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13:56.07BibapBadapohello all
13:56.35BibapBadapois an admin from gu league here? Im new and I cant play on league servers
14:13.34BibapBadapoall afk?
14:13.42BibapBadapoping?
14:31.38spldartWait patiently
14:31.44spldartthis channel can be slow at times.
14:32.01BibapBadapook :)
14:37.22BibapBadapomy friend nong-shim needs to be addet, too
14:49.58blast007doesn't the league site tell you who to contact?
14:52.00blast007BibapBadapo: See http://www.guleague.org/ and http://www.guleague.org/Contact/
14:57.47BibapBadapoah thanks
14:57.54BibapBadapobrad seems to be afk
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15:17.18BibapBadapoI asked nth ingame, he's going to do it. thanks all
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16:08.54JeffMshould I upgrade the SF project?
16:09.23JeffMI started the process for my other projects
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17:03.55blast007JeffM: I don't think so quite yet
17:04.01JeffMk
17:04.11JeffMI'll see how the other ones come out
17:04.37blast007I think I tried one of my own a while back and wasn't really happy with the result
17:05.11JeffMwell we can abandon SF when we redo it all in torque
17:10.20JeffMlibIRC finished upgrading, https://sourceforge.net/p/libirc
17:14.46blast007the upgrade pages says that SCM hooks will not be upgraded
17:17.46JeffMdoes that mean that they stay the same, or the new SCM will have no hooks
17:18.34blast007seems like no hooks
17:18.43blast007"The fact that you cannot configure SVN hooks in Allura also means that right now SF Allura projects cannot be integrated with http://cia.vc/ . There seems to be no (working) way to make cia.vc aware of SF Allura repository changes."
17:18.44JeffMhooking into CIA was always easy
17:18.56JeffMthat's lame
17:19.04JeffMthey should have had CIA support from the start
17:19.29blast007https://sourceforge.net/p/allura/tickets/2809/
17:19.48JeffMtime to abandon ship then
17:20.10blast007yup :)
17:20.13blast007BitBucket!
17:23.26blast007and wow.. there was only ONE upvote on that ticket?
17:46.18blast007JeffM: oh, and it seems the initial open-source release of Torque will only support Windows, since they mention "Additional platforms (OSX and Linux)" under "Post Launch"
17:46.26JeffMahh
17:46.33JeffMwell still, that'd be good enough to get started
17:46.37blast007yup
17:46.56JeffMI know the comercial one had support for them
17:47.09JeffMand I'm sure someone will make an SDL port of the engine
17:47.45blast007is it all scripted, or is stuff compiled as well?
17:48.15blast007(well, I mean, beyond the base engine)
17:51.28JeffMyou can do ether
17:51.35blast007k
17:51.38JeffMit can load compiled modules like plugins and scripts
17:51.43JeffMyou can do MOST things in scripts
17:52.11JeffMwe won't need to change the rendering system so I think we could do all scripts
17:52.26JeffMand most rendering changes can be handled via shaders
17:52.38JeffMit also has a full terrain engine
17:53.01blast007big thing to check (one I think you mentioned the other day) will be the mult-player parts of the engine
17:53.10blast007multi*
17:53.42blast007player auth, server listing, cheat detection, etc
17:59.38blast007looking good from this: http://www.garagegames.com/products/torque-3d/documentation#The_Server  ;)
17:59.48blast007authoritative server, woo
18:00.23blast007heck, might even make it possible to have moving platforms like people have wanted for years
18:00.33blast007says that collisions are handled on the server
18:06.43JeffMyeah it does normal network simulation
18:06.49JeffMhalf-life style
18:06.54JeffMit's the engine that was used in tribes 2
18:07.08JeffMso it know what it's doin
18:07.23JeffMthat's why it also has vehicle support and physics
18:07.42JeffMtribes and tribes 2 were very big on leauges and ladders and the like
18:08.05JeffMit allows moving doors and elevators
18:08.37JeffMit's probalby on par with the source engine a couple years ago
18:09.07JeffMThere are also books on how to use it and all the tools, I think I own 2 of them, or can at least get the ebook versions from school
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18:29.48BibapBadapohi all
18:29.52BibapBadapois anyone here?
18:30.14BibapBadapoespecially one of those who can add players to the gu spawn list?
18:33.23blast007again, you should read their site
18:33.34blast007it tell you to send them a message THERE
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18:34.25blast007and then you need to have some patience
18:34.50blast007tells*
18:58.28kierra_away:)
18:59.27kierra_awaypatience....is a virtue...get it while you can. Seldom found in woman, nvr found in man
18:59.37kierra_awayBibapBadapo: done
19:00.38blast007kierra_away: All generalizations are false.  ;)
19:00.45blast007(including this one!)
