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| 07:22.01 | onlinecop | Does anyone here compile for OS X (either your own builds, or for releases)? I'm unable to open a fullscreen window on OS X Lion/MountainLion. |
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| 15:29.37 | onlinecop | Can anyone in here compile for OS X? |
| 15:30.05 | blast007 | why are you trying to compile on OSX? |
| 15:30.09 | blast007 | and which version of OSX? |
| 15:30.18 | onlinecop | Cause that's my only version of an OS :D |
| 15:30.24 | onlinecop | Mountain Lion or Lion. |
| 15:30.34 | blast007 | well, which one? |
| 15:30.42 | onlinecop | So running full-screen will stop because the sdk says everything is deprecated. |
| 15:30.46 | onlinecop | Both. |
| 15:30.52 | onlinecop | One machine has Lion, one has Mountain Lion. |
| 15:31.06 | onlinecop | But it compiles fine, just won't let me play unless it's windowed. |
| 15:31.13 | blast007 | and you have SDL installed? |
| 15:31.21 | onlinecop | Full-screen exits with "<Warning>: CGDisplayBaseAddress is obsolete and returning NULL for display 0x4272d40" |
| 15:31.23 | onlinecop | Yes |
| 15:31.36 | onlinecop | libsdl @1.2.15_0 |
| 15:31.39 | blast007 | and the version string of the game has "SDL" in it? |
| 15:32.50 | onlinecop | The one I got from the distributed .dmg says: BZFlag client 2.4.0.20110705-STABLE-darwin10.7.0-SDL (protocol 0221) http://BZFlag.org/ while |
| 15:32.51 | onlinecop | Mine says: BZFlag client 2.4.3.20120925-DEVEL-darwin11.4.2-SDL (protocol 0221) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 15:33.00 | onlinecop | Mine is the one I'm compiling myself. |
| 15:33.49 | blast007 | building doesn't work right on 10.8 or 10.7 afaik |
| 15:33.56 | onlinecop | When I run it, I get this error as well: |
| 15:34.04 | onlinecop | <Warning>: CGDisplayBaseAddress is obsolete and returning NULL for display 0x4272d40 |
| 15:34.12 | onlinecop | Could not set Video Mode: Error setting OpenGL fullscreen: invalid fullscreen drawable. |
| 15:34.13 | onlinecop | ERROR: Unable to initialize an OpenGL context |
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| 15:34.37 | blast007 | the build we have was compiled on 10.6, I believe |
| 15:34.47 | blast007 | so you'll probably have to do that |
| 15:34.59 | onlinecop | Yeah; I know they deprecated calls in Lion and later... |
| 15:35.07 | blast007 | or perhaps try a newer SDL, like the 2.0 |
| 15:35.25 | onlinecop | So we have to simply have access to a 10.6 machine or earlier in order to compile, then run it on 10.7 and later? |
| 15:35.42 | blast007 | CGDisplayBaseAddress isn't in our code |
| 15:35.48 | blast007 | it's probably in SDL |
| 15:36.08 | onlinecop | I've got a few other 'libsdl' versions, but I'm not exactly sure how to use them: |
| 15:36.13 | onlinecop | libsdl-framework @20110119_0 (active) |
| 15:36.13 | onlinecop | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.27 | onlinecop | So I'd just need to build against those? |
| 15:36.29 | blast007 | how did you install SDL? |
| 15:36.33 | onlinecop | Macports |
| 15:36.38 | blast007 | congrats, your system is now hosed |
| 15:36.41 | onlinecop | lol |
| 15:36.42 | blast007 | have fun reinstalling |
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| 15:37.08 | onlinecop | Lion has Macports. Mountain Lion still doesn't have it, so I can build on that. |
| 15:37.20 | blast007 | don't use anything like Macports |
| 15:37.23 | onlinecop | (I mean, MY computers with Lion/ML, respectively) |
| 15:37.25 | blast007 | it will just break your system |
| 15:37.41 | onlinecop | I have to use Macports for work. :-S |
| 15:38.01 | blast007 | your work likes to break your computers? |
| 15:38.04 | onlinecop | We write all sorts of iPhone games, so I have to have libraries that "our boss" tells us to use Macports for. |
| 15:38.17 | blast007 | no, you don't. |
| 15:38.30 | onlinecop | My rule of thumb is: If the boss says to break things, I keep my job by doing what my boss says :D |
| 15:38.47 | onlinecop | Even if he's not Always Right. |
