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| 06:52.48 | I_Died_Once | buys stock in Pentex |
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| 07:06.49 | BulletCatcher | BZFlag compiles and runs nicely with the version of gcc (3.4) that is included in Solaris 10. |
| 07:06.51 | BulletCatcher | I have seen no reason to try to get the Studio compiler to work too. |
| 07:09.52 | jeffm | sounds like a perfect reason to thow an auto or two in there :) |
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| 18:29.11 | alezakos | Why do we still have the ghost slash command? |
| 18:29.11 | alezakos | To keep the number of functions a factor of 3? |
| 18:30.31 | JeffM2501 | it should have been removed when passdb was removed |
| 18:31.03 | alezakos | OK, I'm going to remove it |
| 18:32.31 | blast007 | sourceforge's SVN is running real slow today |
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| 18:36.38 | blast007 | "could not connect to server" ... fun |
| 18:40.54 | jeffm | yeah, craps out for me too |
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| 18:41.49 | blast007 | well, that only took 10 minutes to commit... |
| 18:41.50 | blast007 | :P |
| 18:42.41 | blast007 | jeffm: you doing anything more with ShotManager at the moment? |
| 18:43.03 | jeffm | not until after I finish my homework |
| 18:43.15 | jeffm | then I was going to do SW |
| 18:43.23 | jeffm | you need to tweak it? |
| 18:44.13 | blast007 | few things preventing a debug build on linux at the moment |
| 18:44.31 | jeffm | go for it |
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| 19:09.58 | jeffm | agh I got the order wrong, that makes sense. I was trying to be aware of that but ended up changing the vars over and over |
| 19:09.59 | jeffm | thankis |
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| 20:49.22 | alezakos | is desperately trying to commit |
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| 20:56.16 | blast007 | yeah, SVN is a bit wonky today |
| 21:11.09 | JeffM2501 | you spelled "nearly useless" wrong |
| 21:11.20 | blast007 | heh |
| 21:13.03 | khonkhortisan | no more ghosts, only phantoms |
| 21:16.25 | JeffM2501 | no more local users :) |
| 21:20.19 | khonkhortisan | but still 0 lag |
| 21:21.05 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:24.49 | JeffM2501 | for the ways shots move I've come up with the following types, Straight, Rico, Guided, and Sphere |
| 21:24.54 | JeffM2501 | am I missing any? |
| 21:25.30 | khonkhortisan | would the snake shot flag use guided motion? |
| 21:25.37 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:25.49 | JeffM2501 | it's not predefined or precomputed by the client |
| 21:25.50 | khonkhortisan | Does SR count as sphere? (even if it's not a shot) |
| 21:25.54 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:25.55 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:25.57 | JeffM2501 | SR isn't a shot |
| 21:26.03 | JeffM2501 | nothing is added to the world |
| 21:26.10 | JeffM2501 | it's a tank attribute |
| 21:26.14 | JeffM2501 | similar to burrow |
| 21:26.27 | khonkhortisan | there's also angled with vv |
| 21:26.36 | JeffM2501 | vv? |
| 21:26.44 | khonkhortisan | vertical velocityp |
| 21:26.52 | khonkhortisan | velocity |
| 21:27.01 | JeffM2501 | that's an option for straight, and rico |
| 21:27.16 | JeffM2501 | 2 or 3 axis interpolation, the basic motion is the same |
| 21:27.30 | JeffM2501 | mostly this is just for what data needs to be stored to define the path |
| 21:27.43 | JeffM2501 | and the same data is used for vertical vel on and off |
| 21:28.22 | JeffM2501 | SB is always stragiht |
| 21:28.35 | JeffM2501 | regular shots are rico or straight depending on server options |
| 21:28.58 | JeffM2501 | lasers are straight but they have the option of being AlwaysFullPath instead of interpolated |
| 21:29.07 | khonkhortisan | Any very unusual plugin-based flags could just use the guided type |
| 21:29.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:29.18 | khonkhortisan | like a bouncy shot |
| 21:29.19 | JeffM2501 | if the server can't predicit it, it's guided |
| 21:29.27 | Chestal | JeffM2501: regular shots might get segemented by going through teleports |
| 21:29.39 | JeffM2501 | good point |
| 21:29.44 | JeffM2501 | so straight has to deal with segments |
