| 00:34.03 | khonkhortisan | If I make a triangle teleporter out of many small teleporters, will the tank still teleport? |
| 00:34.25 | JeffM | each teleporter is seperate |
| 00:34.38 | JeffM | when the center of the tank crosses the bountry the port happens |
| 00:35.04 | JeffM | if a teleporter is too small for a tank to fit, it'll hit the borders |
| 00:35.12 | JeffM | and not be able to go through |
| 00:35.20 | khonkhortisan | okay so the teleporter has to be bigger than the tank. If the border is zero on a teleporter with the border in the center of another teleporter, will that border stop me from going through the second one? |
| 00:35.44 | JeffM | the borders are objects the tank will collide with it |
| 00:36.02 | JeffM | there is no special handling for teleporters in teleporters |
| 00:36.25 | JeffM | so the question you have to anwser is "will the tank hit a border object?" |
| 00:36.58 | khonkhortisan | depending on the size of teleporters I use, I'd have a grid of non-teleportable lines |
| 00:37.16 | JeffM | then if the center went there it would not port |
| 00:37.21 | JeffM | if it went elsewhere it would port |
| 00:37.40 | khonkhortisan | so I can't make a polygon out of teleporters very well |
| 00:37.45 | JeffM | nope |
| 00:37.58 | khonkhortisan | either on the vertical axis or the horizontal one |
| 00:38.15 | JeffM | they are desgined to be quads |
| 00:38.54 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: your idea would work with 2.99.x, but kinda a moot point at the moment ;) |
| 00:39.14 | khonkhortisan | I'd rather have horizontal teleporters than polygonal |
| 00:39.18 | JeffM | yeah what you need is the ability to define a mesh face as a teleporter |
| 00:39.26 | blast007 | (well, not exactly your idea - 2.99.x just supports using mesh faces as teleporters) |
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| 01:48.01 | joevano | http://www.comcast.com/Corporate/Customers/Policies/HighSpeedInternetAUP.html |
| 01:48.23 | khonkhortisan | yes? |
| 01:51.50 | blast007 | joevano: too slow, I already linked it ;) |
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| 17:43.28 | khonkhortisan | So my isp doesn't block port 80, I just had the rule put in wrong. This is automatically generated documentation for bzflag: http://76.121.156.73/bzflag/ |
| 18:03.09 | JeffM | did you find anything useful in it? |
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| 18:22.54 | khonkhortisan | graphical connections between functions/files |
| 18:23.19 | JeffM | yeah but is it useful to you ? :) |
| 18:23.56 | khonkhortisan | no |
| 18:28.37 | JeffM | yeah that's my fear |
| 18:28.47 | JeffM | it's a big mess so graphing it just shows how messy it is |
| 18:28.59 | JeffM | it may be better to document the client, server, and bzadmin seperately |
| 18:29.05 | JeffM | to make it cluttered less |
| 18:29.15 | JeffM | but really I don't know how useful it is to anyone |
| 18:40.36 | blast007 | probably slightly more useful than a compass in the Nether </minecraft reference> |
| 18:40.46 | khonkhortisan | or minetest |
| 18:43.04 | blast007 | does minetest have a nether? |
| 18:43.19 | khonkhortisan | it has a mod for that, I haven't tried it |
| 18:43.59 | JeffM | I never even got digging done in my minecraft renderer :( |
| 18:44.08 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:44.26 | JeffM | it was way faster then minecraft at rendering tho |
| 19:00.21 | blast007 | I think I get higher FPS in borderlands than I do in Minecraft.. |
| 19:01.43 | JeffM | yeah it's cluster processing isn't very efficient |
| 19:05.43 | blast007 | probably doesn't help that I'm running a mod pack with like 47 mods.. ;) |
| 19:18.13 | khonkhortisan | nagware is a plugin, right? |
| 19:18.58 | khonkhortisan | okay I see it |
| 19:37.38 | khonkhortisan | how do I kill a server that crashed with a corrupted list without killing all of them if ctrl+c only stops it? |
| 19:38.01 | blast007 | corrupted list? |
| 19:38.18 | khonkhortisan | gotten all the time with nagware *** glibc detected *** ./bzfs: corrupted double-linked list: 0x000000000081edc0 *** |
| 19:38.49 | blast007 | does Ctrl-C not work? |
| 19:38.57 | khonkhortisan | [2]+ Stopped ./bzfs -world MengerSponge.bzw -loadplugin plugins/nagware/.libs/nagware.so,MengerSpongenagware.cfg |