| 15:39.05 | blast007 | http://www.libsdl.org/hg.php |
| 15:39.09 | onlinecop | Okay, so I'm pulling up my NON-Macports machine with Mountain Lion on it. |
| 15:39.33 | blast007 | how much RAM do you have? |
| 15:39.37 | onlinecop | 8 GB |
| 15:39.51 | blast007 | install virtualbox and install some form of linux in a VM :P |
| 15:39.57 | onlinecop | Am I looking for the 1.2 or the 2.0 SDL version? |
| 15:40.23 | blast007 | 2.0 probably, but I dunno |
| 15:40.23 | onlinecop | Ubuntu is in VirtualBox now. What do I do? |
| 15:40.27 | blast007 | I don't have a mac ;) |
| 15:41.01 | blast007 | we have a rather detailed README.Linux file for building on Ubuntu |
| 15:41.18 | onlinecop | Then how do you that Macports is horrible? :P |
| 15:41.51 | onlinecop | It sure keeps my outdated software pretty recent (curl, sdl, etc.) |
| 15:42.14 | blast007 | because of all the people that have problems with it |
| 15:43.13 | onlinecop | Isn't it on par with Linux's apt-get, though? |
| 15:43.32 | blast007 | your mac isn't linux nor unix, it's a mac |
| 15:43.42 | blast007 | treating it as such will lead to problems |
| 15:44.13 | blast007 | seems like the CIA bot is dead.. |
| 15:44.24 | onlinecop | Right: all of the included Darwin software is buggy and outdated, which is why Macports has been helping us (myself and co-workers) to get the GNU functionality back. |
| 15:44.42 | blast007 | should probably pick a different OS then |
| 15:44.59 | onlinecop | Yeah; kinda hard to compile iPad apps on a Windows or Linux box :D |
| 15:45.18 | blast007 | should probably pick a different target platform |
| 15:50.33 | onlinecop | So anyway... in order for me to help with any development on bzflag, I'll need to be able to compile and run a local copy. |
| 15:50.49 | onlinecop | Since there are only about 2 active committers to the SVN source :D |
| 15:51.43 | onlinecop | I really don't want to submit patches and fixes without being able to see that what I put in actually works. Like my most recent SourceForge patch was missing a ';' that I didn't catch till I tried to compile. Ugh. |
| 15:51.49 | blast007 | Windows 7 works well as a BZFlag development platform ;) |
| 15:52.59 | onlinecop | True, but if anyone wants Mac support in the future, we're going to have to either rely on a single dev out there "somewhere" who has a low enough 10.6 machine that can still build it for "everyone with Mountain Lion and later who want to play", or rewrite the Mac port so it uses api calls that hadn't been deprecated. |
| 15:53.21 | blast007 | 10.8 no longer has gcc/g++ from what I heard |
| 15:53.25 | blast007 | it's some other compiler now |
| 15:53.30 | onlinecop | llvm? |
| 15:53.33 | blast007 | yeah |
| 15:53.41 | blast007 | and they don't provide the GNU autotools |
| 15:53.50 | onlinecop | Yeah; the keep making their stone wall bigger and bigger. |
| 15:53.58 | blast007 | so our lame Xcode project doesn't work anymore |
| 15:54.20 | onlinecop | Yeah; I've been warned to NOT upgrade my Xcode version, since it strips out all the necessary files that we need to compile our older iPhone apps. |
| 15:54.35 | blast007 | so the real solution is to create a proper Xcode project and build it with Xcode instead of having our Xcode project just call the command line GNU tools |
| 15:55.05 | blast007 | (or switch to something like Cmake that can just generate our build files for us) |
| 15:55.21 | onlinecop | Who usually builds the Mac version for you? Maybe he'll have some pointers on what he's done to get everything working right. |
| 15:55.27 | blast007 | or give up and write a new game in Torque3D |
| 15:55.35 | onlinecop | Unity3d? :D |
| 15:55.42 | blast007 | Unity3D does not support Linux |
| 15:55.49 | blast007 | nor is it open-source, iirc |
| 15:56.08 | onlinecop | They're just starting Linux support, but you're right: it's not open source. |
| 15:56.22 | blast007 | Torque3D just went open-source recently |
| 15:56.22 | onlinecop | But the language they use is either C# or Javascript. |
| 15:56.47 | onlinecop | Will it be a huge overhaul to port it to torque? |
