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| 00:14.06 | blast007 | hi Bambino :) |
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| 00:23.18 | Notify | 03BZFlag:JeffM2501 * 8490 /Master-ChildAccountSystem: Notes from discussions on how to handle child accounts. |
| 00:25.35 | JeffM | That should be a record of all the stuff we talked about |
| 00:36.51 | khonkhortisan | Does bzflag not have lava? |
| 00:37.09 | JeffM | bzflag does not have lava |
| 00:37.19 | blast007 | the floor is lava! |
| 00:37.27 | JeffM | bzflag is not minecraft |
| 00:38.30 | blast007 | not that you can't add lava as part of a map |
| 00:38.47 | khonkhortisan | I've seen it in maps |
| 00:38.47 | blast007 | death physics, mesh, and texture transformations |
| 00:38.49 | JeffM | yeah death attribute to anything and set a dynamic color with a UV shift |
| 00:39.06 | blast007 | or yeah.. dynamic color |
| 00:39.15 | JeffM | ether way same results |
| 00:39.44 | JeffM | the game dosn't know it as "lava" it's just a mesh with a sliding texture |
| 00:40.09 | khonkhortisan | it's only different from water because it's an object |
| 00:40.16 | JeffM | sure |
| 00:40.27 | JeffM | and water can't have physics drivers |
| 00:41.13 | JeffM | thats like saying a shot lis like water but it moves |
| 01:25.54 | khonkhortisan | I "may need to use the force |
| 01:25.56 | khonkhortisan | " |
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| 02:49.05 | khonkhortisan | matref doesn't work? |
| 02:49.25 | blast007 | you'll have to be more specific |
| 02:49.58 | khonkhortisan | oh. Wrong error. "couldn't find reference material: GroundMaterial" |
| 02:50.07 | khonkhortisan | Is it only magic one-way? |
| 02:50.39 | blast007 | you're trying to reference the GroundMaterial in some other object? |
| 02:51.08 | khonkhortisan | yeah |
| 02:51.14 | blast007 | yeah, dunno if that works |
| 02:51.16 | khonkhortisan | instead of set it |
| 02:51.21 | khonkhortisan | apparently it doesn't |
| 02:51.35 | khonkhortisan | I'll make my own ground material then if it won't share |
| 02:52.44 | khonkhortisan | If it worked that way, I could've spawned someone inside my own skybox with a doorway to the real sky box |
| 02:54.06 | blast007 | did you have a material defined with that name in your map? |
| 02:54.15 | khonkhortisan | no |
| 02:54.23 | blast007 | then yeah, it won't work |
| 02:54.27 | khonkhortisan | but if I set it it'll change the ground |
| 02:54.33 | blast007 | it doesn't have that material by default |
| 02:54.55 | blast007 | if it doesn't have that material, it just feeds in default values into the background renderer |
| 02:55.17 | blast007 | just make a material with the default settings |
| 02:55.53 | blast007 | texture is std_ground |
| 02:57.05 | blast007 | hmm.. and not sure about the color.. |
| 02:57.29 | blast007 | it's a 4x4 array of GLFloat's |
| 02:57.49 | blast007 | dunno how that translates to the BZW material format |
| 03:03.39 | khonkhortisan | All I need for a material is the texture |
| 03:06.36 | khonkhortisan | Bug: noradar breaks _maxBumpHeight |
| 03:07.09 | khonkhortisan | I can't climb a building if it doesn't show up on radar |
| 03:19.44 | khonkhortisan | Filed. |
| 03:44.17 | khonkhortisan | I can't see any connection between them anywhere. Maybe it waits to set an obstacle property until rendering on radar. |
| 04:16.52 | Delusional | khonkhortisan: you may be seeing a different bug we call the "floating point bug". when you drive between a mesh and a regular BZ item |
| 04:17.34 | khonkhortisan | what's a regular BZ item? I'm using "box". |
| 04:17.42 | jeffm | that's a regular item |
| 04:17.43 | khonkhortisan | Which may or may not be converted to meshbox |
| 04:17.49 | jeffm | regular == not mesh |
| 04:17.53 | khonkhortisan | and it's on the ground |
| 04:17.59 | jeffm | does it have a material? |
| 04:18.07 | khonkhortisan | no, it's a regular box then. |
| 04:18.08 | jeffm | or a funky tranform? |
| 04:18.14 | Delusional | using boxes only? no mesh? |
| 04:18.23 | khonkhortisan | position 40 0 0 size 10 10 1 |
| 04:18.33 | jeffm | no other attributes, and it's not in a group? |
| 04:19.06 | khonkhortisan | that's all. Try the map here https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3603058&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 04:19.15 | jeffm | then it should be a normal box |
| 04:19.28 | jeffm | I can't, I'm at school being bored |
| 04:19.55 | khonkhortisan | I have world size, _maxBumpHeight set, a box, and a noradar box. I can't bump-climb the noradar box. |
| 04:20.03 | khonkhortisan | No idea why yet. |
| 04:20.20 | jeffm | use your debugger ;) |
| 04:20.26 | Delusional | once you add noradar to the box, it becomes a mesh |
| 04:20.41 | Delusional | i dont know why, but it's treated as a mesh |