19:00.49kierra_awayyes dear
19:01.06kierra_awayhopefully it made you smile :)
19:01.37blast007:)
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21:51.31JeffMblast007, yeah the new STF stuff is kinda horrible
21:52.23blast007SF?
21:52.30JeffMyeah sorry SF
21:52.47JeffMI can't even figure out how to delete a project :)
21:52.48blast007yeah.. I didn't feel it was quite ready when they were urging people to upgrade a while back
21:52.57blast007and it doesn't seem like it's improved at all since then
21:52.58JeffMI think it has bad design too
21:53.09blast007(at least regarding the issues I had with it)
21:53.49JeffMoh well, easy enough to replace
21:53.53blast007I just use SF as a way to get the word out now.. I host my SCM at BitBucket, and I'd probably do the wiki and issue tracking there as well
21:53.57JeffMdoes bitbucket offer wikis?
21:54.01blast007yup
21:54.12JeffMcus we'd need something for design and management
21:54.14blast007I think, at least
21:54.34JeffMand can you have multiple repos per "project"?
21:54.46JeffMit would be nice to have a core repo, a scripts repo, and a data repo
21:55.05blast007yup, it does have wikis. And the wiki itself is handled via Mercurial, so you can clone the wiki repo and edit it offline.
21:55.17JeffMfun
21:55.25JeffMso do big edits and merge back in
21:56.27blast007they don't really split it by "project".  You can have an unlimited number of public and private repos on your account, though.
21:56.41blast007the main limit is how many users you can have working on *private* repos
21:57.08blast007(unless you pay, you can only have 5 users that can access some or all of your private repos)
21:57.24blast007but for public ones, you can have any number of users able to contribute
21:57.53JeffMahh ok
21:57.56JeffMthen yeah should be easy
21:58.05blast007whereas github charges based on how many private repos you want
21:58.25JeffMif I wanted a private repo I'd host it my self
22:08.46blast007JeffM: and BitBucket has built-in support for cia.vc ;)
22:08.55JeffMcool
22:09.20JeffMso we use that, make some design documents, co-opt the forusm and we are good
22:11.37JeffMand SillyTankGame.com is still available!
22:13.05blast007maybe we can go all pro and stuff and use something like this as well: http://www.atlassian.com/software/bamboo/overview
22:14.07blast007http://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license-request
22:14.13JeffMwe use FinalBuilder for that kinda stuff
22:14.32JeffMI still think a patcher for depolymnet is best
22:14.43JeffMat least for media and scripting
22:14.57JeffMthe engine would not change very long and the patcher could tell nixies that it's out of date
22:14.59blast007I was thinking more for automated build/testing after each commit
22:15.08JeffMtesting a game is hard
22:15.15blast007true
22:15.18JeffMautomated unit testing I mean
22:15.22blast007yeah
22:15.44blast007just saw it mentioned in bitbucket's admin area
22:15.52JeffMits' good if you can do it, but not all applications work well with it, it's not like we can open a bunch of known good files and check for expected output
22:16.06JeffMwe have an automated regression here, it gets some things
22:16.37JeffMI can conceive of how I'd do some testing, but it would not be very deep
22:17.07JeffMstart a server with a specific set of options/data and connect a client to it to run a predefined set of commands and actions
22:17.40JeffMcould start by making a "release checklist" for stuff that has to be done before every release, if we find parts are automatable then turn that into a unit test
22:17.46JeffMor a nightly
22:19.08JeffMfor the data we can have a patcher just pull from a public svn repo, and our "publish" step is just a merge from a dev branch
22:19.16JeffMsame for scripts
22:21.00JeffMthat kind of update would let us preload resources for features that would come out later
22:21.16JeffMor be activated on holidays like april fools and the like
22:37.11blast007for stuff like an april fools, you could even fork the public repo to a private repo, do the work there, then do a pull/push back into the public repo when it's ready to go live
22:39.24blast007ah, though that would run into the 5 user limit
22:40.08blast007at least if hosted there - could host the private one ourselves somewhere
22:43.21JeffMyeah having the repos would allow all kinds of publishing options, rollbacks and the like
22:44.39JeffMthe data repo could eventualy go on a hosted cloud service or something if traffic got too high
22:44.53JeffMminecraft uses a soap connection to amanzon IIRC
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