| 15:57.09 | blast007 | it's a new game, not a port |
| 15:57.11 | onlinecop | And would there be any advantage to using it instead of DirectX and OpenGL calls like it's using now? |
| 15:57.18 | onlinecop | Mmm. |
| 15:57.37 | blast007 | and it already has proper client/server networking where the server is the authority |
| 15:57.54 | blast007 | and it has editors |
| 15:59.33 | onlinecop | But there's no way that clients using the current bzflag or bzadmin would be able to interact with it? |
| 15:59.48 | onlinecop | They'd have to use the new Torque3d build or nothing at all? |
| 16:00.12 | blast007 | exactly |
| 16:00.21 | blast007 | it'd be a new project |
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| 16:03.09 | lvlinux | hi |
| 16:03.14 | onlinecop | Hey lv. |
| 16:03.34 | Constitution | onlinecop: we are (supposedly) slowly working on setting up an xcode project compatible with later OS versions |
| 16:03.54 | onlinecop | Constitution: I don't mind helping with that, so long as I know which files need to be included. |
| 16:04.16 | Constitution | the project file we have just passes some commands to gcc, and then assembles the .app, which is primarily why it doesn't work on 10.7/10.8 |
| 16:04.22 | onlinecop | But I haven't been able to get it to run yet at all, so don't know whether my setup is correct, or if the README.MacOSX needs a major overhaul. :( |
| 16:04.49 | Constitution | yeah basically forget anything this project ever told you about compiling on Mac OS X ;) |
| 16:05.00 | Constitution | it needs to be totally reworked |
| 16:05.10 | onlinecop | Right now, I've copied the generated 'bzflag' binary and copied it over the top of the one found within my working Bzflag.app/ binary. |
| 16:05.32 | Constitution | you built it with the g++ from macports? |
| 16:05.52 | onlinecop | Yes. |
| 16:05.57 | onlinecop | It wouldn't compile in Xcode. |
| 16:06.04 | Constitution | no way |
| 16:06.21 | onlinecop | I'm using Xcode 4.4.1, so not the latest build. |
| 16:07.18 | Constitution | well, I'm not sure how much we'll be able to support your highly unorthodox build... if you want to help us with the updated xcode project, that is always welcome |
| 16:07.54 | Constitution | which SDL did you link against when you built it? |
| 16:08.01 | onlinecop | Looking at the BZFlag.xcodeproj folder and the Xcode build settings, it doesn't look like it's including ANY of the sources necessary to even build... |
| 16:08.30 | Constitution | I already told you, xcode doesn't compile any code directly |
| 16:08.47 | onlinecop | Would that show up in the config.log file? |
| 16:08.59 | Constitution | maybe not clearly enough... the current xcode project passes commands to _autotools_ to compile the sources, then assembles the .app |
| 16:09.17 | blast007 | onlinecop: the config.log might show it |
| 16:09.33 | blast007 | the final output of ./configure may tell you as well |
| 16:09.54 | onlinecop | Xcode has the /.configure line as this: ./configure --enable-universal --enable-shared --enable-debug |
| 16:10.01 | onlinecop | But I'd just been using plain './configure' |
| 16:10.03 | blast007 | though it's also entirely possible that it's mixing parts of multiple SDL versions |
| 16:10.22 | Constitution | did you install SDL somehow? you should know what you installed :) |
| 16:10.31 | blast007 | macports :P |
| 16:10.35 | blast007 | and there's multiple installed |
| 16:10.39 | Constitution | my guess is it didn't link against SDL at all |
| 16:10.52 | blast007 | the version string of his client does say SDL |
| 16:10.59 | Constitution | ah, ok |
| 16:11.02 | blast007 | but that doesn't mean it linked correctly :P |
| 16:11.12 | onlinecop | Xcode shows an SDL framework in it, though I don't know which version that is attempting to use. |
| 16:11.28 | Constitution | is it red? |
| 16:11.39 | onlinecop | No. |
| 16:11.46 | blast007 | the framework in Xcode is probably only used when making the .app |
| 16:11.48 | onlinecop | lib crypto and lib curl are red, but SDL.framework is fine. |
| 16:11.57 | blast007 | since I think it includes them in the .app file |