| 04:20.47 | jeffm | that's an attribute ;) |
| 04:21.01 | jeffm | that was fixed in 2.99 IIRC |
| 04:21.07 | khonkhortisan | oh |
| 04:22.48 | khonkhortisan | Okay, then I have another problem: The muzzle flash is always pointing (camera) left, and both the smoke and flash don't start all the way at the end of the turret. |
| 04:23.01 | Delusional | i think what was done in 2.99 is the treated everything as a mesh |
| 04:23.23 | jeffm | yeah that's how we cleaned up the collision code IIRC |
| 04:23.42 | jeffm | yeah I got the flash stuff off by a bit |
| 04:23.47 | jeffm | I want to redo them all one day |
| 04:24.25 | Delusional | saveworld would not have anything like "box" or "pyramid", it would be "meshbox" and "meshpyr' |
| 04:26.28 | jeffm | the death effects are a bit chezzy too |
| 04:26.58 | jeffm | I'd like to have the server set them too, and have the client just have on/off so that different weapons can cause different deaths |
| 04:27.43 | Delusional | now that's something that would go over well. |
| 04:27.52 | khonkhortisan | actually getting flattened instead of exploding |
| 04:28.06 | jeffm | yeah |
| 04:28.55 | khonkhortisan | shockwave throwing the dead tank, super bullet melting? |
| 04:29.04 | jeffm | those are harder |
| 04:29.15 | jeffm | but all possible at some point |
| 04:29.24 | jeffm | possibly with shaders |
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| 04:38.40 | Delusional | that floating point bug has driven some mappers (including me) absolutely nuts. The first time you see it, it looks like you're doing everything correct, and you rack your brain wondering what's wrong. |
| 04:39.01 | Delusional | and of course nothing works |
| 04:39.13 | khonkhortisan | I found the test case quickly. Looking for the connection in the code was what had that effect. |
| 04:40.16 | jeffm | optimally we should have a single surface definition that all objects use |
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| 05:24.48 | khonkhortisan | I angled both the ground and the shots using some map tricks |
| 05:53.37 | khonkhortisan | And one of my tricks makes the flags be above the ground :( |
| 05:56.16 | khonkhortisan | it chooses the drivethrough death mesh over the box |
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| 06:10.45 | khonkhortisan | The Current events link on the left goes to http://wiki.bzflag.org/BZFlagWiki:Current_events shouldn't it go to http://wiki.bzflag.org/Current_events ? |
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| 08:56.57 | joevano | khonkhortisan: I suppose... looks like it possibly broke durring an upgrade... That is a mediawiki generated link/page |
| 08:57.45 | joevano | back in 2007... |
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| 17:09.07 | brad | ztanks alpha just launched :O |
| 17:13.08 | khonkhortisan | it says it will in one week on the signup page |
| 17:15.48 | khonkhortisan | Who has access to the wiki sidebar? |
| 17:19.12 | blast007 | foamy the squirrel |
| 17:19.38 | khonkhortisan | Then tell foamy the squirrel to fix the current events link |
| 17:19.40 | blast007 | but watch out for his squrrely rage |
| 17:19.48 | khonkhortisan | You go tell him |
| 17:20.08 | khonkhortisan | I don't know what to do with foam |
| 17:49.15 | khonkhortisan | How odd. Moving muzzleFront forward moves the whole tank forward when it shoots |
| 17:50.36 | blast007 | yup |
| 17:50.51 | khonkhortisan | I only wanted to move the shot effect |
| 18:25.29 | khonkhortisan | removing ringState = gstate.getState(); from effectsRenderer.cxx makes it really easy to tell when someone shot. I get these giant white rings. |
| 18:46.18 | brad | can I link to the ztanks thing here? |
| 18:46.29 | brad | its kinda crap, but it's something |
| 18:46.37 | brad | I guess it'll improve |
| 18:49.18 | khonkhortisan | The top result is a forum page and the indie page doesn't have a link to signup |
| 18:49.46 | khonkhortisan | and according to signup, I have to wait a week for alpha |
| 19:03.37 | brad | http://www.ztanks.com/alpha/ZONLINE.html < |
| 19:04.11 | khonkhortisan | noooo! unity web player! |
| 19:04.18 | khonkhortisan | I can't run that |
| 19:06.48 | brad | this is what you're missing: http://moooo.org/image/ae30d78 |
| 19:07.10 | khonkhortisan | Is there a video? |
| 19:07.19 | brad | I don't see one |
| 19:07.44 | khonkhortisan | I can run web3d just fine, just not unity |
| 19:09.06 | blast007 | WebGL, you mean? |
| 19:09.23 | khonkhortisan | yeah, I've heard it called both and haven't gotten the terms separated |
| 19:14.03 | khonkhortisan | Do I still have commit access? |
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| 19:37.41 | khonkhortisan | svn: access to '/svnroot/bzflag/!svn/act/a00b9c22-6d6c-11e2-ac34-3199c6b62a14' forbidden |
