| 00:00.06 | blast007 | Deadalot: please disable your away message :) |
| 00:28.18 | JeffM | spams the developers |
| 00:29.56 | blast007 | annndd... tim leaves.. |
| 00:30.02 | blast007 | sigh.. |
| 00:30.02 | JeffM | yep |
| 00:32.22 | allejo | you're selling hats? |
| 00:32.31 | JeffM | fake ones ;) |
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| 00:32.48 | allejo | hehe do you accept monopoly money? |
| 00:32.52 | JeffM | nope |
| 00:32.57 | JeffM | valve dosn't |
| 00:32.59 | allejo | aww :( |
| 00:32.59 | epyon | JeffM: woah, that took a lot of time :) |
| 00:33.08 | epyon | just popped in to say thanks :) |
| 00:33.17 | JeffM | thanks for your work on it :) |
| 00:33.32 | JeffM | we just decided to clean it up, the list is QUITE large |
| 00:33.34 | epyon | JeffM: I doubt it got a lot of use though :( |
| 00:33.46 | JeffM | parts of it did, how we process the maps |
| 00:33.56 | epyon | yay \o/ |
| 00:33.59 | JeffM | it was a good experience |
| 00:34.36 | epyon | late night live server testing of the maps is a great memory of mine :) |
| 00:34.41 | JeffM | heh |
| 00:34.50 | blast007 | bzwgen, was it? |
| 00:34.56 | JeffM | the fastmap plugin that came out of the project is quite useful |
| 00:35.43 | blast007 | I was just looking at that again back in December ;) |
| 00:36.33 | epyon | BTW, I had a crazy idea bout bzflag one day, and I don't know if I ever shared it, or maybe it's been already discussed -- maybe someone will do it someday |
| 00:37.14 | epyon | a plugin that you enter the name of a (big) city, and it downloads KLM's from Google Earth server and constructs a map out of that |
| 00:37.26 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:37.32 | epyon | would totally rule, even with the low-res textures |
| 00:37.56 | epyon | already discussed? :P |
| 00:38.02 | blast007 | no |
| 00:39.30 | epyon | I poked around the Google Earth API with my students and it seems that it would be technically viable |
| 00:39.42 | JeffM | it should be totaly techincaly viable |
| 00:40.00 | JeffM | not sure about the social implications, but techincaly sure |
| 00:40.24 | epyon | while most cities don't have enough geometry, places like New York, SFO, or Venice could work |
| 00:52.39 | khonkhortisan | as long as the ground is completely flat |
| 00:52.52 | khonkhortisan | the boxy buildings would be great in bzflag |
| 00:55.23 | I_Died_Once | how about a mod that'll change the wings flag from, instead of shot limits, theres jump limits... after X amount of jumps/wing flaps, the flag gets dropped and re-spawned |
| 00:55.59 | khonkhortisan | I hate shot limits, so anything that might reduce them I'm for. |
| 00:56.19 | I_Died_Once | I hate them too |
| 00:56.27 | khonkhortisan | kill limits aren't so bad |
| 01:06.45 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, in the current setup that would be hard, but it may be doable with a proto change and/or scripting |
| 01:06.58 | JeffM | the client dosn't tell the server it "flapped" |
| 01:13.25 | khonkhortisan | Is that why the server only has a height limit instead of a jump limit? |
| 01:20.43 | khonkhortisan | I mean, for cheat detection. |
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| 01:47.08 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: yeah |
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| 05:15.28 | javawizard | jeffm: Just got your email |
| 05:15.37 | javawizard | is still interested in contributing |
| 05:15.42 | jeffm | k |
| 05:16.00 | jeffm | we'll keep you on the books then |
| 05:16.10 | javawizard | k, thanks |
| 05:16.41 | jeffm | I figured some would thats why we sent the email |
| 05:17.27 | javawizard | Yeah, understandable |
| 05:18.20 | jeffm | there will probably be an email to those left next week to see who if any are willing to accept code assignments if they come up, and what kind of stuff interests them |
| 05:20.33 | jeffm | it'll also tell me who dosn't have a valid email on file with SF :) |
| 05:23.12 | khonkhortisan | but it won't tell me whether it'll tell you whether you think my email is valid |
