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| 03:28.30 | jeffm | oh.. the very fact that he thinks "baiting" is a think he's accused of doing is HILARIOUS |
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| 04:13.10 | I_Died_Once | "grandma always said it would make you go blind!" |
| 04:13.21 | I_Died_Once | maybe thats why so many people find the blue flag hard to spot |
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| 05:00.31 | spldart | Green, Red... As it should be |
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| 16:50.08 | JeffM | blast007, joevano you should probalby just delete that 'baitor' thread before I fall out of my chair laughing. |
| 16:57.12 | joevano | i let it set as long as I could before pointing out the obvious |
| 16:59.06 | JeffM | that reaction is exactly what the troll was looking for |
| 17:18.52 | JeffM | Yay, I broke our version controll system! |
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| 17:23.18 | Constitution | ~git |
| 17:24.50 | I_Died_Once | I went to reply to it last night and decided not to |
| 17:27.13 | a_meteor | +1 git |
| 17:28.56 | JeffM | -1 git |
| 17:30.01 | Constitution | ~spell controll |
| 17:30.01 | JeffM | we don't have a git repo Constitution |
| 17:30.04 | Constitution | ;) |
| 17:30.30 | Constitution | no doubt that is why it broke |
| 17:30.42 | JeffM | git would not work for us |
| 17:31.18 | JeffM | it's the mysql backend this time |
| 17:32.10 | JeffM | tho I think we should have picked svn |
| 17:32.30 | Constitution | you mean viable alternatives to git exist? |
| 17:32.41 | JeffM | many |
| 17:32.50 | Constitution | (trying to be sarcastic, but not succeeding very well) |
| 17:32.59 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:33.21 | JeffM | were you baiting me? |
| 17:33.51 | JeffM | you stole my name!!!!!!!! |
| 17:34.13 | JeffM | but then everyone gets a little more awesome when they become a jeff, even if for a little while |
| 17:34.33 | a_meteor | I guess I missed an entertaining thread seeing a reference to it twice now... |
| 17:34.42 | a_meteor | (but I miss everything on the bzbb now) |
| 17:34.43 | JeffM | oh it was hilarious |
| 17:34.47 | JeffM | you are a lucky man |
| 17:36.05 | JeffM | wonders if he should ask his Java teacher what 'zero day' means when he starts class next week. |
| 17:37.39 | Constitution | does it refer to the length of the class? |
| 17:38.05 | JeffM | heh, no |
| 17:38.23 | JeffM | you haven't heard about the java zero day exploit of note this week? |
| 17:38.40 | JeffM | as in turn that stuff off in your browser if you know what's good for you |
| 17:39.21 | a_meteor | what sites even use Java anymore? icky |
| 17:39.33 | JeffM | you'd be suprized |
| 17:39.35 | blast007 | a_meteor: the attack sites |
| 17:39.37 | blast007 | :P |
| 17:39.41 | a_meteor | heh, true.. |
| 17:39.49 | JeffM | I'd remove it from my machine if I could |
| 17:39.54 | JeffM | but some of our tools need it |
| 17:40.01 | blast007 | ditto.. we need it here for some stuff |
| 17:40.17 | blast007 | or at least, I'm told ;) |
| 17:40.27 | a_meteor | so basically old corporate stuff that never changes, or something like that? |
| 17:40.29 | JeffM | I disabled the add-in for now |
| 17:40.37 | JeffM | no, some tools are just writen in it |
| 17:40.43 | JeffM | our text comparitor is done in java |
| 17:41.08 | JeffM | and I think some parts of the bug tracker |
| 17:41.21 | a_meteor | oh, java programs, not applets then? |
| 17:41.25 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:41.34 | JeffM | not all things use the "web" |
| 17:41.51 | a_meteor | but but Web 2.0 and stuff! |
| 17:42.01 | JeffM | gets his gun |
| 17:42.09 | a_meteor | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.20 | JeffM | is outa bullets anyway |
| 17:42.23 | blast007 | "And on Tuesday, Mozilla, maker of Firefox, joined the chorus of advice that users should disable the current version of Oracle's Java." Ah, good. I'm not running the current version! ;) |
| 17:42.38 | a_meteor | blast007: so you just have some other security hole then ;) |
| 17:42.51 | blast007 | or likely, others AND that one |
| 17:43.09 | blast007 | it's a bit more fun when you have 500 computers.. |
| 17:43.29 | JeffM | and 1000 idiots changing settings on them all the time |
| 17:43.50 | blast007 | and I don't have active directory niceness.. |
| 17:44.14 | blast007 | I have the duct-taped-on novell yuckness |
| 17:44.31 | JeffM | you could always come work here :) |
| 17:44.36 | blast007 | :P |
| 17:45.19 | blast007 | I'm close to having this network the way I want it... next year |
| 17:45.25 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:45.38 | JeffM | you do probably have more bandwith then us |