| 19:39.12 | khonkhortisan | then when I try bzfs again it says there's already a server running (on that port) |
| 19:39.18 | blast007 | so you not Ctrl-Z instead of Ctrl-C? |
| 19:39.22 | blast007 | you hit* |
| 19:39.47 | khonkhortisan | oh. Yeah I did. But ctrl-c doesn't do anything |
| 19:40.00 | blast007 | you sure? |
| 19:40.08 | khonkhortisan | I don't get my prompt back |
| 19:40.22 | blast007 | do you use a pid file? |
| 19:40.41 | khonkhortisan | dunno |
| 19:40.48 | blast007 | then no :P |
| 19:40.48 | khonkhortisan | I think I don't |
| 19:41.13 | khonkhortisan | okay I'll do that then |
| 19:41.29 | blast007 | netstat -nap | grep 5154 (or whatever port you're using |
| 19:41.30 | blast007 | ) |
| 19:41.44 | blast007 | and then you'll have the pid at the end of that line |
| 19:42.08 | blast007 | then just kill -9 <pid> |
| 19:48.15 | khonkhortisan | woohoo! WG+WA! |
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| 20:42.23 | khonkhortisan | If you wish to test the -w patch, I have a server up for you |
| 20:43.14 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: does it have an alternate protocol string? |
| 20:43.25 | khonkhortisan | no, it just has nagware |
| 20:43.40 | khonkhortisan | and a bunch of holes for the non-fliers to fall into |
| 20:44.14 | blast007 | then please shut it down |
| 20:44.21 | khonkhortisan | aw |
| 20:44.22 | khonkhortisan | okay |
| 20:45.41 | blast007 | the DEVINFO file clearly states that you should change the proto string when you make incompatible changes |
| 20:47.34 | khonkhortisan | it doesn't say where |
| 20:48.41 | JeffM | you should be able to seah it |
| 20:48.45 | blast007 | it kinda does |
| 20:48.46 | JeffM | I belive it's in Version.h |
| 20:48.50 | blast007 | it mentions BZ_PROTO_VERSION |
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| 20:49.35 | JeffM | and yeah change it so you don't make people mad |
| 20:49.45 | JeffM | you are techincaly on your own fork |
| 20:50.30 | khonkhortisan | I wasn't shooting them, so they wouldn't get mad, but they were shooting each other |
| 20:50.42 | khonkhortisan | I felt like an observer |
| 20:50.43 | JeffM | mad as in you have features that they can not have |
| 20:50.53 | JeffM | techincaly it is a cheat server ;) |
| 20:50.55 | khonkhortisan | it had instructions in the server message |
| 20:50.59 | JeffM | dosn't matter |
| 20:51.03 | khonkhortisan | and a big don't play here sign |
| 20:51.16 | JeffM | our policy is to use a differnet proto |
| 20:51.20 | alezakos | Changing the protocol doesn't prevent people who have the older version from joining? |
| 20:51.21 | JeffM | so change your version strings and reloauch |
| 20:51.29 | khonkhortisan | it does, I just didn't have it changed |
| 20:51.32 | JeffM | alezakos, it does, he has not changed it |
| 20:51.43 | khonkhortisan | and I lost the file to change it at |
| 20:51.53 | JeffM | do a search, it can't be that hard |
| 20:52.06 | blast007 | do people not know how to search within files these days? |
| 20:52.13 | alezakos | grep -r BZ_PROTO_VERSION . |
| 20:52.22 | JeffM | what are they teaching kids in school these days? |
| 20:52.31 | blast007 | JeffM: iPads, apparently |
| 20:52.35 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:52.37 | blast007 | and how to use Microsoft Word |
| 20:52.38 | khonkhortisan | how to put a file in a folder, basic html stuff, etc |
| 20:52.47 | khonkhortisan | digital communications |
| 20:52.55 | alezakos | Yeah |
| 20:52.57 | JeffM | to be a developer you have to be able to search your code |
| 20:52.59 | blast007 | Though I'm hoping to change that at my district, but it's a slow process |
| 20:53.18 | blast007 | Looking at getting some Raspberry Pis for student use here ;) |
| 20:53.44 | alezakos | It seems to be located at sr.... Or shouldn't I tell? |
| 20:54.02 | JeffM | it's part of the date stuff IIRC |
| 20:54.08 | blast007 | yep |
| 20:54.16 | alezakos | src/date/buildDate.cxx |
| 20:54.29 | blast007 | though changing the 'bzfs' part might work too, which is defined elsewhere |
| 20:54.29 | khonkhortisan | there it is, my editor went straight to the line |
| 20:54.37 | khonkhortisan | line 127 for BZFS |
| 20:54.52 | blast007 | ah, no, that's in there too |
| 20:55.09 | blast007 | didn't do a case insensitive search ;) |
| 20:55.35 | blast007 | BZWG |
| 20:57.23 | blast007 | ah, though it seems the list server only lets on servers that uses "BZFS" ;) |