| 16:12.07 | blast007 | the building part is all done "linux style" |
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| 16:12.29 | Constitution | do you have SDL.framework in /System/Library/Frameworks/? |
| 16:12.35 | onlinecop | Yes |
| 16:13.09 | onlinecop | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.27 | Constitution | ah right |
| 16:13.48 | Constitution | does the project build of 2.4.0 exibit the issues you are experiencing with yours? |
| 16:14.07 | onlinecop | Project build? |
| 16:14.14 | onlinecop | The one built with Xcode? |
| 16:14.17 | Constitution | the one you download from sourceforge.net |
| 16:14.33 | Constitution | sry, wording was unclear |
| 16:14.47 | blast007 | the "offical build" :) |
| 16:15.08 | blast007 | (certificate of authenticity not included) |
| 16:15.18 | onlinecop | If I run the BZFlag-2.4.0.app/Contents/MacOS/bzflag binary directly, it runs but shows that same warning. Of course, that warning is suppressed if it's not run from a terminal. |
| 16:15.22 | Constitution | I thought it was signed by riker himself |
| 16:15.24 | blast007 | not until we pay apple $100/year, at least ;) |
| 16:15.36 | Constitution | heh |
| 16:15.45 | blast007 | and get our project updated to use Xcode properly.. |
| 16:15.51 | blast007 | and care.. |
| 16:16.07 | onlinecop | You might get a whole new slew of players if it is put onto the Mac App store... |
| 16:16.29 | onlinecop | Newbs like you've never experienced before. |
| 16:16.31 | blast007 | I'd rather the game die than have it end up there |
| 16:16.52 | blast007 | I don't think we can anyways since we're open source |
| 16:17.14 | onlinecop | Growl is open source, and it's on the Mac App Store |
| 16:17.39 | blast007 | they likely had to release it under another license |
| 16:17.43 | blast007 | dual-licensed |
| 16:17.58 | blast007 | which only the copyright holder can do, which is Tim |
| 16:18.26 | blast007 | I'm not a big fan of the whole "walled garden" thing |
| 16:18.29 | onlinecop | Would some sort of build log show me which files would most likely be added into the Xcode build to make it a "proper project" ? |
| 16:18.45 | blast007 | um, all of them? :P |
| 16:18.55 | onlinecop | Even the Windows- and Linux-specific ones? |
| 16:18.56 | blast007 | it's not like "oh, let's add a few files" |
| 16:19.22 | blast007 | sure, assuming you can tell Xcode to not build certain files |
| 16:19.30 | onlinecop | We can. |
| 16:19.41 | onlinecop | We actually do the opposite: explicitly tell it which ones it SHOULD build. |
| 16:20.24 | Constitution | it's not just adding files |
| 16:20.25 | blast007 | do you have to do that for each file individually? |
| 16:20.38 | blast007 | well, yeah |
| 16:20.43 | onlinecop | Well, you can drag-and-drop an entire folder, then prune out the ones you don't want. |
| 16:20.57 | Constitution | there are a lot of optional build features in our autotools setup |
| 16:21.21 | onlinecop | Do we want curl version 1.3 or 1.4? |
| 16:21.34 | onlinecop | Just the "always the latest" for any of the libs? |
| 16:22.21 | Constitution | basically you would have to go directory-by-directory, adding stuff into the xcode project while making sure all of the optional build features are supported |
| 16:22.51 | onlinecop | What are some of the optional features that I need to look out for? |
| 16:22.55 | Constitution | something which, frankly, daunts me, given how difficult our configure.ac is to understand |
| 16:23.05 | Constitution | everything in configure.ac :) |
| 16:24.22 | Constitution | hmmm http://lists.libsdl.org/pipermail/commits-libsdl.org/2011-November/004802.html |
| 16:24.42 | Constitution | what SDK version is the xcode project targeting? |
| 16:25.09 | blast007 | Constitution: But it's a Mac. The user should only have one option, right? |
| 16:25.11 | onlinecop | Looking for a .h file that shows the version... |
| 16:25.35 | Constitution | eh, look in your xcode project build options |
| 16:25.38 | onlinecop | Constitution: The SDL version or SDK? |
| 16:25.47 | Constitution | your Mac OS X SDK |