| 21:29.52 | JeffM2501 | does SB teleport? |
| 21:29.58 | khonkhortisan | no |
| 21:30.03 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:30.10 | khonkhortisan | I was killed on the wrong side of the teleporter as PZ by SB |
| 21:30.14 | Chestal | the client only has 3 different classes (strategies), segmented, GM and SW |
| 21:30.26 | JeffM2501 | the different shots have different classes that define the paths, I'm just looking for what i need to sore with the path |
| 21:31.09 | BulletCatcher | SB *does* teleport in my experience. |
| 21:31.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah I saw the client had 3, I could combine straight and rico as straigt is a subset of rico |
| 21:31.19 | khonkhortisan | hmm |
| 21:32.09 | BulletCatcher | I use SB on MW3 to kill tanks in the floating boxes. |
| 21:32.43 | JeffM2501 | well I'm starting with tracking SW, it's the simplest |
| 21:33.11 | BulletCatcher | Yup. We'll eventually get there even with baby steps. |
| 21:33.40 | BulletCatcher | I don't think SW teleports. |
| 21:33.51 | JeffM2501 | nor do I |
| 21:34.13 | JeffM2501 | that would be odd, it'd be a spherical segment expanding out of the porter |
| 21:34.20 | khonkhortisan | SW doesn't teleport, but it does highlight what part of it has gone through a building when you're inside it |
| 21:34.38 | JeffM2501 | sure that's just graphics |
| 21:34.46 | JeffM2501 | SW tracking is a simple radius check |
| 21:35.24 | khonkhortisan | feels silly: "bzfs -f good" |
| 21:36.00 | Chestal | hmm, I wonder, does only the shock front kill? i.e. if you teleport into the SW sphere but never touch the front, do you die? |
| 21:36.09 | khonkhortisan | So it does teleport |
| 21:37.40 | Chestal | it is indeed a simple check for being within radius |
| 21:37.56 | JeffM2501 | tis a field of death |
| 21:38.36 | BulletCatcher | You confirmed that SB teleports, khonkhortisan? |
| 21:38.50 | khonkhortisan | yes, I confirmed both that SB teleports and SW is deadly when teleported into. |
| 21:41.08 | JeffM2501 | BulletCatcher, I did a test of that sample program with C++11 and it worked on gcc 4.4, docs say it should work down to 4.3 |
| 21:44.23 | blast007 | uh, SB does teleport |
| 21:44.48 | blast007 | every shot does except for SW, and possibly a zoned shot |
| 21:45.20 | blast007 | JeffM2501: and what do you mean regarding AlwaysFullPath and interpolated? |
| 21:45.27 | BulletCatcher | Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 (which does not include BZFlag) has gcc 4.1.2. |
| 21:45.28 | BulletCatcher | RHEL 6 has 4.4.6, so if we wait a year most current distros will support C++11 features. |
| 21:46.04 | khonkhortisan | zoned shots teleport |
| 21:46.10 | khonkhortisan | tested that too |
| 21:46.13 | blast007 | so then it's only SW |
| 21:46.15 | JeffM2501 | blast007, the laser type shots collide against the entire path, all segments, the other shots inerpolate a postion along the path over time and collide against that one point |
| 21:47.03 | JeffM2501 | it's a flag that tells the sysem how to collide with the path it's given |
| 21:47.10 | blast007 | k |
| 21:47.14 | khonkhortisan | hmm if I sliced the world with many teleporters, everyone could have blindness plus the flag they're holding |
| 21:47.26 | blast007 | also, SW and laser are the only two shots that don't end when they hit someone |
| 21:49.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:49.17 | JeffM2501 | for now :) |
| 21:49.20 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:49.22 | JeffM2501 | I want that to be a flag too |
| 21:49.29 | JeffM2501 | so that it's easy to make other shots do that |
| 21:49.50 | khonkhortisan | laser ends when it runs out of photons, and SW should end only in the spot where it hits someone |
| 21:50.35 | blast007 | ~bzfrag khonkhortisan |
| 21:50.36 | ibot | ACTION squishes khonkhortisan with a steamroller |
| 21:50.39 | JeffM2501 | getting hit by SW dosn't cast a shadow of safety |
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| 21:50.56 | BulletCatcher | It occurs to me that it would be entirely reasonable for Super Bullets to continue through perforated tanks until they expire. |
| 21:51.01 | khonkhortisan | I need SR on gu/ducati more than anywhere else |
| 21:51.13 | blast007 | he's saying how it "should" end, in his opinion.. |
