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| 03:34.36 | Constitution | BulletCatcher: you awake? |
| 03:38.33 | kierra | i think i hear him snoring |
| 03:46.18 | Constitution | anyway, if you are, any way you could get me a copy of match-20121201-023137.rec and match-20121201-030340.rec? I'm working on a video project |
| 05:57.33 | BulletCatcher | mumbles something about pass-camping, rolls over, and goes back to sleep |
| 06:16.52 | allejo | ~wake BulletCatcher |
| 06:16.53 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on BulletCatcher and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 06:17.21 | BulletCatcher | great |
| 06:17.23 | BulletCatcher | ~ice allejo |
| 06:17.23 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up behind allejo and dumps an entire bucket of ice on top of them |
| 06:17.39 | allejo | hehe |
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| 16:15.52 | swigg | Open question to all devs: Is there *any* way possible that bz might be ported to this device: http://www.ouya.tv/ |
| 16:16.10 | swigg | It's basically an open source gaming console. |
| 16:17.27 | blast007 | it's an android device |
| 16:17.34 | blast007 | so it would require an android port |
| 16:17.48 | blast007 | and that would require a lot of work |
| 16:18.09 | blast007 | it doesn't have the full OpenGL on there, only OpenGL ES |
| 16:19.28 | blast007 | even a device like that Raspberry Pi that runs Linux would take a lot of work to get BZ on it |
| 16:19.41 | blast007 | (same issue with the Pi - only OpenGL ES) |
| 16:20.14 | blast007 | swigg: are you getting an Ouya? |
| 16:20.57 | swigg | I sure am! |
| 16:21.52 | blast007 | mine should either be to me or shipping out in March, unless they can't meet that |
| 16:22.03 | swigg | So, you want one too? |
| 16:22.08 | blast007 | along with four controllers |
| 16:22.37 | blast007 | I contributed to their kickstarter, so I'll be getting one as a reward |
| 16:22.45 | blast007 | and four controllers |
| 16:22.50 | swigg | is there an unoficial port of full openGL? |
| 16:23.04 | blast007 | doesn't work that way, really |
| 16:23.21 | blast007 | sure, there might be some wrapper library, but it'd be better to just do a real port |
| 16:23.32 | blast007 | performance wouldn't be a good with a wrapper |
| 16:23.51 | swigg | This thing may very well change console gaming as we know it |
| 16:24.01 | blast007 | perhaps |
| 16:24.22 | swigg | and , like the slashdot effect, if you guys can get BZ on it, the game will improve |
| 16:24.36 | blast007 | it probably wouldn't be bz |
| 16:24.56 | blast007 | it'd be some game like bz written from scratch |
| 16:26.02 | blast007 | the current codebase would not perform well enough on that device |
| 16:26.34 | swigg | sure, it needs a cleanup and streamlining |
| 16:27.21 | swigg | Is there a leaner version of BZ that would be a good candidate? |
| 16:27.54 | blast007 | no |
| 16:28.22 | blast007 | if there was, don't you think we'd be using that right now? |
| 16:28.37 | swigg | depends on the device |
| 16:28.58 | blast007 | BZFlag 2.99.x had even steeper requirements. |
| 16:29.14 | swigg | I loved that version |
| 16:29.23 | swigg | The global chat lobby was great |
| 16:30.15 | blast007 | eh, not really |
| 16:30.38 | swigg | maybe not for you but it works well in other gaming venues |
| 16:30.43 | blast007 | the problem with BZFlag is that most of it wasn't designed/planned properly from the start |
| 16:30.52 | blast007 | so everything is just duct tapped on |
| 16:31.10 | blast007 | oh, I'm not saying the idea of global chat is bad. just the implmenetation in 2.99.x was bad. |
| 16:33.35 | swigg | looks like someone was working on an android port last year. |
| 16:34.07 | blast007 | link? |
| 16:34.26 | blast007 | this is more how I imagine a game lobby: http://static.bzexcess.com/misc_screenshots/Albatross18_Lobby.png |
