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| 04:28.28 | Constitution | jeffm: do you know what GPU your MBP has? |
| 04:28.38 | jeffm | yep |
| 04:28.50 | jeffm | intel hd 300 |
| 04:28.53 | jeffm | or 3000 |
| 04:29.04 | jeffm | whatever is one gen older then the current |
| 04:29.19 | Constitution | I just bought a refurbished current gen 13" |
| 04:29.34 | jeffm | nice |
| 04:29.45 | Constitution | for some reason something in the tank rendering (I believe) slows bz to a crawl |
| 04:30.17 | Constitution | so was curious if yours displayed the same issue, if we had the same GPU, which I guess we don't |
| 04:30.17 | jeffm | that's the HD 4000 series |
| 04:31.06 | jeffm | the ivy bridge macs have many problems, I am glad I don't have one |
| 04:31.21 | Constitution | thanks :P |
| 04:31.33 | jeffm | how many fps do you get? |
| 04:31.57 | Constitution | like 200 with no tanks in the scene, 20 with 1 tank, 12 with 2 tanks, and 2 with 3 tanks. |
| 04:32.25 | jeffm | odd |
| 04:32.35 | jeffm | they are just display lists |
| 04:34.25 | Constitution | yeah no idea... going to try it under windows if I can |
| 04:35.29 | Constitution | apple probably decided display lists were not innovative so rendering would be intentionally slowed |
| 04:35.39 | jeffm | or intel just suks |
| 04:36.22 | Constitution | 2 fps is a lot of sucking |
| 04:36.37 | jeffm | how much ram do you have? |
| 04:36.50 | Constitution | 384 I think |
| 04:37.00 | jeffm | system ram? |
| 04:37.04 | Constitution | 4GB |
| 04:37.41 | jeffm | double that |
| 04:37.49 | jeffm | it's worth it |
| 04:39.08 | jeffm | I'm using 2.7 gigs, in firefox and IRC |
| 04:40.41 | Constitution | ML must be a hog |
| 04:41.05 | jeffm | lion was similary bad |
| 04:41.14 | jeffm | probably all the compositing memory |
| 04:41.50 | Constitution | do you happen to have a copy of Lion installed somewhere still that might have an older kext for the intel hd 4000? |
| 04:42.28 | Constitution | it won't even let me install Lion on mine... even though that's what originally shipped with it... |
| 04:42.53 | jeffm | nope i only have one mac |
| 04:43.08 | jeffm | yeah the upgrade to ML for new machines is in the firmware |
| 04:43.15 | jeffm | yay apple I guess.... |
| 04:44.59 | Constitution | otherwise, I guess I can try to diagnose this issue once we have a working Xcode project |
| 04:45.25 | jeffm | so 2015 then |
| 04:46.16 | Constitution | heh |
| 04:46.38 | jeffm | windows 7 should bootcamp on it just fine |
| 04:47.00 | Constitution | windows 8 was not so happy, right? |
| 04:47.22 | jeffm | no, there are no good drives for the apple hardware parts |
| 04:47.24 | jeffm | use 7 |
| 04:47.31 | jeffm | it's very easy to install |
| 04:47.52 | jeffm | just follow the bootcamp instructions and make a flash drive with the win7 drivers |
| 04:50.27 | Constitution | unfortunately I would have to buy it |
| 04:50.40 | jeffm | 30 day demo! |
| 04:50.49 | Constitution | oh? |
| 04:51.11 | jeffm | yeah all installs allow a 30 day demo before activation is require |
| 04:51.22 | jeffm | remember, ms is not evil anymore ;) |
| 04:51.29 | jeffm | apple and oracle are |
| 04:51.55 | jeffm | but for the love of god don't put linux on it |
| 04:52.34 | Constitution | too late |
| 04:52.44 | Constitution | well, I guess I haven't finished yet |
| 04:52.50 | jeffm | I had more problems with that |
| 04:52.58 | jeffm | ended up using a VM for linux |
| 04:53.02 | jeffm | works fine in a VM |
| 04:53.14 | Constitution | linux is pretty hard to get set up on a lot of hardware, though |
| 04:53.27 | jeffm | just modern hardware. |
| 04:53.37 | jeffm | not all of the stuff in the macbook is by intel |
| 04:53.52 | jeffm | it's the apple specific stuff that freaks, keyboard, lights, trackpad, etc.. |
| 05:03.21 | Constitution | well, can't reproduce the behavior in windows 8 with the beta driver from intel |
| 05:03.40 | jeffm | then it's probably crappy old apple driver |
| 05:03.45 | jeffm | they will fix it in 10.8 |
| 05:04.33 | Constitution | get about 100 fps on mofo with 20 tanks |
| 05:05.00 | jeffm | but OSX is the most advanced OS Evar! |
| 05:05.44 | Constitution | right, with old drivers nobody can touch |
| 05:07.44 | jeffm | apple knows best |
| 05:08.01 | Constitution | where's the bz config located again in modern windows? |
| 05:08.28 | jeffm | c/users/yourname/appdata/local/something |
| 05:08.40 | jeffm | then installer put a shortcut to it |
| 05:08.47 | Constitution | ah, hidden |
| 05:08.59 | jeffm | yeah, you are a developer, turn all that on |
| 05:10.28 | jeffm | I get no FPS drop with tanks on the screen in 2.4.0 |
| 05:11.51 | Constitution | k thanks |
| 05:14.44 | jeffm | it says I am using 512 megs of ram for video |
| 05:15.00 | Constitution | was that in windows or os x? |
| 05:15.09 | jeffm | OSX |
| 05:16.57 | jeffm | have to reboot for windows |
| 05:17.17 | Constitution | yeah I get no issue in 2.4.0 for windows |
| 05:17.31 | Constitution | so driver I guess, or other Apple awesomeness |
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| 05:33.23 | Constitution | I wonder what triggers it though... the tank can't be the only thing that's drawn with a list, can it? |
| 05:52.01 | jeffm | it is |
| 05:53.42 | jeffm | the world geo is dynamicly tessellated for lighting |
| 05:53.53 | jeffm | so I don't think much else uses lists |
| 05:54.15 | jeffm | meshes may |
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| 12:56.02 | trepan | see BZDB meshLists, flagLists, and lightLists (and drawinfo's, depending and how they're configured) |
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