| 05:23.42 | jeffm | huh? |
| 05:23.46 | khonkhortisan | :) |
| 05:23.51 | javawizard | It also won't make nonsensical statements any more sensical :) |
| 05:24.19 | khonkhortisan | If you happened to send me a similar email, and it got lost in my emails, you would think my email wasn't valid and I wouldn't know |
| 05:24.38 | jeffm | no, I mean the ones I get bounce messages from |
| 05:24.41 | javawizard | jeffm: It just occurred to me, on the idea (unsure if it's already been implemented) of not sending updates for ST tanks outside of the field of view, that that could be fairly easily circumvented by opening up an observer connection to the server |
| 05:24.42 | khonkhortisan | oh |
| 05:24.48 | jeffm | I have 17 emails I KNOW are invalid |
| 05:25.11 | jeffm | javawizard, that is something we'd like to do, but it's hard with lag to know where the "view" is |
| 05:25.36 | jeffm | once we have a better server state it'll be much easier to do things like that |
| 05:26.05 | jeffm | it's definitely the direction we want to go. |
| 05:26.53 | javawizard | Yeah |
| 05:27.00 | javawizard | What about the observer issue though? |
| 05:27.06 | jeffm | khonkhortisan, I got 17 bounces, 3 "thanks but I won't be doing anything" and one IRC join |
| 05:27.11 | javawizard | That seems a fairly gaping hole in the idea |
| 05:27.12 | jeffm | javawizard, you can't prevent all cheats |
| 05:27.18 | javawizard | Right |
| 05:27.22 | jeffm | if they are going to do that much, let em |
| 05:27.29 | jeffm | you mostly want to prevent the easy stuff |
| 05:27.36 | javawizard | True |
| 05:27.44 | jeffm | the harder it is to cheat the less people will do it |
| 05:28.01 | jeffm | and if the do all that and see an ST tank, ok, it's not the same as not dying when shot |
| 05:28.07 | jeffm | it limits what they can do |
| 05:29.27 | jeffm | also the tanks that are invisible in the view are visible on the radar, so it's always possible the player saw them there |
| 05:29.39 | jeffm | so game play wise the end effect is minimal |
| 05:30.07 | jeffm | you end up with the same problem with aimbots, the guy 'could' be that good |
| 05:30.19 | javawizard | Yeah, true |
| 05:30.30 | jeffm | but we have no instant hit weapons so it's not that big of a deal, you always have the chance to dodge |
| 05:30.41 | jeffm | well other then laser |
| 05:31.26 | jeffm | the aimbots are a bigger problem in other FPS games that do hitscan weapons |
| 05:32.23 | jeffm | along he same lines I think we should split radar updates from view updates, then we can decide how often each are sent based on where a player is and what is around them |
| 05:32.29 | jeffm | it could allow for much larger worlds and player counts |
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| 06:13.27 | khonkhortisan | the further away the dot is, the more jumpily it moves |
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| 17:44.19 | JeffM | so we lost the "upload an image" item in the wiki sidebar? |
| 17:44.56 | JeffM | nevermind, I wasn't logged in |
| 17:46.03 | JeffM | how do we add licensing options to the images? |
| 17:46.19 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 0 /File:BZ_Child_Accoutns_DB.png: Overview of the database design for the Master-Child account system.public domain. |
| 17:47.35 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8503 /Master-ChildAccountSystem: |
| 17:57.39 | JeffM | we need to update the copyright on weblogin |
| 18:18.24 | alezakos | <Notify> BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 0 /File:BZ_Child_Accoutns_DB.png: << typo |
| 18:18.50 | epyon | heh, I see you also created your own CIA bot :P |
| 18:18.58 | JeffM | we did not |
| 18:19.06 | JeffM | it's a service that exists |
| 18:19.58 | epyon | CIA replacement? |
| 18:20.10 | epyon | or just a botscript? |
| 18:20.25 | JeffM | I belive it works like CIA |
| 18:20.30 | JeffM | and supports multiple projects |
| 18:20.34 | JeffM | we don't do any work to maintain it |
| 18:21.52 | alezakos | Check out http://elfga.com/notify |
| 18:26.57 | JeffM | can we use SVG on the wiki? |
