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15:31.23blast007alezakos: I'm starting on the Widgets for the generator.  I think this will work out pretty well, since then each widget can know how to handle it's own stuff.
15:32.06blast007And makes it much easier to have a combination of two input elements (such as a select and a numeric input) as a single widget
16:20.41blast007alezakos: first widget:  https://bitbucket.org/blast007/bzflag_server_config_generator/src/95f03714f54514cc6550b4600b679331fc42cedb/js/widgets/select.widget.js?at=default   ;)
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16:52.26alezakosI think I am supposed to say something technical about this and mention how it can become better
16:53.14blast007lol
16:53.37alezakosGood job anyways, I'll keep a close eye on you
16:55.56JeffMso nobody wants a copy of Metro 2033 and red faction?
16:56.12alezakosJeffM, you should fix the topic, still mentions cia.vc
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16:56.26JeffMhe'll do it
16:56.30alezakosah ok
16:56.34JeffMhe's faster at oping himself then I am
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16:56.48JeffMyay I remebmerd how to do it
16:57.01*** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || http://wiki.BZFlag.org/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || 2.4.2 is released
16:57.06*** topic/#bzflag by blast007 -> http://BZFlag.org || https://www.ohloh.net/p/bzflag || http://wiki.BZFlag.org/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || 2.4.2 is released, deal with it, purple monkey dishwasher
16:57.10blast007;)
16:57.23*** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || https://www.ohloh.net/p/bzflag || http://wiki.BZFlag.org/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || 2.4.2 is the current version
16:57.25blast007or do you want the tail of the topic removed?
16:57.27blast007k :)
16:57.48JeffMI pondered saying it was in the current ubuntu
16:58.01JeffMnot that anyone reads it
16:58.07JeffMDid Tim ever get back to you?
16:58.13blast007nope
16:58.17JeffMdamn
16:58.50JeffMI'm going to send him an email to see if he wants to turn it all over
17:00.37blast007if he does, namecheap is a nice registrar - allows you to delegate control of parts of the domain to other namecheap users
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17:00.53JeffMthat is a good thing to know
17:02.30JeffMand they offer DNS services too?
17:02.40blast007yup
17:02.58JeffMI have a godaddy one expiring soon, maybe I'll transfer it there and check them out
17:03.17blast007yeah, I migrated all my domains from godaddy to namecheap
17:03.19blast007much happier
17:03.22*** mode/#bzflag [-o blast007] by blast007
17:03.52blast007can't remember what they give you for email accounts because I'm using google apps
17:04.18blast007too bad google got rid of the free version of that (well, you can get one with *one* email address at your domain now.. but meh..)
17:04.23JeffMwould anyone here be adverse to me asking Tim to turn ownership of bzflag over to me?
17:04.38JeffMthe domain is tied to google apps
17:04.52blast007which domain?
17:04.55JeffMthe only reason I'm renewing it is so I can keep the google apps account and add other domains to it as sub accounts
17:04.57JeffMawesomelaser
17:05.06blast007ah
17:05.39JeffMI could pay 50$ a year to get invertedpolarity it's own google apps account, or renew awesomelaser for 5$ and add inverted polarity to it as a sub account
17:05.40blast007namecheap has a built-in option to configure the MX records for google apps mail
17:05.45JeffMcool
17:13.05JeffMwill the transfer process copy my current records?
17:13.37blast007no
17:14.32blast007and make sure to have the domain unlocked prior to trying to transfer, or else you might be waiting some days for the transfer to finish failing.. ;)
17:14.42JeffMgoes to take a screenshot
17:14.57JeffMyeah I followed the instructions they had, unlocked, and got the auth code
17:15.10blast007k
17:15.36blast007did you have private registration at godaddy?
17:15.45JeffMnope
17:15.51JeffMalways did the cheapest ones
17:15.53blast007k, one less thing to worry about that ;)
17:17.50JeffMyeah my account info dosn't evne work on the domains by proxy page
17:20.21JeffMit may take a bit, I did have to change an email address
17:34.04JeffMit says it's qued for submission and I have all the things matching now
18:03.17JeffMheh, godaddy is now sending me emails "you can get 25% off any new domain durning your transfer time"
18:13.57blast007;D
18:18.24JeffMso nobody has any objections to me asking Tim to turn it over?
18:20.12blast007none from me
18:21.45JeffMI know that we don't actualy need him, It'd just be easier for a lot of people to have him turn it over and then the community that is here can stay where it is
18:33.07JeffMblast007, do I want to use the "transfer DNS back to us" option to use them as a DNS server?
18:33.13blast007yes
18:33.28blast007godaddy will kill off your DNS zones soon
18:34.31JeffMoh they allready did :)
18:34.33blast007heh
18:34.40JeffMlike before the transfer finished
18:34.52blast007nice..