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| 17:11.13 | swigg | bzflag on android: http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=17392 |
| 17:11.45 | blast007 | that's a complete rewrite in Java |
| 17:11.46 | swigg | http://boardreader.com/thread/BZFlag_Android_Port_3bxkXdf4.html |
| 17:12.23 | blast007 | and that second link is just a site that grabs forum posts, and is just pointing to the same post |
| 17:13.15 | blast007 | as you can see, it's a very active project: http://bzflag4android.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag4android/ ;) |
| 17:15.09 | swigg | I know. Ideas and inspiration don't make things happen |
| 17:15.22 | swigg | passion and perseverence |
| 17:15.52 | swigg | but if the heavyweights flexed their muscles... |
| 17:18.30 | swigg | Blast: what will you personally do with your Ouya? |
| 17:18.41 | blast007 | netflix |
| 17:18.47 | swigg | Roku for that |
| 17:19.06 | swigg | Plus you have 4 controllers.. doo you have 3 friends? |
| 17:19.42 | swigg | J/K! :) |
| 17:22.32 | blast007 | two hands two feet |
| 17:23.11 | swigg | well, let's see... It's ARM based... so put generic linux on it... or the new windows ARM port and then... BZ on Ouya |
| 17:34.21 | blast007 | still wouldn't run bzflag |
| 17:34.52 | blast007 | you can't run windows ARM on it, since that's not something you can go buy at a store |
| 17:37.31 | blast007 | putting linux on it doesn't mean it will magically be able to run BZFlag |
| 17:37.58 | blast007 | it still would not have hardware accelerated OpenGL, and it would require substantial work to port the game to OpenGL ES |
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| 18:32.29 | JeffM | ok, can anyone run that recording that dupes the mofo crash for me like blast007 said? |
| 18:32.48 | blast007 | let me throw up the one I have |
| 18:32.53 | blast007 | mofo has two more of them, iirc |
| 18:36.12 | JeffM | k |
| 18:36.17 | JeffM | just let me know where to join |
| 18:36.28 | JeffM | now that i can actualy remember my forum password :) |
| 18:36.31 | blast007 | JeffM: bzexcess.com:5152, replay is called MofoCrash |
| 18:36.45 | JeffM | how does one start a replay? |
| 18:36.53 | blast007 | I loaded the replay on there now, actually |
| 18:36.56 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.12 | JeffM | and connect as a player or observer? |
| 18:37.25 | blast007 | doesn't matter, it'll put you to observer regardless |
| 18:38.13 | I_Died_Once | i have a new recording from last night |
| 18:38.28 | I_Died_Once | another massive client crash |
| 18:38.58 | I_Died_Once | ...and we have a replay on out host... change to port 4203 |
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| 18:39.52 | blast007 | JeffM: did you crash there too? |
| 18:39.53 | JeffM | wow, it doesn't even throw an exception |
| 18:39.56 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:39.58 | blast007 | k |
| 18:39.59 | JeffM | just BAM |
| 18:40.01 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:40.19 | blast007 | iirc, it's triggering the 'suicide' function |
| 18:40.21 | JeffM | it does have an exit code |
| 18:40.26 | blast007 | or 'die' |
| 18:40.43 | blast007 | bzflag hooks into some signals |
| 18:40.58 | I_Died_Once | I can upload it somewhere if ya'll would like to see the one from last night |
| 18:41.03 | JeffM | yeah but what does exit code "3" mean |
| 18:41.15 | JeffM | we never exit with anything other then 0 or 1 |
| 18:41.43 | blast007 | SIGQUIT perhaps |
| 18:42.30 | JeffM | I'm reruning with some different debugger settings |
| 18:42.59 | JeffM | ok, can I rerun it by just joining again? |
| 18:43.10 | I_Died_Once | blast, where can I upload or send this recording to for you guys to look at it when ya'll get ready? |
| 18:44.18 | DTRemenak | abort() uses 3 |
| 18:44.36 | DTRemenak | don't recall bzflag ever using abort though |
| 18:45.02 | blast007 | JeffM: you could do '/replay load MofoCrash' again, or if it's finished playing, do '/replay play' again |