| 21:51.23 | JeffM2501 | BulletCatcher, I am leaving that open as an option |
| 21:51.27 | khonkhortisan | but a shock wave is a wave! |
| 21:51.36 | khonkhortisan | yes, it's opinion. |
| 21:51.39 | JeffM2501 | it is a field of death! |
| 21:51.46 | khonkhortisan | oh |
| 21:51.58 | khonkhortisan | life can't kill death then |
| 21:52.01 | JeffM2501 | final goal is to be able to add a death blossom |
| 21:52.51 | khonkhortisan | horizontal-only sw? |
| 21:53.20 | JeffM2501 | you fail at 80's movie trivia! |
| 21:54.31 | JeffM2501 | " Greetings, Starfighter. You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan armada. " |
| 21:54.48 | BulletCatcher | A proper death blossom implementation would require tanks to be able to roll and pitch. |
| 21:56.10 | JeffM2501 | heck yeah |
| 21:56.19 | JeffM2501 | and a lizard in the back seat |
| 21:56.24 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 21:57.31 | JeffM2501 | that movie is one of the reasons I got into all this stuff |
| 21:59.31 | khonkhortisan | can't find Fernfield, Washington |
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| 22:00.42 | alezakos | JeffM2501: Who spelled nearly useless wrong? |
| 22:00.54 | JeffM2501 | BulletCatcher, I'd have it be a thing that you hit, the tank slowly levetate up in the air, spinning up, then firing off all the shots and slowing down to fall back to the ground |
| 22:02.31 | BulletCatcher | Kind of like MG combined with a temporary rico object of just the right shape. |
| 22:03.05 | JeffM2501 | and then make the tank unable to fire for some time after and drive slugisly |
| 22:03.20 | BulletCatcher | Naturally. |
| 22:09.22 | khonkhortisan | wouldn't that create lag? |
| 22:09.32 | JeffM2501 | currently yeah |
| 22:09.44 | JeffM2501 | it'd only be possible after we fix a LOT of things |
| 22:10.01 | JeffM2501 | it's probably also not a well designed feature, it'd just be funny |
| 22:10.40 | JeffM2501 | but if I say that's something I'd like to be able to define, if I can get to the point where that can be defined in game, a great many other things could be defined as well |
| 22:10.45 | blast007 | alezakos: it was a joke about when I said SVN was "kinda wonky". |
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| 23:16.13 | khonkhortisan | how do I recompile my plugin? |
| 23:18.28 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Khonkhortisan * 8461 /Plug-ins: /* History */ its! |
| 23:20.37 | JeffM2501 | make changes |
| 23:20.52 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: after changes? |
| 23:20.52 | khonkhortisan | I even deleted the .so file and .libs directory, no go |
| 23:21.04 | blast007 | just run 'make' again after changes |
| 23:21.46 | khonkhortisan | oh. It only notices _source_ changes. |
| 23:22.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah what else would you change? |
| 23:22.33 | khonkhortisan | the compiled plugin's existance |
| 23:23.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah you'd have to force a rebuild |
| 23:24.16 | blast007 | 'make clean' followed by 'make' will clean the final files and then rebuild |
| 23:24.45 | blast007 | 'make distclean' does a more complete clean, and I think that requires that you run the configure script again |
| 23:24.49 | JeffM2501 | I belive you can also do a touch on one of the source files and it'll think it was edited |
| 23:25.08 | blast007 | yup |
| 23:25.23 | JeffM2501 | or on windows, right click on the plug-in, select "project only" and pick "rebuild" |
| 23:25.30 | khonkhortisan | Is there some sort of mass edit for the wiki? Or is it that each page must be a separate edit? |
| 23:25.43 | JeffM2501 | what would you want to mass edit? |
| 23:25.54 | khonkhortisan | a compound adjective, I want to make it hyphenated. |
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| 23:26.07 | JeffM2501 | seperate edits |
| 23:26.10 | JeffM2501 | for you |
| 23:26.15 | khonkhortisan | okay |
| 23:26.26 | JeffM2501 | blast techincaly dould do mass db edits but that is risky |
| 23:26.32 | khonkhortisan | very |
| 23:27.03 | JeffM2501 | yay, 9 screens of my school project website have been difined :) |
| 23:28.12 | blast007 | update wiki_pages set content = 'for the lulz'; |
| 23:30.17 | khonkhortisan | multi-page is less dangerous than mass. But it's only one revision you'd undo either way |