| 16:27.12 | onlinecop | Brain fart. Where do I find that? |
| 16:28.10 | Constitution | on my Xcode version, I click the "BZFlag" project listed under Groups & Files, do Command-I, and click the "Build" tab... it's the "Base SDK" value |
| 16:29.43 | onlinecop | You're on a much older version of Xcode I see. |
| 16:30.11 | onlinecop | I have 10.7 and 10.8 SDKs in my /Developer/SDKs folders. |
| 16:30.23 | onlinecop | But that may not be the number you're referring to. |
| 16:30.59 | Constitution | I'm asking which SDK version your *bzflag xcode project* is *configured* to build with |
| 16:31.05 | Constitution | not which versions you have on your system |
| 16:31.42 | Constitution | and I thought 10.8 did away with /Developer and made it all one giant Xcode.app |
| 16:32.11 | onlinecop | They did, but they moved the /Developer folder into /Applications/Xcode.app/Content/[...stuff...]/ |
| 16:32.27 | onlinecop | So it's all still there, just a new directory than a top-level /Developer folder. |
| 16:32.47 | Constitution | okay, so your absolute path was not an absolute path :) |
| 16:33.07 | onlinecop | I've got my "deployment target" set to 10.4, but I see nothing in the new interface that shows the SDK value. |
| 16:33.14 | onlinecop | That may be it, just with a different name. |
| 16:33.29 | Constitution | where is that setting? |
| 16:34.19 | onlinecop | Is there an image dump like pastebin that I can send screenshots? |
| 16:34.28 | onlinecop | Maybe you can make heads-or-tails out of that better than words :D |
| 16:35.41 | Constitution | yeah like a million of them |
| 16:35.44 | onlinecop | http://imagebin.org/229893 |
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| 16:36.53 | onlinecop | If that doesn't show it, maybe http://imagebin.org/229894 |
| 16:37.38 | onlinecop | There's no more " Command-I " to get info on a project settings anymore; it's all "click this and wade through windows. Because we're Apple and say that's how you have to do it now". |
| 16:37.56 | Constitution | that setting shows "compiler default" on mine... but I take "1 target, Current OS X (10.7)" to be the target SDK |
| 16:39.13 | Constitution | are you using the same build environment on both 10.7 and 10.8 with macports and all? |
| 16:40.05 | onlinecop | Since 10.7 and later don't support some of those things (like with that libsdl.org link you pasted), wouldn't it make sense to use a pre-10.7 version, like 10.4 through 10.6? |
| 16:40.44 | onlinecop | And the build environment is the same on both my machines (10.7 and 10.8); they were unchanged from the svn checkout settings. |
| 16:41.11 | Constitution | I don't want to even think about the nightmare of trying to target the 10.6 SDK while building on 10.7+ |
| 16:42.09 | onlinecop | Will a build for 10.7+ run on 10.6- ? |
| 16:42.18 | Constitution | I'm sure it won't |
| 16:42.34 | onlinecop | So we have to have one Xcode project for pre-10.7, and another for 10.7 and later? |
| 16:42.59 | Constitution | we only have one Xcode project, and it only works on 10.6 and below, if it even works then |
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| 16:43.43 | Constitution | for the new Xcode project we have to create, I could care less about supporting 10.6, or 10.7 for that matter (hopefully supporting 10.7 should be as easy as targetting the older SDK version in Xcode) |
| 16:44.33 | Constitution | can you change the setting of that OS X Deployment Target? what are the options? |
| 16:44.50 | onlinecop | My current machine goes up to 10.8. |
| 16:45.23 | onlinecop | Unless there's a huge jump from 10.7 to 10.8 (like there was from 10.6 to 10.7), I'd just use the lowest one possible so it will work on both Lion and Mountain Lion. |
| 16:45.29 | Constitution | you could try changing that value, if you are really interested in trying to get the current Xcode project to work |
| 16:48.38 | Constitution | oh that's ugly... http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=229895 |
| 16:49.05 | onlinecop | You should probably scrub your name out of that screenshot :P |