| 18:29.33 | alezakos | mediawiki should allow svg images, I think that imagemagick is required to convert them to thumbnails |
| 18:32.23 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 0 /File:Users_BZFlag_Org_Login_Mockup.svg: |
| 18:32.25 | JeffM | Error creating thumbnail: sh: 1: rsvg-convert: not found |
| 18:33.14 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 0 /File:Users_BZFlag_Org_Login_Mockup.png: |
| 18:33.19 | JeffM | summons blast007 &| joevano |
| 18:36.36 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 0 /File:Users_BZFlag_Org_ChildAccounts_Mockup.png: |
| 18:40.40 | BulletCatcher | The rsvg-convert program is provided by the Fedora librsvg2 package, so I assume that Debian has a package with a similar name. |
| 18:42.47 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8507 /Master-ChildAccountSystem: /* GUI Design */ |
| 18:42.48 | JeffM | probalby |
| 18:42.55 | JeffM | I just don't have access to the machine :) |
| 18:44.20 | JeffM | figures he may as well put this free copy of Visio to good use |
| 18:45.26 | JeffM | can someone with more HTML knowledge then me look over those mockups and tell me if they are decently feasable? |
| 18:51.55 | JeffM | well and to see if they are any good |
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| 19:00.17 | quentin_ | hi, I received the email saying that you were cleaning the contributors list. I'm an GSoC 2009 student (bug fixing project) and wondered: what is the current focus of development? 3.0? the wiki says "either third quarter of 2013 or 2020" |
| 19:00.32 | JeffM | the wiki is kinda wrong :) |
| 19:00.46 | quentin_ | and if it is, what is the status of the dead reckoning bug? |
| 19:00.48 | quentin_ | hi JeffM :) |
| 19:00.55 | JeffM | right now we are just working on bug fixes for 2.4.x |
| 19:01.06 | quentin_ | ok |
| 19:01.11 | JeffM | none of that has changed |
| 19:01.16 | JeffM | 2.99 got canned |
| 19:01.33 | JeffM | you can check out the development roadmap on the wiki for the current goals |
| 19:05.30 | quentin_ | thanks. I'm happy to see that BZFlag has a way forward even though some work has been ditched |
| 19:06.34 | JeffM | for the DR stuff, we want to see if we can get a better server state to handle things in a cleaner way |
| 19:08.17 | JeffM | the cleanup is mostly so that it's easier to do assignments for bug fixes and stuff, the user list is pretty long now |
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| 19:22.09 | quentin_ | (sure) |
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| 22:23.27 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8508 /DevelopmentGoals: update with more correct info and point to roadmap |
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| 22:30.38 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8509 /DevelopmentGoals: spell map right |
| 22:30.57 | Cobra_Fast | :O |
| 22:43.04 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8510 /BZFlag_3.0: Remove items that were backported to 2.4, change tense, note location and current disposition of codebase. Remove release information. |
| 22:43.40 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 0 /BZFlag_3.0: The codebase was never released as 3.0, so name the page 2.99 |
| 22:47.26 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8512 /Flag_Lis: Remove references to flags that were never released or are in inactive codebases, People will wonder where they are |
| 22:48.25 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8513 /Box: Remove references to inactive codebases |
| 22:51.15 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8514 /Plug-ins: update list of pluigns |
| 22:51.55 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8515 /Plug-ins: current is 2.4.x not 2.99 |
| 22:52.45 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8516 /Box: current is 2.4.x not 2.99 |
| 22:55.01 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8517 /BZFlag_2.0.9: current is 2.4.x not 2.99 |
| 22:55.31 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8518 /BZFlag_2.0.6: /* History */ 3.0 was never released |