| 18:45.37 | DTRemenak | although SIGABRT would probably do the same |
| 18:46.03 | JeffM | got it to b reak |
| 18:46.52 | JeffM | it's in the treads code |
| 18:47.40 | JeffM | like a bad track mark is being added to the treads list |
| 18:47.50 | JeffM | it's trying to update it and getting back an invalid pointer |
| 18:48.01 | JeffM | somone must have walked over memory |
| 18:48.18 | blast007 | starting to seem more like memory corruption.. |
| 18:48.23 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:48.49 | JeffM | I don't think I can run boundschecker on bzflag |
| 18:48.59 | blast007 | shot paths, treads, one when unpacking a flag code... |
| 18:49.04 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:49.08 | JeffM | someone has blown over the data |
| 18:49.21 | JeffM | a linux client needs to valgrind |
| 18:49.45 | blast007 | let me bring up a VM quick |
| 18:51.20 | JeffM | good lord, why are we using our own container for tracks? |
| 18:51.29 | JeffM | std::list should work just fine |
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| 19:06.06 | blast007 | wow.. dunno if this is due to being in a VM or what, but... |
| 19:06.10 | blast007 | ==7168== More than 10000000 total errors detected. I'm not reporting any more. |
| 19:06.37 | blast007 | I hadn't even joined a server yet... it was loading the main menu |
| 19:06.49 | blast007 | (that's valgrind output, btw) |
| 19:08.32 | blast007 | yeah, seems lots of them are in VBoxOGLcrutil.so... |
| 19:13.19 | JeffM | you should be able to tell it to ignore some of them |
| 19:16.48 | blast007 | gonna see if I have a spare SATA drive lying around |
| 19:39.28 | blast007 | well, I have a linux system.. just one that I can only run at 640x480 :P |
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| 19:53.42 | blast007 | swigg_: http://unrealvoodoo.org/git/glesport.git/ |
| 19:54.39 | blast007 | http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/projects/maemo/ |
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| 20:39.48 | Chestal | what's with the server filter variables in 2.4? I see them in the config, can they be put to use somehow? |
| 20:54.16 | BulletCatcher | On the server list page press any digit to see its corresponding filter. |
| 20:54.33 | BulletCatcher | 0 (zero) defaults to an empty filter. |
| 20:56.48 | Chestal | thans, looks like a stealth feature :-) |
| 20:56.59 | Chestal | can not be edited in-game I presume? |
| 21:08.46 | BulletCatcher | Correct. The only way to change them is to directly edit the config.cfg file. |
| 21:09.24 | BulletCatcher | Don't do that while bzflag is running, or your changes will be overwritten when bzflag exits. |
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| 22:08.12 | blast007 | sigh.. and I'm once again reminded why I don't run Linux on desktop systems... |
| 22:08.41 | blast007 | the open-source nvidia driver causes UI crashes, and the two versions of the proprietary nvidia driver cause the UI to not load at all... |
| 22:12.52 | blast007 | guess I'll see if by some miracle the open driver can actually run something as complicated as a game :P |
| 22:14.06 | Chestal | blast007: thanks for reminding me why I avoid nvidia :-) |
| 22:16.24 | blast007 | AMD is worse |
| 22:16.33 | blast007 | that doesn't even work correctly in Windows |
| 22:16.52 | Chestal | yes, depending on your needs there are no good options on Linux, I agree |
| 22:16.58 | Chestal | you're bascially stuck with older HW |
| 22:18.07 | blast007 | might just be my fault for using Ubuntu |
| 22:18.24 | blast007 | but heck, even my old nVidia 5200 isn't supported well on Linux |
| 22:18.42 | blast007 | crashes with the open driver, and the proprietary driver is stuck at 640x480 |
| 22:18.56 | I_Died_Once | hey... I love nvidia, never had such problems with their cards or drivers |
| 22:18.58 | blast007 | (that was on a debian wheezy) |