| 16:49.35 | Constitution | my name is in the bz source so many times I'm sure it doesn't matter |
| 16:49.49 | Constitution | and also in /whois Constitution |
| 16:51.11 | Constitution | so our project build setting was different from our target build setting... I wonder how it ever worked |
| 16:52.14 | onlinecop | What OS X version are you running now? |
| 16:52.38 | Constitution | 10.6 |
| 16:53.17 | Constitution | meaning xcode 3.2.6 |
| 16:53.19 | onlinecop | Strange. Setting it up to 10.8 and building gives an error of: |
| 16:53.32 | onlinecop | sed: conftest.err: No such file or directory |
| 16:53.52 | onlinecop | I see all over the place that this file is created then rm'ed, so it should have just auto-generated that file, shouldn't it? |
| 16:54.19 | Constitution | you may have already addressed this... does a command-line compile work? |
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| 16:54.43 | onlinecop | It will compile fine, but running will only work windowed: going full-screen will crash. |
| 16:55.23 | Constitution | okay, and under xcode what happens when you try to build? |
| 16:56.45 | onlinecop | It appears to run ./configure and then errors on that above "sed: conftest.err" line. |
| 16:57.12 | Constitution | please pastebin the whole result |
| 16:57.42 | onlinecop | I'm recompiling now, so I have to wait for that to succeed/fail before it'll show me |
| 17:00.29 | Constitution | https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/developertools/conceptual/cross_development/Configuring/configuring.html seems to be relevant to the base sdk/deployment target distinction |
| 17:01.00 | JeffM | did a later version of xcode fix any of the build issues on ML? |
| 17:01.26 | onlinecop | I know there is a later version, but it prevents me from compiling iPhone apps for work, so I can't install it to see. :( |
| 17:02.04 | JeffM | it's probably better to use the older versions, later ones don't use GCC and nobody was able to build |
| 17:02.14 | onlinecop | Yeah; that's what we were hearing. |
| 17:02.28 | onlinecop | So I'm using the "one version before that happened" version. |
| 17:02.38 | Constitution | I thought you were using gcc from macports |
| 17:02.50 | JeffM | macports is horrible |
| 17:03.00 | onlinecop | I am. But the latest Xcode removes support of gcc, and uses only llvm. |
| 17:03.12 | JeffM | and removed autotools |
| 17:03.20 | onlinecop | Yeah. |
| 17:03.25 | Constitution | okay, I thought you just said you were using the version of xcode from before when gcc was removed |
| 17:03.30 | onlinecop | Alright; I'll have to continue this later; family has to go. |
| 17:03.35 | JeffM | macports is the simplest way to screw up an install of OSX :) |
| 17:03.58 | onlinecop | I'll stay logged in, in case you guys have other ideas that I should test when I get back. |
| 17:05.54 | JeffM | or Constitution can go help the Torque3d mac port and we can go on with that :) |
| 17:06.54 | Constitution | might be easier ;) |
| 17:07.19 | JeffM | not just easier, better in every way possible |
| 17:07.42 | Constitution | he was trying to get the existing xcode project to compile on his 10.7/10.8 systems with macports autotools and gcc |
| 17:07.59 | JeffM | yeah..... good luck |
| 17:08.18 | JeffM | he's probalby trying to get his patch to work |
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| 17:10.39 | Constitution | not that you would know anything about committing stuff before seeing if it builds ;) |
| 17:10.50 | JeffM | yep |
| 17:11.13 | JeffM | he all but admited he didn't test it because he posted that it was missing a ; |
| 17:11.28 | JeffM | I usualy at least try to compile |
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| 17:12.10 | Constitution | you can't, really, on 10.7+ |
| 17:12.16 | JeffM | nope |
| 17:12.21 | Constitution | or I guess he can, with his macports goodness |
| 17:12.32 | JeffM | so just install virtual box and a linux VM and be done with it |