| 17:45.44 | JeffM | but then we are getting more next year |
| 17:45.53 | JeffM | 50 both ways |
| 17:46.08 | blast007 | this year was getting rid of the macs, more smartboards, some PC upgrades, and migrating to Google Apps |
| 17:46.20 | blast007 | we have 20 up/down |
| 17:46.36 | JeffM | my college just moved us to google mail |
| 17:46.46 | JeffM | amazing it works much better now |
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| 21:39.12 | AAA_awright | <JeffM> git would not work for us |
| 21:39.12 | AAA_awright | What? I've maintained a Git export for years because it's _perfect_ for BZFlag |
| 21:40.00 | JeffM | AAA_awright, once again, you miss the point and go zealtous, I was talking about our VCS at work, not bzflag |
| 21:40.13 | AAA_awright | Same point applies |
| 21:40.19 | AAA_awright | Also, /topic |
| 21:40.28 | JeffM | sure, there was nothing else going on |
| 21:40.52 | JeffM | but I love how you can say git will work for us at my office when you don't even know our development style :) |
| 21:41.08 | JeffM | for bzflag, a dvcs would probably work fine for how it's managed now |
| 21:41.18 | AAA_awright | I've seen so many development styles I think I can safely assume |
| 21:41.33 | AAA_awright | No guarentees but how many styles can there be? >_> |
| 21:41.35 | JeffM | well good thing you don't work here then |
| 21:42.21 | JeffM | you'd probalby want to just rewrite it all anway ;) |
| 21:43.03 | JeffM | for us here, the strenths of DVCs are not really things we do often or at all. |
| 21:43.23 | AAA_awright | Merging and branching? |
| 21:43.26 | JeffM | yep |
| 21:44.00 | JeffM | we mostly use it for history and central locking |
| 21:44.05 | AAA_awright | Maybe you live without it but it's one of those things when you pick it up you can never return |
| 21:44.13 | JeffM | and integration with our buck tracker |
| 21:44.38 | JeffM | it depends on how big your prioject is, how many people work on it, if your changes are atomic, and other stuff |
| 21:44.57 | JeffM | we have looked at many systems in the past |
| 21:45.02 | JeffM | all were better then source safe |
| 21:45.21 | JeffM | this one worked the best with our flow and the other tools we were getting |
| 21:46.13 | JeffM | I'm sure we could make git work it just would not buy as as much as some other projects like this one where the developers are spred out. |
| 21:47.01 | JeffM | yes personal branches would be easier to deal with but we'd loose a lot of other integration stuff and that's what we use mostly. |
| 21:48.42 | JeffM | does linus pay you to chime up about git anytime someone mentions a VCS? |
| 21:49.58 | AAA_awright | With a personal visit and a pina colada, how did you guess |
| 21:50.34 | JeffM | he must do the same for the eclipse team too |
| 21:51.26 | AAA_awright | Bug tracking would be a good reason to avoid upgrading... Might also be a valid reason to get a new bug tracker. That's probably really expensive (to time and effort), though I wouldn't be suprised if it was outweighed by the whole antiquity of the current system. |
| 21:51.46 | JeffM | wow you assume a lot |
| 21:51.59 | JeffM | we are on the current version of our VCS and our bug tracker |
| 21:52.03 | JeffM | they are activly developed |
| 21:52.09 | JeffM | so there is no "upgrade" |
| 21:52.16 | AAA_awright | Upgrade as in, ditch it |
| 21:52.24 | JeffM | you assume another thing would be better |
| 21:52.33 | JeffM | our bug tracker is super powerful |
| 21:52.48 | JeffM | it can integrate with git if it has to, it's just not as slick |
| 21:52.57 | JeffM | same goes for git integration with visual studio |
| 21:53.14 | JeffM | or a place that dosn't have per user linux accounts |
| 21:53.28 | AAA_awright | So it supports Git? I'm passionate about Git because it's the first and only thing I've ever seen that actually has the proper notions, the proper semantics, around revision control |
| 21:53.43 | JeffM | that you didn't have to buy? |
| 21:54.30 | JeffM | or have you evaluated all the comercial products out there too? |
| 21:54.58 | AAA_awright | Supposedly BitKeeper also did many of the same things correctly, I haven't tried that, but almost none of the commercial products I've seen do it correctly. |
| 21:55.08 | JeffM | ok |
| 21:55.12 | JeffM | ours works for us |
| 21:55.38 | JeffM | when we swaped we look at a lot of things, we almost went with svn but the integration wasn't there |
| 21:57.02 | JeffM | our developers don't want to type in a command line to run a tool, and the integrations for git, svn, and the like are not that great |
| 21:57.30 | JeffM | ankh is getting close to being good enough |
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