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| 04:29.05 | Snake12534 | Hi all |
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| 05:04.38 | allejo | jeffm, http://ejpadero.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/why-do-java-developers-wear-glasses-640x480.jpg |
| 05:14.32 | jeffm | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.44 | jeffm | thankfully I am done with java for at least one term |
| 05:14.57 | jeffm | If I write anything this term I get to pick my language |
| 05:16.27 | allejo | another language next term? |
| 05:16.54 | jeffm | no, next term I'll probably have to take CS 220, advance java |
| 05:17.06 | jeffm | I just started a new term, they are only 11 weeks |
| 05:17.28 | jeffm | this term it's Discrete Math and Software Eng, so no real coding |
| 05:20.32 | allejo | is java the only language you're going to have to take? |
| 05:20.34 | jeffm | actually coding our project in software eng is an option for extra credit, I'll only do it if the others in my group need the help |
| 05:20.37 | jeffm | yes |
| 05:20.54 | jeffm | you can do the entire degree in java if you want |
| 05:21.02 | jeffm | they have workshops and electives in other languages |
| 05:21.07 | jeffm | but they are optional |
| 05:24.35 | allejo | oh cool, where you taking the classes? |
| 05:24.43 | allejo | if you don't mind my asking |
| 05:24.46 | jeffm | from what I understand most instructors will let you write in another language if it's appropriate but everyone will accept java |
| 05:24.54 | jeffm | California Lutheran University |
| 05:26.14 | allejo | i remember that place. it kept sending me emails and flyers for me to apply there. i'm gonna look for any summer classes |
| 05:26.44 | jeffm | I don't know about the daytime undergrad program, I'm in the ADEP one |
| 05:26.56 | jeffm | Adult Degree Evening Program |
| 05:27.16 | jeffm | it crams a semester class down to 11 weeks |
| 05:27.37 | jeffm | they have more degree and class options for normal daytime undergrads |
| 05:27.53 | jeffm | my classes are limited to bassicly just what is needed for the degree |
| 05:28.12 | jeffm | it's a private school so getting classes is not as hard as public ones |
| 05:28.16 | jeffm | but it does cost more |
| 05:29.53 | allejo | ah that makes sense. i was wondering why your terms seemed a tad bit short |
| 05:30.04 | jeffm | some argue that since you can get classes you are at school for less time so it may be a wash in cost |
| 05:30.16 | jeffm | pay more for 4 years instead of staying 5-6 to get the classes you need |
| 05:30.38 | jeffm | yeah, it's accelerated, that's how I'll be able to graduate in 2014 |
| 05:30.58 | jeffm | and only take 2 classes a term |
| 05:31.24 | allejo | wow that is very accelerated. 2014 gradutation |
| 05:31.42 | jeffm | well I am over half done, I think I have 84 credits now |
| 05:31.57 | jeffm | a lot of stuff transferred from community college |
| 05:32.10 | jeffm | tho I still have some general ed to make up |
| 05:32.45 | allejo | ah was about to ask about the GEs. you still have to take them? |
| 05:32.52 | jeffm | this is the first term I've been entirely in classes for my major |
| 05:32.53 | jeffm | yeah |
| 05:33.17 | jeffm | I've taken a biology lab class, and a political science class to get some requirements done |
| 05:34.54 | allejo | woo biology |
| 05:35.46 | jeffm | it was a good class |
| 05:35.56 | jeffm | the only bad teacher I've had so far is java |
| 05:36.09 | jeffm | I may report him and see if they fire him |
| 05:36.30 | allejo | how was he bad? not teaching? |
| 05:37.19 | jeffm | he yelled a lot, treated the adult class like it was kids. didn't cover important topics, didn't give good examples, and singled out stutents |
| 05:37.35 | jeffm | the worst thing he did was tell a group of students to not show up because they were doing so well |
| 05:37.43 | jeffm | and told the entire class what student got the lowest grade |
| 05:38.41 | jeffm | the latter 2 may affect accrediting, and be against privacy laws |
| 05:39.06 | allejo | ouch |
| 05:39.26 | allejo | i take it this was the same teacher that would tell you not to show up? |
| 05:39.42 | jeffm | yeah, I didn't go to the last 2 classes |
| 05:41.31 | Flash | jeffm: are you learning software development methodologies in your SW Eng class? |
| 05:41.43 | jeffm | I will be, I've only had one class so far |
| 05:41.47 | jeffm | the term started last week |
| 05:41.57 | jeffm | the teacher is SUPER big on agile |
| 05:42.01 | jeffm | so we'll see how that goes |
| 05:43.17 | Flash | I just went to an Agile "Train the Trainer" seminar, and they asserted that in 5 years the workforce will be entirely agile, based on what kids coming out of school will know |
| 05:44.00 | jeffm | oh I'm sure that is a truestatment |
| 05:44.16 | jeffm | that doesn't mean all the work will be agile, but the workforce will know agile |
| 05:44.33 | jeffm | I think everyone knows pure waterfall doesn't work |
| 05:44.53 | jeffm | but then pure agile doesn't work all the time ether, especially when you get legacy codebases |
| 05:44.59 | jeffm | so people fall somewhere inbetween |
| 05:45.05 | Flash | there's head knowledge and heart knowledge . . . not the same |
| 05:45.07 | jeffm | and you move around the spectrum based on what you do |
| 05:45.09 | jeffm | yeah |
| 05:45.30 | jeffm | I bet that my class will focus on new projects and not even mention legacy code |