| 20:57.30 | khonkhortisan | yep |
| 20:57.40 | khonkhortisan | or, you can only see matching ones |
| 20:58.16 | khonkhortisan | it does matching |
| 20:58.25 | khonkhortisan | it's up, with BZWG |
| 20:58.42 | JeffM | I'd change the version, since you are not a different game, but a preview of a future version |
| 20:59.12 | khonkhortisan | okay then 0222 |
| 20:59.24 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: I was referring to the list server code. Seems it does allow forked proto strings as long as they're 8 characters long |
| 20:59.48 | blast007 | JeffM: well, I'd prefer it being a different game, since it isn't BZFlag - it's a fork |
| 21:00.10 | JeffM | his intent is to submit it for inclusion not to stay branched |
| 21:00.18 | blast007 | there's no guarantee that it will go into mainline, and I'd rather not have to remember to not use 0222 later ;) |
| 21:00.28 | JeffM | we don't have to remember |
| 21:00.32 | JeffM | we can do whatever we want |
| 21:00.40 | blast007 | *shrugs* |
| 21:00.40 | JeffM | it's his job to pick a number we don't use |
| 21:00.45 | khonkhortisan | yeah, I'm the one that has to keep it incompatible |
| 21:00.48 | JeffM | for him he should use a number LOWER then ours |
| 21:00.52 | khonkhortisan | lower? |
| 21:00.58 | JeffM | yeah then we won't hit it ;) |
| 21:01.02 | blast007 | 0222 is higher than 0221 .... |
| 21:01.04 | JeffM | as long as its different |
| 21:01.05 | khonkhortisan | I'd rather use different letters |
| 21:01.11 | khonkhortisan | instead of lower |
| 21:01.13 | JeffM | whatever floats your boat |
| 21:01.17 | blast007 | and 0220 was one we used before :P |
| 21:01.18 | JeffM | it dosn't matter it's just your testing |
| 21:01.36 | JeffM | or go 9999 |
| 21:01.40 | JeffM | something way out of the way |
| 21:01.54 | khonkhortisan | okay 9999 sounds good |
| 21:01.58 | JeffM | but it dosnt' matter, just be incompatable with any clients we ship |
| 21:02.05 | blast007 | claims 1337 for his own fork that will include tacos and owls |
| 21:04.43 | khonkhortisan | okay. Up as BZFS9999 |
| 21:04.56 | JeffM | nobody can play it with out your code |
| 21:05.01 | JeffM | so telling us is pointless |
| 21:05.27 | khonkhortisan | okay, https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3599568&group_id=3248&atid=353248 |
| 21:05.38 | JeffM | except that dosn't have the 9999 part |
| 21:05.53 | JeffM | if you want people to test it you should probalby make a windows bin and post that |
| 21:06.19 | alezakos | Yeah, you should make a windows binary |
| 21:06.33 | khonkhortisan | I'll add the 9999 into the patch |
| 21:06.54 | JeffM | don't |
| 21:06.57 | khonkhortisan | no? |
| 21:07.03 | alezakos | I tried to compile on windows, but that directx library produces some kind of error. |
| 21:07.06 | JeffM | if it's accepted then we'd have to modify the patch |
| 21:07.12 | JeffM | post the pach on your own site |
| 21:07.21 | khonkhortisan | if it's playtested you'd have to modify the patch |
| 21:07.24 | JeffM | alezakos, what DX did you download |
| 21:07.47 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, the playtesting I was speaking of would be AFTER we break proto and put it into the mainline |
| 21:07.53 | JeffM | it woudl be tested in a beta version |
| 21:07.57 | JeffM | that isn't happening now |
| 21:08.02 | khonkhortisan | oh. Well I still want to play anyway |
| 21:08.10 | JeffM | if you want to test it yourself then you are going to have to do it ALL yourself |
| 21:08.23 | JeffM | sure, then host the testint patch on your machihne or make a winbin |
| 21:08.55 | alezakos | JeffM: DXSDK_Jun10.exe |
| 21:09.08 | JeffM | and what compiler did you use? |
| 21:09.32 | alezakos | I didn't compile, the installation of the SDK produces some error |
| 21:09.45 | JeffM | what OS are you on? |
| 21:10.02 | alezakos | Windows 7 64 bit |
| 21:10.03 | khonkhortisan | Does cross-compiling work for bzflag? |
| 21:10.16 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, nobody has tried it for a long while |
| 21:10.34 | JeffM | alezakos, I have never seen it fail on any system, perhaps your download was bad |
| 21:11.01 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, the one person that did it ended up with a SDL build for windows, but I belive it worked |