| 22:19.11 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: well what video card do you have? |
| 22:19.22 | blast007 | I'm using a GTX 660 Ti in here |
| 22:19.23 | I_Died_Once | i had the 5200 card for years |
| 22:19.33 | Chestal | reportedly, the proprietary drivers work quite well. but I still avoid them because it just sucks to have such a dependency |
| 22:19.41 | I_Died_Once | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1) |
| 22:19.42 | blast007 | I've got two 5200's, one AGP and one PCI - both stuck at 640x480 in linux |
| 22:20.06 | blast007 | if I run without the driver and just do the standard non-accelerated stuff, I can run at higher resolutions |
| 22:20.17 | I_Died_Once | currently i had the driver installed "the debian way" but the driver from their site works well too |
| 22:20.33 | I_Died_Once | and i run with compiz and full on bling |
| 22:20.36 | I_Died_Once | dual monitor |
| 22:20.41 | blast007 | I tried "the Ubuntu" way on this |
| 22:20.50 | blast007 | which is click the radio button and hit 'apply' |
| 22:21.22 | I_Died_Once | it should compile a kernel module |
| 22:21.28 | blast007 | it did |
| 22:21.37 | I_Died_Once | and then you gotta edit/update your xorg.conf |
| 22:21.50 | blast007 | this is Ubuntu, not Debian |
| 22:22.09 | I_Died_Once | Ubunto pretty much *is* debian |
| 22:22.11 | blast007 | no |
| 22:22.21 | I_Died_Once | **Ubuntu |
| 22:22.24 | I_Died_Once | use the one from their site |
| 22:22.36 | blast007 | many of the packages are straight from Debian, sure, but there are many core differences |
| 22:23.51 | I_Died_Once | blast, do.... lspci | grep nvidia |
| 22:23.58 | blast007 | it's a 660 Ti |
| 22:25.07 | I_Died_Once | 32 or 64 bit OS ?? |
| 22:25.13 | blast007 | 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK104 [GeForce GTX 660 Ti] [10de:1183] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 22:25.16 | blast007 | 64-bit |
| 22:25.35 | I_Died_Once | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-310.19-driver.html |
| 22:25.52 | blast007 | that's one that Ubuntu installed for me |
| 22:26.24 | I_Died_Once | 310.19 ?? |
| 22:28.07 | blast007 | 310.14 |
| 22:28.27 | I_Died_Once | if you have an up to date driver, I'd say to double over your xorg.conf |
| 22:29.06 | I_Died_Once | been through a few issues myself, feel your pain |
| 22:31.49 | I_Died_Once | see if you can run nvidia-config |
| 22:31.56 | I_Died_Once | command line tool |
| 22:32.15 | I_Died_Once | will parse/look over your xorg.conf and set it right |
| 22:32.18 | I_Died_Once | or close to right |
| 22:33.16 | I_Died_Once | erm, nvidia-xconfig |
| 22:33.52 | I_Died_Once | it runs automatically if you use and install the proprietary driver from their site |
| 22:34.00 | I_Died_Once | it'll ask you at the end |
| 22:35.07 | blast007 | crashed the open driver as soon as I tried to launch bzflag ;) |
| 22:35.24 | I_Died_Once | well dangit man |
| 22:35.50 | I_Died_Once | check for a problem between your computer chair and the keyboard |
| 22:35.52 | I_Died_Once | ducks |
| 22:38.57 | I_Died_Once | after compiling and messing with the kernel, you might want to restart just to be sure no old modules are loaded |
| 22:39.18 | I_Died_Once | maybe a bit much and not needed, but thats me for ya |
| 22:40.00 | I_Died_Once | did you try nvidia-xconfig ?? |
| 22:40.54 | blast007 | I purged the configuration from the last two attempts, reinstalled the 'tested' driver, ran nvidia-xconfig, and now I'll see what happens |
| 22:44.22 | blast007 | even worse. now I have no UI *and* it's displaying at 640x480 :P |
| 22:44.51 | I_Died_Once | is it a VM? |
| 22:45.16 | blast007 | no |
| 22:45.25 | blast007 | if it was a VM, I wouldn't be installing the nVidia driver |
| 22:45.45 | I_Died_Once | dmesg | grep nvidia |
| 22:46.09 | blast007 | only makes mention of HDMI audio |
| 22:46.41 | I_Died_Once | driver either isn't installed correctly or not loaded |
