurial? |
| 19:51.48 | joevano | a holy war!! :-) |
| 19:54.36 | joevano | there are + and - for both but nothing earthshaking |
| 19:54.50 | joevano | here is a good article about them both http://importantshock.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/git-vs-mercurial/ |
| 19:55.50 | joevano | tldr... if you are moving to a DCVS pick one and stick with it |
| 19:56.42 | joevano | i prefer, git but have used both |
| 20:02.35 | joevano | I am sure that is mostly because it is the one I have used most |
| 20:04.43 | joevano | forums down for anyone else? |
| 20:10.44 | blast007 | working here |
| 20:10.59 | blast007 | but several minutes elapsed since you mentioned it |
| 20:15.18 | khonkhortisan | All I can say is -cvs is better with the d- |
| 20:15.57 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: he meant DVCS |
| 20:16.08 | khonkhortisan | oh |
| 20:16.14 | khonkhortisan | well I didn't know the letters either |
| 20:16.54 | blast007 | cvs and svn are a VCS, while stuff like git and mercurial are DVCS |
| 20:17.08 | blast007 | the D stand for distributed, and the VCS standing for Version Control System |
| 20:17.13 | blast007 | standing* |
| 20:17.50 | khonkhortisan | I wasn't sure about System |
| 20:17.59 | khonkhortisan | I knew it started with dvc |
| 20:18.20 | khonkhortisan | I haven't used mercurial enough |
| 20:18.25 | blast007 | version control sandwich |
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| 20:22.06 | gorgomol | hi |
| 20:22.25 | khonkhortisan | hello |
| 20:22.33 | gorgomol | anyone acheived to connect on db server lately ? |
| 20:24.47 | gorgomol | seems server list is down and have a little prob to reload |
| 20:26.03 | blast007 | it's working fine here, so maybe some route is bad |
| 20:26.55 | gorgomol | well , possible , but opendns are up ans i use apnic also , so very strange |
| 20:27.33 | gorgomol | i have 81 servers now |
| 20:30.21 | blast007 | so it is currently working for you? |
| 20:30.32 | gorgomol | ok seems the reload process is slower than usual |
| 20:30.49 | blast007 | "reload process" meaning what exactly? |
| 20:31.11 | gorgomol | the lsit server reload |
| 20:31.15 | gorgomol | list* |
| 20:38.02 | gorgomol | seems good , apnic* typo read opennic dns |
| 20:38.05 | gorgomol | nty |
| 20:38.10 | gorgomol | ty* |
| 20:39.15 | blast007 | yeah, it probably wasn't DNS but the routes |
| 20:39.38 | blast007 | one of the providers my host uses could have had issues, or a router could have been unhappy somewhere |
| 20:40.43 | gorgomol | ty for having take time to reply , l8rs |
| 20:42.14 | blast007 | cya :) |
| 21:10.26 | JeffM | mmmm sammich |
| 21:33.23 | Constitution | thanks joevano |
| 21:34.21 | Constitution | I acknowledge I have not used mercurial, but I used git for a personal project and it seemed simple, lean, and fast |
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| 21:34.38 | Constitution | even collaborated with JeffM for a little bit :) |
| 21:34.50 | JeffM | untill that bad merge ;) |
| 21:35.04 | JeffM | for the aspects you used, mercurial is identical |
| 21:35.14 | JeffM | it's windows tools have existed longer |
| 21:37.33 | Constitution | I acknowledge my apathy toward that factor |
| 21:40.44 | Constitution | I imagine git's linux tools have existed longer ;) |
| 21:41.43 | JeffM | yes |
| 21:42.21 | allejo | hehe |
| 21:42.37 | JeffM | tho mercurial has existed longer then git IIRC |
| 21:45.24 | JeffM | or for similar times |
| 21:45.58 | allejo | they were both started at relatively the same time |
| 21:46.12 | allejo | this reminds me of emacs vs vim |
| 21:46.45 | JeffM | it is a similar fight ;) |
| 21:46.56 | JeffM | tortoiseGit is more useable now then it has been in the past |
| 21:47.51 | JeffM | TortoiseHG is easier to install |
| 21:47.59 | JeffM | since it dosn't require you to install msysGit first |
| 21:48.17 | JeffM | ahh looks like they finaly made a full installer, good for them |
| 21:53.40 | JeffM | with git you just have to wait for linus to decide that you are in bed with MS and they he'll chew you out |
| 21:57.57 | Constitution | looks like Xcode integrates with both |
| 21:58.44 | JeffM | most IDEs have plugins that will integrate with anything |
| 22:00.19 | JeffM | honestly I don't think we will have techincal problems with ether one, the changes will be mostly social |
| 22:00.48 | JeffM | keeping people working together isntead of huge code dumps that have to be reviewed and picked apart |
| 22:01.27 | Constitution | also does anyone care if we be like everyone else and stop putting the version number in the .app filename, e.g. BZFlag.app instead of BZFlag-2.4.2.app? |
| 22:01.47 | Constitution | would simplify the build process a lot |
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| 22:01.55 | JeffM | would a user ever want to have more then one version intalled? |
| 22:02.26 | Constitution | I imagine only rarely, and if they do they can rename the .app |
| 22:02.35 | JeffM | then it should be fine to remove it |
| 22:02.59 | Constitution | k |
| 22:03.01 | JeffM | we don't put it in the name of the linux bin file ether |
| 22:03.19 | JeffM | the only reason to do it on windows is that we don't automaticly uninstall the old one |
| 22:04.17 | Constitution | I can think of few reasons to maintain multiple versions on the same machine? perhaps at proto break and for developers who also play regularly |
| 22:05.03 | Constitution | and for people who insist even still that 2.0.2 had sooooo much better graphics |
| 22:05.15 | JeffM | sure but can be handled with folders for your case |
| 22:05.29 | JeffM | same on linux where they'd build in a different dir |
| 22:06.09 | JeffM | we don't have to keep all the OSs the same down to how we name the depolyment, they are already so different at that level |
| 22:06.19 | JeffM | so do what works for the native OS |
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| 22:38.54 | blast007 | on Linux they'd probably have to build their own anyway - and we have easy methods of having multiple installs there |
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