| 21:11.01 | alezakos | Okay, I'll try again, thanks |
| 21:11.12 | JeffM | but this was several years ago, maybe even a decade |
| 21:11.33 | JeffM | alezakos, do you have a compiler installed? |
| 21:12.34 | alezakos | I have Visual C++ 2010 Express |
| 21:13.08 | JeffM | ok, that should work |
| 21:16.54 | JeffM | blast007, you should tell the snake guy to just get a twitter account instead of bzbb |
| 21:17.18 | blast007 | I already told him to get a blog ... and he did |
| 21:17.38 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:18.00 | alezakos | I'm in his team |
| 21:18.02 | JeffM | doesn't one of the rules say bzbb isn't an advertising site for your crappy blog? |
| 21:18.03 | blast007 | probably better if he doesn't repost his tweets as well... :P |
| 21:18.07 | alezakos | I can ask him to do so |
| 21:18.15 | blast007 | alezakos: no, please don't :P |
| 21:18.19 | alezakos | :P |
| 21:18.33 | JeffM | alezakos, just tell him to tone it down, the forums arn't there for him to brag all over |
| 21:18.51 | JeffM | he has a blog post there, if people want to see it they will read the blog, he dosnt' have to cross post |
| 21:20.35 | khonkhortisan | the nice thing about my patch is it's only unfair with a newer server. A newer client plays as normal on an older server. |
| 21:21.25 | JeffM | yeah still, it's unfair to old players and that's what the protocoll is there for |
| 21:21.29 | alezakos | khonkhortisan: http://bzstats.strayer.de/servers/stats/?serverid=41441&lang=en |
| 21:21.44 | JeffM | when you join a server you should abe able to do ALL things the server asks you to do |
| 21:21.48 | khonkhortisan | cool |
| 21:21.51 | JeffM | if you can't then you should not be able to join it |
| 21:22.17 | JeffM | we don't want our users to have to get software just to play on a server |
| 21:48.48 | JeffM | yay, C beats java! |
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| 21:51.13 | alezakos | JeffM: The error persists, it gives an error code (S1023) and seems to be fixable (I'll do that tomorrow) |
| 21:51.31 | JeffM | what does that error mean? |
| 21:51.58 | khonkhortisan | what is a valid windows system type? |
| 21:52.18 | alezakos | JeffM: I don't know, a quick google search led me here -> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/chuckw/archive/2011/12/09/known-issue-directx-sdk-june-2010-setup-and-the-s1023-error.aspx |
| 21:52.21 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, in what context |
| 21:52.42 | JeffM | alezakos, odd |
| 21:52.47 | JeffM | but yeah solveable |
| 21:52.55 | khonkhortisan | for ./configure --host=, whatever it normally says for build on a windows |
| 21:53.19 | JeffM | we don't normaly use configure on windows |
| 21:53.25 | JeffM | we don't use Gcc |
| 21:53.31 | khonkhortisan | oh |
| 21:53.57 | JeffM | techincaly you can use configure and the makefiles with mingw on windows |
| 21:54.04 | JeffM | but it has been a while since someone tried |
| 21:54.17 | JeffM | we normaly use visual studio and it dosn't use makefiles |
| 21:54.42 | JeffM | so you are going to have to figure out how to cross compile if you want to go that route |
| 21:54.54 | JeffM | it is not a normal build mehtod we use |
| 21:55.00 | JeffM | do you have a windows machine anywhere? |
| 21:55.08 | khonkhortisan | no |
| 21:55.23 | JeffM | how do you play video games? |
| 21:55.26 | khonkhortisan | can't even steal school cpu |
| 21:55.29 | khonkhortisan | I play them free |
| 21:55.41 | JeffM | not very fun ones then :) |
| 21:55.56 | JeffM | I'll make you a windows build later today |
| 21:56.11 | khonkhortisan | they're regular, the high-quality games are stuck on windows |
| 21:59.22 | JeffM | there are many crappy games on windows ;) |
| 21:59.31 | JeffM | Duke Nukem Forever |
| 22:00.27 | JeffM | you do know that half our player base is on windows right? |
| 22:01.06 | khonkhortisan | I just assume that |
| 22:02.39 | JeffM | seems I don't have the VC runtime installers here, so I'll have to wait till I get home tonight |
| 22:07.57 | alezakos | BTW, someone is looking for their config file in Mac OS: http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=165120#p165120 |
| 22:08.45 | JeffM | then they really need to learn how to search the wiki |
| 22:08.48 | JeffM | http://wiki.bzflag.org/Config_File |
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