| 05:45.45 | jeffm | there should be a class where you have to fix the crap from another class |
| 05:46.07 | jeffm | like take the projects from the intro class and extend them and you can't rewrite them :) |
| 05:46.13 | jeffm | that'd teach a useable skill |
| 05:46.35 | jeffm | "document this", "what does it do?" "Nobody knows" |
| 05:46.38 | Flash | Actually, I'm impressed that it's being taught at all. When I went to school (dinosaurs still roamed the earth) there was no process taught at all |
| 05:46.56 | jeffm | yeah the concept of process and design has come a long way |
| 05:47.07 | jeffm | this class is a requirement for the major |
| 05:47.20 | Flash | is this a BS or MS? |
| 05:47.29 | jeffm | BS |
| 05:47.39 | jeffm | I may get my MS at the same school too |
| 05:47.45 | jeffm | it's only 10 classes |
| 05:47.52 | jeffm | or 8 if I decide to do a project |
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| 05:51.45 | jeffm | friggin backwards E and upside down A are messing with my head :) |
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| 07:56.13 | jeffm | ∃x∀yP(x,y) in my day math had numbers |
| 07:59.48 | DTRemenak | arithmetic has numbers. math has symbols :) |
| 08:00.00 | jeffm | indeed |
| 08:01.56 | DTRemenak | and if you say it out loud, it makes sense. it's just a shorthand. There exists x for all y such that P(x,y) is true. |
| 08:02.31 | jeffm | oh yeah, I now get what it all means |
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| 08:02.48 | jeffm | tho translating some english sentences into the maths is not always easy |
| 08:03.20 | jeffm | I have one problem left to ask paul about tomorrow, it involves proving that superman/god can't exist |
| 08:03.23 | DTRemenak | and it's easier to write \exists x \forall y : P(x,y) than that whole sentence...especially on a blackboard |
| 08:04.03 | DTRemenak | now if only IRC had a TeX interpreter builtin, that would have even looked cool :) |
| 08:08.13 | DTRemenak | and you can prove anything with the right axioms...if you ever prove something that you know is false, it's time to start questioning your axioms :) |
| 08:08.53 | jeffm | yeah I just don't know how to write this using the rules of inference they want |
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| 13:43.08 | alezakos | What's going on with the bzflag stats? |
| 13:44.17 | alezakos | (http://quol.bzflag.net/) |
| 14:00.03 | blast007 | the stat collector is borked, probably |
| 14:22.09 | sussudio | will a ageia physx card do anything with bzflag? |
| 14:23.59 | blast007 | no |
| 14:24.10 | sussudio | k. |
| 14:42.47 | blast007 | could I get a few players on bzexcess.com:10004 ? wanting to get some activity there so valgrind can point out some memory issues. |
| 18:32.24 | brad | alezakos: http://bzstats.strayer.de/ |
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| 18:49.22 | alezakos | Is there something like a limit to the number of concurrent world weapon shots? |
| 18:51.19 | brad | there is a limit, don't know what it is though. quite small iirc. |
| 18:51.22 | blast007 | I think the server defines a limit, but I'm not sure of the true "maximum" you can have if you bump that up. I think the shot IDs are a 16-bit unsigned int. |
| 18:53.14 | blast007 | WorldWeapons.h:#define _MAX_WORLD_SHOTS 30 |
| 18:53.52 | alezakos | Ah, thank you so much |
| 18:54.12 | alezakos | Is there a reason for its existence? Does changing its value hurt anybody? |
| 18:54.37 | blast007 | too high and you kill pandas. |
| 18:55.20 | alezakos | Oh no |
| 18:55.28 | alezakos | But i care so much about the environment |
| 18:55.31 | blast007 | I'm not sure exactly why it is there or if it'll break stuff if you increase it |
| 18:57.08 | blast007 | I'm not familiar enough with that section of the code to give much advice |
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| 20:24.47 | JeffM | actualy the client dynamicaly generates a list of shots for the world shots |
| 20:25.35 | JeffM | so it's limited to a short |
| 20:25.54 | JeffM | I belive that #defiine is only used for ID's created by built in server stuff |
| 20:26.03 | JeffM | mofo uses more then 30 shots |
| 20:29.53 | blast007 | "built in server stuff" being what, exactly? |
| 20:33.20 | blast007 | the map defined weapons, on-cap weapons, and bzfsAPI all call getNewWorldShotID() which uses that define |
| 20:35.42 | blast007 | mofo probably increased the value of the define |
| 20:35.49 | blast007 | (as have other servers) |
| 20:48.34 | JeffM | yeah those are the things |
| 20:48.58 | JeffM | I'm not even sure why we have a defined limit |
| 20:49.02 | JeffM | since it all auto grows |
| 20:49.24 | JeffM | keep a pool of unused numbers and when you need more add more |
| 21:11.49 | blast007 | oh, and I should say that the bzfsAPI uses getNewWorldShotID only if a specific shot ID isn't specified in the call |
| 21:15.32 | JeffM | ahh that would be how they could go over the limit then |
| 21:15.40 | JeffM | just pass in bigger IDs |
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| 21:27.49 | blast007 | yup |
| 21:28.10 | blast007 | people have recompiled the server with a higher _MAX_WORLD_SHOTS value, though |
| 21:31.21 | JeffM | maybe I'll make it take a pool this weekend and not even have that, if the client can grow then so shoudl the server |
| 21:31.49 | JeffM | that can be done and not break proto |
| 21:31.57 | JeffM | player shots can't be done with out a proto break |
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