| 00:07.09 | JeffM | sure, got 1500$ ? |
| 00:26.29 | blast007 | heh, I mean for someone that has one ;) |
| 00:26.41 | blast007 | like that guy on the forum |
| 00:30.45 | JeffM | if they know how to read the info from it |
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| 02:35.26 | Flash | is Jeff about? |
| 02:39.48 | I_Died_Once | doesn't look like it |
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| 02:57.12 | Flash | did you do that? |
| 02:57.16 | Flash | is in awe |
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| 04:07.35 | sussudio | $(*_%# |
| 04:08.56 | sussudio | client crash on mofo just now took 6 or 7 people... |
| 04:09.24 | allejo | we're investigating it, the crashes have become somewhat common |
| 04:09.43 | sussudio | and i'm going to have to reboot to get my normal gamma back... |
| 04:15.56 | I_Died_Once | sussudio - what allejo said |
| 04:16.11 | I_Died_Once | we are hoping to have that fixed soon |
| 04:16.27 | JeffM | you get the sources for your plugin? |
| 04:23.39 | JeffM | so we never got a CIA replacement? |
| 04:25.11 | JeffM | sussudio, I'll have a new build for you to try in a bit |
| 04:25.22 | I_Died_Once | No jacket required |
| 04:31.22 | JeffM | http://www.invertedpolarity.com/code/bzflag/bzflag-2.4.3_32Bit.exe |
| 04:31.48 | JeffM | that will prevent a shot from being created outside the range that a client can accept |
| 04:43.51 | sussudio | ok |
| 04:44.24 | I_Died_Once | JeddM, you should add whatever it was you did with that to svn |
| 04:44.29 | I_Died_Once | **JeffM |
| 04:44.42 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, I did |
| 04:48.57 | JeffM | the proper fix would be your busted plugins |
| 04:51.22 | I_Died_Once | indeed |
| 05:04.10 | L4m3r | what *is* the range that a client can accept? |
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| 05:04.33 | JeffM | 0 to the max shots -1 |
| 05:04.52 | JeffM | normal array index stuff |
| 05:04.55 | JeffM | CS 101 |
| 05:08.49 | JeffM | only the "server player" has dynamicly sized array for shots |
| 05:09.08 | JeffM | tank players are limited to max shots, it's all tied into the reload system |
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| 18:25.07 | JeffM | did mofo get it's plugins to send valid IDs? |
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| 19:16.33 | JeffM | I wrote up a wiki article on the simplest way to fix the shot ID problems to allow for the mofo plugins in an oficial capacity |
| 19:16.47 | JeffM | I'd have to wait for a breaking release but it may not be too hard to do |
| 19:16.56 | JeffM | just spliting the shot list into 2 parts |
| 19:25.58 | Pimpinella | i need a big favor of one of you us inhabitants |
| 19:26.38 | Pimpinella | i want a piece of software they will only sell within usa |
| 19:26.56 | Pimpinella | for some unknown reason |
| 19:27.27 | Pimpinella | would anyone please buy and download it for me? |
| 19:27.41 | Pimpinella | i'll send the money in advance |
| 19:28.41 | Pimpinella | this one: |
| 19:28.43 | Pimpinella | http://www.necdisplay.com/p/SVIISOFT-W |
| 19:29.45 | Pimpinella | i tried to use a proxy, but they ask for an adress and compare the credit card data with it |
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| 21:02.21 | allejo | JeffM what's the link to the article? |
| 21:03.08 | JeffM | you could have looked at "recent edits" :) |
| 21:03.40 | JeffM | http://wiki.bzflag.org/DevelopmentPlans/ShotIDCleanup |
| 21:05.03 | JeffM | it's mostly just seperating the shot lists |
| 21:21.13 | allejo | thank you sir, and i forgot about the recent edits :) |
| 21:22.11 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:23.08 | JeffM | there is a branch that also tried to change the shot IDs |
| 21:23.11 | JeffM | 2 of them actualy |
| 21:23.18 | JeffM | but they try to do too much at once |
| 21:44.33 | L4m3r | wait, so for world weapons, is it still just N shots or is that a dynamic list? |
| 21:44.53 | JeffM | world weapons are N shots in a dynamic list |
| 21:45.04 | JeffM | player shots are MaxShots in a fixed size array |
| 21:45.33 | L4m3r | so you can have an arbitrary number of simultaneously-fired world weapons? |
| 21:45.37 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:45.52 | JeffM | up to however big the ID in the packet is |
| 21:46.21 | L4m3r | I'm still not sure where the 5-digit ID came from in the core dump that IDO posted |
| 21:46.46 | JeffM | it's probalby not what was sent over the wire |
| 21:46.54 | JeffM | IIRC the shot ID in the packet is a byte |
| 21:46.59 | JeffM | it gets turned into an int somewhere |
| 21:47.04 | JeffM | and that will change it for the debuger |
| 21:47.09 | L4m3r | the flag plugins fire shots with IDs XXYY, where XX is the playerID and YY is a sequential number from 01-99 |
| 21:47.15 | JeffM | are you EVER assigning a shot ID for a shot that is tied to a player? |
| 21:47.29 | JeffM | it fires world weapons or player shots? |
| 21:47.29 | L4m3r | no, they are all world weapons |
| 21:47.48 | JeffM | so you assume 100 shots per player? |