| 22:56.41 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8519 /Known_Cheats: Link to roadmap for future changes not 3.0 specific page. |
| 22:57.11 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8520 /Versions: /* Released versions of BZFlag */ 3.0 was never released |
| 23:00.26 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8521 /Versions: Add section for development releases so people don't think we shipped 2.0.9 or 2.3 |
| 23:01.31 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8522 /Arc: current is 2.4.x not 2.99 |
| 23:02.01 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8523 /ThiefControl: Plugin was backported to 2.4 |
| 23:02.57 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8524 /BZFlag_CVS: 2.99 is not CVS HEAD |
| 23:03.25 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8525 /Box: How many times can the BOX article reference 3.0? |
| 23:04.30 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 0 /BZFlag_2.2: 2.2 was a concept that became 3.0, all info for 3.0 is documented under 2.99, there is no need to keep the 2.2 article to confuse people as there is no code or release by that name. |
| 23:05.19 | JeffM | Cobra_Fast, you still working on "Web BZFS Manager" ? |
| 23:05.30 | Cobra_Fast | LOL! |
| 23:06.11 | JeffM | I'll take that as a "no" |
| 23:06.23 | JeffM | the wiki page for it references the 3.0 page |
| 23:06.25 | Cobra_Fast | the source is still available, but i havnt touched it for years |
| 23:06.56 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8526 /Web_BZFS_Manager: /* Future */ 3.0 was never released, point to 2.99 dev archive page |
| 23:07.03 | JeffM | you may want to indicate that the project is not maintained on the wiki page then |
| 23:07.37 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8527 /Web_BZFS_Manager: /* Future */ use the English right! |
| 23:08.09 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 0 /BZFlag_3: not needed, 2.99 ref page shows in all the correct categories, and new 3.0 may be totaly different. |
| 23:09.22 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8528 /User:Yrogirg/Tes: /* Tune the graphics */ correct moved page |
| 23:09.42 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Cobra Fast * 8529 /Web_BZFS_Manager: Add warning box. |
| 23:09.45 | Cobra_Fast | there we go |
| 23:10.03 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8530 /DevelopmentPlans/2.3: 3.0 was was named 2.99 |
| 23:10.22 | JeffM | there we go, 3.0 is no longer referenced on the wiki |
| 23:10.26 | JeffM | thanks Cobra_Fast |
| 23:13.24 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8531 /Main_Page: 2.4 is over half a year old, update the main page news article to be somewhat current (only 5 2.0.x servers exist) |
| 23:13.46 | JeffM | the main page still said "only half the servers have moved" |
| 23:15.29 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8532 /Download: /* Beta Image */ this section was totally out of date and linked to dead sites |
| 23:16.39 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8533 /Download: /* Previous Incompatible Release: 2.0 */ remove 2.0.x builds as to not confuse new uses. The community has transitioned to 2.4 |
| 23:18.16 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8534 /Getting_Started: /* Windows */ 2.4.2 not 2.4.0 |
| 23:19.27 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8535 /Getting_Started: /* Mac OSX */ 2.4.2 not 2.4.0 |
| 23:23.08 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8536 /Releases: /* Articles in category "Releases" */ reverse order so that newest is on top, very few people want to know about 1.7x |
| 23:24.24 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 0 /Bz_eLogingEven: dupe page |
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| 23:29.30 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8538 /Translation: 3.0 was never released |
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| 23:31.05 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8539 /BZAuthd: not a stub |
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