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| 17:26.16 | JeffM | the only development I've been able to do in OSX is java dev in nebeans, and not being able to use the F keys on the macbook as shortcuts really sucks |
| 17:26.58 | lvlinux | hey sorry to sortof interrupt but do any of you guys know if did bzflag ever automatically do pastebins of glxinfo? |
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| 17:27.40 | Constitution | JeffM: I have my fn modifier key function reversed |
| 17:27.48 | lvlinux | I just found a pastebin from a few years ago of my glxinfo on bzflag.pastebin.ca and have no clue how it got there. |
| 17:27.50 | Constitution | I much prefer it |
| 17:27.55 | JeffM | how do you do that Constitution ? |
| 17:28.03 | Constitution | keyboard settings iirc |
| 17:28.10 | JeffM | lvlinux, no it did not |
| 17:28.20 | lvlinux | hmm that's odd then. |
| 17:28.30 | Constitution | "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys" |
| 17:28.47 | JeffM | but can you set them as keyboard shortcuts in apps? |
| 17:29.33 | Constitution | if I understand what you're talking about, yes... it does work in BZ for instance... shift-f1 vs shift-fn-f1... |
| 17:29.58 | JeffM | bz dosn't do the same thing as native apps |
| 17:30.02 | JeffM | bz does a poll system |
| 17:30.11 | JeffM | apps with menus use apple's shortcut events |
| 17:30.22 | JeffM | I'll have to try it and see |
| 17:32.03 | JeffM | I remember trying to set netbeans and monodev to use F5 and F7 but did not have any luck |
| 17:35.20 | Constitution | is CIA no more? |
| 17:35.28 | JeffM | it comes and goes |
| 17:37.43 | Constitution | their web site seems to be an apache default index page |
| 17:37.54 | JeffM | that would be the time when it goes then |
| 17:38.13 | JeffM | they are pobably moving things around |
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| 18:06.04 | Constitution | does the "set gamma" config entry sensitive at all to what machine the code was compiled on? |
| 18:06.14 | Constitution | s/does/is/ |
| 18:06.50 | JeffM | it should not be, the value is sent into openGL |
| 18:07.36 | blast007 | it's the same slider created for any system, if that's what you mean |
| 18:08.21 | blast007 | you'd have to check what all this does, though: window->setGamma(indexToGamma(list->getIndex())); |
| 18:08.47 | Constitution | really weird issue... my config (transferred from my old macbook pro) works fine with the official 2.4.0 build (also built on my old macbook pro) |
| 18:09.42 | Constitution | however, builds on my mac mini (tried 2.4.0 and trunk) have all kinds of weird color issues unless I comment out the "set gamma" value and let it recalculate it |
| 18:10.12 | blast007 | is it an SDL vs non-SDL? |
| 18:10.39 | JeffM | the value is probably relative to the machine that last set it,not what compiled it |
| 18:12.14 | Constitution | blast007: both are sdl |
| 18:13.10 | Constitution | JeffM: that makes sense, although doesn't explain why the two builds behave differently on the same machine with the same config afaik |
| 18:13.23 | blast007 | magic |
| 18:13.26 | JeffM | Apple hates you |
| 18:13.34 | JeffM | maybe it uses the new Maps API |
| 18:13.39 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:14.19 | blast007 | JeffM: would exposing that API lead to a citation for indecent exposure? |
| 18:23.17 | blast007 | JeffM: thinking more about that "auto detect settings" thing in Torque3D.. Just going by how much reported video memory there is seems like a bad way to decide what settings to use.. |
| 18:23.37 | blast007 | an actual performance test like what BZ does would make more sense |
| 18:23.43 | JeffM | sure |
| 18:25.29 | blast007 | that, and it seems like the way to detect video memory with OpenGL is through some proprietary ATI or nVidia OpenGL extensions |
| 18:25.52 | blast007 | just gets messy once you start having to do all that :) |
| 18:26.35 | JeffM | yeah GL doesn't assume a video card on the local system |
| 18:26.44 | JeffM | when it was made another computer could be doing the drawintg |
| 18:26.46 | blast007 | the actual WMI interface they're using have the AdapterRAM defined as a uint32, and the interface has been around since NT 4 ... |