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| 23:31.41 | blast007 | C-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER |
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| 23:31.58 | khonkhortisan | at nine of 12 |
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| 23:32.04 | khonkhortisan | that's the last |
| 23:32.28 | khonkhortisan | I half-expected commit spam blocking |
| 23:41.24 | khonkhortisan | huh. I can send a message on join but not on spawn |
| 23:42.08 | blast007 | hmm? |
| 23:43.36 | khonkhortisan | I'm doing if (eventData->eventType==x) where x is bz_ePlayerJoinEvent then bz_ePlayerSpawnEvent |
| 23:44.12 | khonkhortisan | x data = (x)eventData; where x is bz_PlayerJoinPartEventData_V1* then bz_PlayerSpawnEventData_V1* |
| 23:44.20 | khonkhortisan | int player = data->PlayerID; |
| 23:44.31 | khonkhortisan | bz_sendTextMessage(BZ_SERVER, player, "message"); |
| 23:44.42 | khonkhortisan | I'm doing the same thing, but it works on join and not on spawn |
| 23:45.50 | blast007 | show the relevant code of your function |
| 23:45.57 | blast007 | ~pastebin |
| 23:45.57 | ibot | A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://www.pastebin.com, http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 23:46.23 | blast007 | and of course, did you check to make sure you actually registered the spawn event? |
| 23:46.44 | khonkhortisan | I just register ::Event and then check its type |
| 23:47.05 | blast007 | did you registered the spawn event? |
| 23:48.28 | khonkhortisan | oh! |
| 23:48.45 | khonkhortisan | looks for an embarrased smiley |
| 23:48.46 | blast007 | your Init method needs to call Register(...) for any events you want to use |
| 23:48.49 | blast007 | Register(bz_eGetPlayerSpawnPosEvent); |
| 23:48.53 | blast007 | for instance |
| 23:49.08 | khonkhortisan | I thought virtual void Event ( bz_EventData * eventData ); was enough |
| 23:49.25 | blast007 | yeah, you have to tell bzfs what events your plugin cares about |
| 23:49.30 | JeffM2501 | that's just the handler, it dosnt' send you ALL events |
| 23:49.34 | JeffM2501 | only the ones you ask for |
| 23:49.56 | JeffM2501 | there is some overhead in sending events to plugins so we only want to do the ones you want |
| 23:51.14 | khonkhortisan | Is there a register all events command for people who insist on doing it the wrong way? |
| 23:51.21 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 23:51.31 | khonkhortisan | uh... good! |
| 23:53.04 | jcp | khonkhortisan: You'd slow your server down to an unplayable crawl if such a thing existed and you used it |
| 23:53.16 | JeffM2501 | it would not be that bad |
| 23:53.42 | jcp | would like to try it out before being so sure |
| 23:53.48 | JeffM2501 | the main reason is that if we had that kind of function and added new events we'd be sending those new events to plugins that could not support them |
| 23:53.49 | khonkhortisan | I'd run a function and pass all the if's or switch/cases |
| 23:53.58 | JeffM2501 | jcp, there arn't thousands of events |
| 23:54.04 | khonkhortisan | they're all on the wiki |
| 23:54.11 | JeffM2501 | there is a cost, but it's just a map look up |
| 23:54.17 | JeffM2501 | those are pretty fast |
| 23:54.23 | jcp | JeffM2501: Don't we issue events on every player move we get? |
| 23:54.34 | jcp | Hm, true |
| 23:54.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah and in computer time those are rare ish |
| 23:54.44 | JeffM2501 | only one event is fired EVERY cycle |
| 23:54.44 | jcp | I forget this isn't Python sometimes |
| 23:54.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's a big boy language |
| 23:54.52 | khonkhortisan | http://wiki.bzflag.org/Event%28API%29#Events |
| 23:55.05 | jcp | ~lart JeffM2501 |
| 23:55.05 | ibot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets JeffM2501 feel it |
| 23:55.10 | JeffM2501 | khonkhortisan, if you want to write bad code that's up to you |
| 23:55.13 | JeffM2501 | just don't check it in |
| 23:55.27 | JeffM2501 | wow, ibot dates itself |
| 23:57.28 | khonkhortisan | haha it won't let me drop ID. Have to add in my exceptions. |
| 23:59.35 | blast007 | JeffM2501: well, the bot has to find *some* use for the pile of them in the desk drawer |
| 23:59.51 | JeffM2501 | heh |