18:37.58alezakosIf it matters, I don't have any objection to you Tim giving up on his rights either
18:39.06JeffMit always matters what people think :)
18:40.40JeffMwell that was a pretty simple transfer, thanks for the sugestion blast007
18:40.55blast007no prob
18:41.10JeffMI'll move my others over when they expire later this year
18:41.30JeffMI wonder who tim has bzflag.org registerd with
18:41.58blast007also, I think that when you transfer, the time left on your old registration gets added back on.
18:42.12blast007tim used godaddy afaik
18:42.22JeffMok, then the transfer should be just as easy
18:42.27blast007Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, LLC (R91-LROR)
18:42.36JeffMheh, for 80$ we could get bzflag.xxx
18:42.49blast007hehehe
18:42.52JeffMbzflag bow chicka bow wow
18:43.10JeffMbrlcad owns bzflag.bz right?
18:43.47blast007I think
18:43.58blast007private regsitration, so I can't say for sure ;)
18:44.09JeffMprobably
18:57.20JeffMso tim has the domains and copyright, does he have anything else?
18:57.35JeffMthe SF proejct we are alraedy ok with
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19:12.53JeffMhere is the email I sent to Tim, so everyone can know what I am asking for, http://pastebin.com/LSXUNAtP
19:13.15JeffMdon't want to be thought of as 'stealing' anything
19:13.50JeffMhopefully he'd read it this year
19:32.54I_Died_Onceregistered snail mail
19:45.49kierranone from me either, Jeff
19:47.25brlcaddoes (hold the bzflag.bz registration)
19:48.18brlcadit'd be far better (and easier imho) to convert the code to mit license with non-assignment of copyright
19:49.02brlcadsomething completely unrestricted
19:50.12brlcadotherwise, the need to transfer copyright is suspect -- that's not really preventing any use I'm aware of
19:56.50blast007http://projects.porteighty.org/bzfs_conf/widget_test.html  widgets!
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20:39.20JeffMbrlcad, that's not a bad idea
20:39.37JeffMI don't think commercial use is a big issue
20:40.16JeffMhave to keep that in mind as a plan b if he disagrees
21:12.22brlcadsends his own 2 pesos, might help nudge
21:13.11JeffMhe's not responded to blast007's mail about DNS problems, so I am not hopeful
21:13.45JeffMif he went MIT and turned over DNS to us so that we could put it in a system that multiple people could access then that would be better
21:13.59JeffMMIT would indeed take care of the copyright problem
21:14.19JeffMit even works for the art assets where LGPL is not a great fit
21:14.36JeffMtho Tim did aproove redoing the data dir as CC BY SA
21:14.53JeffMI'd want to do the maps with a similar or more free license too
21:22.59alezakosblast007: (referring to the bzfs_conf widget test) Good job! The increase and decrease buttons on the port are quite nice
21:23.19brlcadthat's basically what I suggested
21:23.35brlcadDNS != whois, he just needs to make the dns accessible
21:23.54brlcada zoneedit account or primary on an accessible server fills that need
21:24.51brlcaddoing everything as bsd, mit, or apache would really make things more simple
21:27.19blast007alezakos: I implemented the widget code into the main generator now as well.  Also, I got rid of the "Generate" button and made the generation trigger by just switching to the Generate tab.
21:27.23blast007http://projects.porteighty.org/bzfs_conf/
21:28.06blast007still needs proper generation methods added to the widgets, and then code that checks that before generating the configuration
21:48.12JeffMibot says tim's only been idle for 4 hours on IRC
21:51.05blast007that's when he signed on, I think ;)
21:51.50blast00715:50:17 -!-  idle     : 0 days 4 hours 27 mins 55 secs [signon: Mon Jan 14 11:22:49 2013]
21:52.02JeffMahh
21:52.14JeffMbut still he's signing in
21:52.27blast007the /wii command is more useful for idle times (or /whois <nick> <nick> if you client doesn't have the alias)
21:53.48JeffMhis signon was at Mon Jan 14 09:22:49 but now is Monday January 14 2013 -- 23:52:58 +02:00
21:53.59JeffMif those are int he same timespace he's been active before he went idle
21:56.04blast007I think the 'signon' shows in your client's timezone
21:56.19JeffMhow would it know the client timezone?
21:56.40blast007your client probably does.  the message is probably just sent with a UTC timestamp.