| 18:26.54 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:27.18 | blast007 | but it seems like it's the only WMI interface that has that, unless I missing something |
| 18:27.59 | blast007 | you'd think they'd have one for Windows Vista/7 that could support 4GB or greater cards since we've had card with that much for a while (workstation cards, at least) |
| 18:28.09 | blast007 | cards* |
| 18:28.18 | JeffM | directX should be able to identify it |
| 18:28.33 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:28.58 | JeffM | it's always going to be OS specific so I'm sure it'll get cleaned up at some point |
| 18:29.23 | JeffM | I still like the idea of a wraper app that does auth, setttings and the like, it can do quicky tests. |
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| 19:33.48 | blast007 | this is an interesting program: http://apitrace.github.com/ |
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| 23:26.22 | onlinecop | I'm back. |
| 23:33.31 | blast007 | I'm blast. |
| 23:33.40 | onlinecop | Glad to meet you. :D |
| 23:36.19 | spldart | hrmph |
| 23:38.04 | onlinecop | Looks like Jeff rejected my Impersonate flag idea. Ugg. |
| 23:38.35 | onlinecop | I'd think it should be up to the map designers to choose to include/exclude a flag or feature. |
| 23:38.47 | onlinecop | At least on maps that want it, it can be added in without special plugins. |
| 23:39.16 | spldart | Life is replete with dissapointments I had a flag idea shot down too long ago. Flag often require code by the way. Keep that in mind. |
| 23:39.53 | spldart | And game play has a original concept to be somewhat true to. |
| 23:40.18 | onlinecop | He rejected my code patch, which implemented that flag :P |
| 23:40.40 | spldart | He has that authority. |
| 23:41.06 | spldart | He's been a very positive influence on the project so I'd say he had his legit reasons. |
| 23:42.14 | onlinecop | Maybe we should put it up to a vote of the top 3-5 contributors. |
| 23:42.38 | blast007 | well, the flag *was* on the rejected flag idea list, wasn't it? |
| 23:42.44 | spldart | Methinks you're on the path to the dark side. |
| 23:42.57 | spldart | ;) |
| 23:43.05 | onlinecop | It was; when I talked to someone else here a few days ago, they said that the idea was good and that I should continue pursuing it even though it was rejected. |
| 23:43.18 | onlinecop | Oh, there is no "dark side" to programming. |
| 23:43.23 | blast007 | sure there is |
| 23:43.24 | blast007 | Java |
| 23:43.27 | spldart | o_O |
| 23:43.33 | onlinecop | Lol, blast |
| 23:43.34 | spldart | high five |
| 23:43.42 | onlinecop | I have to amend my statement then. Java is evil. |
| 23:43.57 | spldart | sloppy code is evil too. |
| 23:44.27 | blast007 | though I suppose Java is great... if you're a hacker from Russia trying to compromise computers ;) |
| 23:44.34 | spldart | lmao |
| 23:44.44 | spldart | Don't forget china |
| 23:44.55 | spldart | oops... China... I'm terrible |
| 23:45.02 | onlinecop | My OCD makes me cringe when I look at the current bzflag indentation inconsistencies. But the rest of the code is well-built. |
| 23:45.41 | blast007 | onlinecop: you sure it's inconsistencies and not just your editor configured wrong? |
| 23:46.07 | onlinecop | Very sure. One uses tabs to indent. Another uses 2 spaces to indent, with 8 spaces turned into a tab character. |
| 23:46.19 | onlinecop | If I search-and-replace, I'd expect that a tab == 8 spaces. |
| 23:46.45 | onlinecop | But that's not always the case, so I just have to manually walk through the sources and "consistently indent" everything. |
| 23:48.12 | spldart | back to work for me :/ |
| 23:48.26 | onlinecop | Working from home has its perks ;) |
| 23:51.10 | blast007 | updated from chrome 21 to 22. seems like one of the major changes was the icon is different on the right for the menu. now it's not a wrench, it's three horizontal lines. |
| 23:51.39 | blast007 | that'll be easy to explain to people... "just click on the three horizontal lines" "... what?" |