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| 20:03.40 | khonkhortisan | Does access forbidden mean I don't have commit access or that I'm doing it wrong? |
| 20:18.38 | jeffm | you don't have commit access |
| 20:47.47 | khonkhortisan | okay. |
| 20:49.24 | khonkhortisan | I have a simple non-breaking patch |
| 20:50.00 | khonkhortisan | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 20:56.40 | jeffm | by left and right you mean in 3d mode? |
| 20:57.32 | khonkhortisan | yes, the shot image is in 3d. |
| 20:57.58 | khonkhortisan | (When it is used as a jump image, it goes 2d) |
| 21:00.54 | khonkhortisan | It can't be seen from directly above |
| 21:02.00 | jeffm | yeah they are not 3d particles |
| 21:02.27 | jeffm | tempdiff? that's the best you can come up with? ;) |
| 21:03.38 | khonkhortisan | alias svnreset = 'svn diff > tempdiff; patch -p0 -R < tempdiff; make; read -p "[Enter] to go back to diffed svn"; patch -p0 < tempdiff; make' |
| 21:04.02 | blast007 | he was gonna go with untitled.diff, but it seemed too cliché |
| 21:04.02 | jeffm | that didn't work on windows |
| 21:04.05 | khonkhortisan | I do that so I can still play bzflag while working on something that requires protocol break |
| 21:04.28 | khonkhortisan | I don't know how cmd does aliasi |
| 21:04.34 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: what, your hard drive can only hold one copy of the source at a time? |
| 21:04.51 | blast007 | time to upgrade from the 1.5GB PATA |
| 21:05.26 | jeffm | I do not use a command line svn tool |
| 21:05.31 | khonkhortisan | I have a 1tb hard drive and I have bzflag, two copies of bzflag plus the wings thing, and 2.99 |
| 21:06.30 | khonkhortisan | I edit the same copy I play with |
| 21:07.03 | khonkhortisan | I don't use graphical svn, but I do use graphical cmake (not for bzflag) |
| 21:07.06 | jeffm | that is a very bad idea |
| 21:07.11 | jeffm | you should have multiple trees |
| 21:07.52 | khonkhortisan | okay |
| 21:08.21 | alezakos | khonkhortisan: I think joevano is responsible for the sidebar. He can fix that by navigating to Mediawiki:Sidebar |
| 21:08.29 | blast007 | I can just as easily |
| 21:12.56 | jeffm | I assume there was nothin from tim all week? |
| 21:13.08 | khonkhortisan | he was here |
| 21:13.37 | jeffm | here and talking about his plans are not the same thing ;) |
| 21:16.53 | blast007 | and no, nothing |
| 21:17.17 | khonkhortisan | What do _you_ call the two copies? |
| 21:17.39 | blast007 | ? |
| 21:17.44 | jeffm | working dirs, branches, temps |
| 21:17.48 | jeffm | "dev" |
| 21:18.01 | khonkhortisan | ah. |
| 21:18.07 | blast007 | I label mine based on what I'm working on... |
| 21:18.09 | jeffm | yay, one patch panel cojplete |
| 21:18.15 | jeffm | yeah bzlag_shots |
| 21:18.22 | jeffm | bzflag_flying_cow |
| 21:18.32 | blast007 | bzcowlauncher |
| 21:18.41 | khonkhortisan | bzflag and bzflag_workingon |
| 21:18.55 | blast007 | the cow launcher flag isn't scheduled until BZFlag 5.0 though |
| 21:19.05 | khonkhortisan | that's a long ways away |
| 21:19.19 | blast007 | we're gonna pull a Mozilla, so.. next week. |
| 21:19.45 | khonkhortisan | yay!
I think. |
| 21:20.17 | khonkhortisan | just make every version break protocol and you'll have a similar effect |
| 21:20.34 | jeffm | have every version break all the plugins |
| 21:20.47 | khonkhortisan | that too, the plugins don't know enough |
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| 21:28.28 | khonkhortisan | Is it the version number that breaks them? |
| 21:29.13 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Blast * 8491 /MediaWiki:Currentevents-url: Created page with "Current events" |
| 21:29.54 | jeffm | plugins don't break now |
| 21:30.09 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: or are you referring to Firefox? |
| 21:31.18 | alezakos | basically, blast007, you're not supposed to do this |
| 21:31.38 | alezakos | currentevents-url is a shortcut to the "Current Events" page |
| 21:31.56 | alezakos | ah forget that |
| 21:32.04 | alezakos | please ignore the other messages |
| 22:06.30 | blast007 | alezakos: I dunno why it said "created page", since the page *seemed* like it already already there |
| 22:06.40 | blast007 | it had contained Project:Current events |
| 22:06.45 | blast007 | So I removed the Project: part |
| 22:06.57 | alezakos | mediawiki has defaults for these pages |
| 22:07.03 | blast007 | ah |
| 22:07.45 | alezakos | so, even though the page isn't created, it has a default value that other modules (like the sidebar) read |
| 22:08.21 | blast007 | k |
| 22:13.47 | khonkhortisan | the first link in the default value linked to the other page |
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