21:56.56JeffMI don't recall the protocol requireing that but it's been a while
21:58.52blast007dunno
21:59.08blast007mine said signon at 11:22, yours said 9:22
21:59.18blast007and my timezone is 2 hours different that you
21:59.26blast007so somewhere it knows ;)
21:59.43JeffMI wonder if it's the timezone of the IRC server we connected to
22:00.36alezakosTimRiker's signon time: Mon Jan 14 19:22:49 2013
22:01.11alezakosMy timezone is UTC+2, the server's timezone is UTC+0
22:03.28blast007the signon is definitely local time of the client.. just ran one on someone who joined here, and the signon time matched my local time ;)
22:05.56blast007mystery solved:  >> :brooks.freenode.net 317 blast007 TimRiker 16075 1358184169 :seconds idle, signon time
22:05.59blast007;)
22:10.09JeffMthen he just needs to check his mail
22:10.22JeffMit bugs me that he never got back to you on the DNS thing
22:11.40blast007his domain has that nameserver in the list as well ;)
22:16.12blast007this might be worth looking at eventually as well: http://www.buddyns.com/services/dns-replication/  (he's using that on rikers.org currently as an addition to the other nameservers)
22:20.20brlcadsuggested zoneedit
22:23.45blast007buddyns has a free plan if you use less than 300k queries a month, not that zoneedit is all that expensive ;)
22:23.58JeffMhow much is zoneedit?
22:24.37JeffM12$?
22:24.39JeffMa year
22:24.42blast007yup
22:24.45blast007per zone
22:24.47JeffMthat'd be fine
22:24.55JeffMso so *3
22:24.59JeffMI think he only has 3
22:25.04JeffManyone have .info?
22:25.12JeffMnope
22:26.03blast007and I was suggesting buddyns for secondary zones, not primary
22:26.26blast007which is useful if we get the domains
22:26.38JeffMwell at least he paid up for multiple years on the .org
22:26.41blast007otherwise zoneedit is a better option since we could manage for that
22:26.44blast007with that*
22:26.55JeffMremembers the yearly DNS failure when he forgot to pay
22:27.05blast007hehe
22:27.45blast007remembers the release we pushed out due to a lightning strike.. ;)
22:30.14JeffMyup
22:30.23JeffMcus the DNS was totaly hosted at his house
22:30.34JeffMand the backup was some dude's modem or something
22:46.06brlcad$1 per domain per year
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22:46.24JeffMbrlcad, I was curious about an aspect of the MIT license when I was reading one last night, part of it says you can sublicense the work, but another part says that you must include the copyright notice and the license in derived works. how is that compatable?
22:46.52JeffMyeah I see that they have a special 30$ a year for 3 domains, a lot of people must do the .com,org,net
22:49.11brlcad$30/year?  that gets you 36 "credits"
22:49.22JeffMyeah 12 * 3 domains
22:49.23brlcadeach name is 1 credit
22:49.38JeffMso 3 credits for 3 names :)
22:49.50brlcadand $3/year .. not 30
22:49.59Detrimental3 a year for 3 domains?
22:50.11JeffM1 credit is one month from what I read
22:50.13JeffMnot one year
22:50.28brlcadooh, they've changed their terms .. huh
22:50.38JeffMyeah it says credits per month
22:50.41brlcadused to be 1 per year and you got 3 free
22:50.52JeffMwow
22:51.01JeffMyeah I bet that ended up not being cost efective :)
22:51.08JeffMstill quite reasonable
22:52.15brlcadmeh, they gathered a HUGE following with those three free to change the terms, presumably when the company was sold a year or so ago
22:52.28brlcadI have a grandfathered account where they're still free
22:52.32JeffMcool
22:53.22brlcadthere's a killing to be had by undercutting their price and reinstating X free...
22:55.16JeffMlooks like namecheap supports similar features
22:56.01JeffMand they offer free DNS hosting
22:58.09brlcadmost registrars offer DNS hosting "cheap", a few offer it free (name.com is another)
22:59.48brlcadactually just consolidated all of my domains, but not yet DNS
23:00.10brlcadso the license question, not at all incompatible
23:02.59brlcadbasically says you can redistribute and even slap you own license on it ... but you still have to include the copyright notice (i.e. give credit in a specific way) and that license always applies to the code being redistributed/used/whatever
23:03.54JeffMso you can say it's LGPL, but it's also MIT too
23:04.02khonkhortisan"Credit goes to Original Author."
23:04.03brlcadthat's why if you dig around vista or pull up the "credits" page on an iphone, you'll find a list of licenses and copyright statements/contributors verbatim
23:04.11brlcadbecause the license required it, even if they don't share the source
23:04.17JeffMahh
23:04.33JeffMthankfuly no longer has an iPhone
23:07.14brlcadpretty much every commercial app has a credits screen/page/info sheet somewhere due to a bsd/mit licensed potion like libpng, zlib, bsd tcp/ip networking stack, etc
23:08.24JeffMcool, thanks
23:09.54brlcadsome even comply with it being in the printed manual or in the eula
23:10.28brlcadfor the ones where they're inseparable from the software distribution
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