| 21:47.49 | L4m3r | firing shots from players has never worked, at least as I've attempted it- even without assigning an ID |
| 21:48.04 | L4m3r | the plugins all re-credit the kills after the fact |
| 21:48.19 | JeffM | let me look and see what the ID i in the firing info is |
| 21:48.32 | JeffM | you may be overflowing |
| 21:48.40 | JeffM | and that may be why it thinks it's a player shot |
| 21:48.44 | L4m3r | if it's a byte. that is certainly possible |
| 21:49.01 | JeffM | looking |
| 21:49.24 | JeffM | I'm impressed you convinced I_Died_Once to run black box code on his machine |
| 21:49.37 | L4m3r | :P |
| 21:49.56 | L4m3r | it's not like I'm going to wreck stuff on purpose |
| 21:50.09 | JeffM | still just in principle |
| 21:50.24 | JeffM | I'd have set up a closed svn repo and given out specific access to server owner |
| 21:51.01 | JeffM | it's an unsigned short |
| 21:51.04 | JeffM | so 16 bits |
| 21:51.15 | JeffM | ever get over 65 players? |
| 21:51.28 | JeffM | and that dosn't count any shots from any other plugin |
| 21:51.42 | JeffM | lets see how it's received |
| 21:52.00 | L4m3r | well, the IDs can collide from the various flags, since no player will hold more than one of them at a given time |
| 21:53.21 | L4m3r | and to overflow a short, there would need to be 655 players, would there not? |
| 21:53.31 | JeffM | true |
| 21:54.19 | L4m3r | the core dump said the playerID was 3, so the shotID should have been 3XX |
| 21:54.44 | JeffM | it's a world weapon, the player ID has to be the server player ID |
| 21:54.46 | JeffM | 254 |
| 21:55.04 | JeffM | are you mucking with the playerID of the shot message? |
| 21:55.14 | L4m3r | heck no, that never works |
| 21:55.32 | JeffM | exactly so the player ID for every shot you fire has to be the same |
| 21:55.35 | L4m3r | it's 100% world weapon, the killer isn't reassigned until the kill event |
| 21:55.44 | JeffM | so the question is how did a shot with playerID 3 get in there? |
| 21:56.04 | L4m3r | maybe it's not the plugin. or not the WW part, anyway |
| 21:56.19 | L4m3r | seems to be something with collision/rico handling |
| 21:56.25 | JeffM | possibly but we've never head about crashes like this on any other server |
| 21:56.40 | JeffM | a test would be to remove all the shot plugins for a day and see if anyone crashes |
| 21:56.46 | JeffM | how many crashes do you get a day usualy? |
| 21:56.50 | L4m3r | no idea |
| 21:57.06 | L4m3r | could it be something to do with the custom flags, not the WW shots, but the "normal" shots that we don't mess with? |
| 21:57.35 | JeffM | the player is the byte right before the ID, so something could be blowing over it |
| 21:57.45 | JeffM | possibly, those usualy fire shots just like normal |
| 21:58.00 | L4m3r | right, but they have a different type |
| 21:58.02 | JeffM | the server dosn't do anythign with shots for custom flags |
| 21:58.10 | JeffM | dosn't matter, there is only ever one shot list |
| 21:58.22 | JeffM | the client computes the shot ID the same for any flag |
| 21:58.29 | JeffM | the flag type is just used for death and rendering |
| 21:59.03 | L4m3r | wishes he was better with gdb |
| 21:59.25 | JeffM | I'm also not sure how changing the killerID in the death message will work, since I think that death message also ends the shot |
| 21:59.47 | JeffM | and the client would look for a shot with the world ID in the player's list |
| 22:00.09 | L4m3r | I wanna say that if it was a problem, we'd be seeing a LOT more crashes |
| 22:00.28 | L4m3r | and they'd be crashing on a kill message, not a shot fired message |
| 22:00.29 | JeffM | not knowing what you wrote there is little I can do to comment or help you more |
| 22:00.42 | JeffM | you are outside of what is supported by the game ;) |
| 22:00.55 | L4m3r | yup :) |
| 22:01.43 | JeffM | Don't be too proud of this technological terror you have contstructed |
| 22:01.55 | JeffM | honstly what it's mostly doing is making people think bzflag is more buggy |
| 22:02.50 | L4m3r | I'm still not convinced that it's me; IDO doesn't want to test without the flags |
| 22:03.27 | JeffM | then crash away |
| 22:03.35 | L4m3r | something blowing over the playerID in the shot is an interesting though though, I wonder how that could happen |
| 22:03.35 | JeffM | or set up a seperate test server |
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| 22:08.23 | L4m3r | I can send you the source if you like, but there's really not a lot to it |
| 22:08.59 | JeffM | up to you guys |
| 22:09.14 | JeffM | honsestly I'd try to narrow down what it is first |
| 22:09.21 | L4m3r | agreed |
| 22:09.26 | JeffM | but if he dosnt' want to make any changes then he can deal with crashes |
| 22:10.02 | JeffM | probalby too worried about loosing the top spot |
| 22:10.17 | JeffM | what ever will those 100 people do! |
| 22:10.57 | L4m3r | the flags are fun but they're not strategically critical, I think they'd tolerate not having them, at least temporarily |
| 22:11.12 | L4m3r | as long as geno whoring still works it should all be OK |
| 22:11.30 | JeffM | make 2 servers, one with out and called "mofo experimental" |
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