| 22:47.34 | I_Died_Once | can you pastebin the xorg.conf ?? |
| 22:48.38 | blast007 | it's probably still trying to load the open driver as well.... |
| 22:50.14 | I_Died_Once | uninstall whatever open driver you have, install the one from the site |
| 22:50.33 | I_Died_Once | I say that because the one from nvidia.com will set it up properly |
| 22:51.02 | I_Died_Once | if me and my retarded self can do it |
| 22:53.35 | I_Died_Once | the nvidia.com one will tell you "you have this other driver already installed.. you sure?" |
| 22:54.20 | I_Died_Once | you say yes, it'll uninstall the other one, compile the new one, and ask if you want it to check your conf, say yes to that |
| 22:55.14 | I_Died_Once | biggest issue might be blacklisting the nouveux (however its spelled) driver if theres a conflict |
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| 22:56.25 | I_Died_Once | nouveau |
| 22:58.22 | I_Died_Once | "By default Ubuntu will use the open source video driver called Nouveau for your NVIDIA graphics card. This driver lacks support for 3D acceleration and may not work with the very latest video cards or technologies from NVIDIA. " |
| 22:58.49 | I_Died_Once | if you don't bliacklist it, and specify the nvidia driver in the xorg, you're going to go nowhere |
| 22:59.00 | I_Died_Once | and trust me, i've been down the street and back on this |
| 23:02.01 | blast007 | I gave up |
| 23:02.28 | blast007 | after removing nouveau, even my terminal (outside of X) was scaled down to 640x480 |
| 23:02.54 | I_Died_Once | I could do it if I was in front of the system |
| 23:02.56 | blast007 | the 'nvidia' driver was specified in xorg.conf, but it didn't work |
| 23:03.37 | I_Died_Once | maybe even with ssh |
| 23:03.58 | blast007 | "Can you see the screen now? Good!" |
| 23:04.30 | blast007 | this is why I only use Linux for servers |
| 23:04.56 | I_Died_Once | gimme ssh and a few minutes with it |
| 23:05.07 | brlcad | blast007: if you want commits to stream in here again, one of my buddies wrote a replacement that has been working great |
| 23:05.29 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: I already unplugged the drive and re-attached my normal drives and am back in Windows 7 |
| 23:05.47 | blast007 | brlcad: what's the replacement called? |
| 23:05.51 | brlcad | it's even cia rpc-compatible, though e-mail is what we're using |
| 23:05.55 | brlcad | notify |
| 23:06.59 | I_Died_Once | blast007, if you wanna give it another try, let me know |
| 23:07.00 | brlcad | it doesn't have all of cia's infrastructure, but it does the job |
| 23:07.25 | I_Died_Once | linux is awesome for desktop |
| 23:07.27 | blast007 | kinda a generic name to do a search for - got a link? ;) |
| 23:08.41 | brlcad | blast007: not sure what you're expecting to find, this is more like cia when it was in its first month of development |
| 23:08.45 | brlcad | but he does have this up: http://elfga.com/notify |
| 23:08.58 | brlcad | you can't self register or anything, we've not announced anything |
| 23:09.18 | brlcad | he just set it a couple weeks ago when the cia reboot was taking too long |
| 23:09.44 | brlcad | so if you want it in here, I'll let him know and point the bot |
| 23:09.44 | blast007 | ah, so more than just a notification bot |
| 23:10.10 | brlcad | ? |
| 23:10.13 | brlcad | not really |
| 23:10.30 | blast007 | all I was looking for was a stand-alone IRC bot that would watch a repo and report changes here |
| 23:11.17 | brlcad | yeah, this is not that -- it's more like CIA almost identically, just without the mass infrastructure |
| 23:11.45 | brlcad | it'd just be joined to the commits mailing list |
| 23:11.51 | brlcad | and the bot joined here |
| 23:15.29 | brlcad | it's easy enough to turn on/off so I can set it up and can be turned off if another option comes up |
| 23:15.37 | brlcad | the silence is deafening :) |
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