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| 04:22.06 | JeffM | heh, so a game that has 44 THOUSAND players on right now has only twice as many servers as bzflag ;) |
| 05:03.33 | BulletCatcher | I bet tanks can't fly in that game. |
| 05:05.07 | JeffM | if you drop a grenade under them they can |
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| 10:57.43 | ashvala | Hey |
| 10:58.02 | ashvala | I wanted to bring to your attention the fact that BZFlag 2.4 has a couple of bugs on OS X |
| 10:58.30 | ashvala | 1) It's not very good on Intel HD4000 Graphics |
| 10:58.42 | ashvala | 2) It does not minimize on OS X Lion/Mountain Lion. |
| 11:58.10 | brad | is BZRobots or some other server-side bot available in 2.4 or are they both 3.0 only? |
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| 12:32.22 | blast007 | ashvala: did you build this yourself, or are you using the 2.4.0 package we provided? |
| 12:32.32 | blast007 | brad: only in 2.99.x |
| 12:36.03 | ashvala | blast007: your package. |
| 12:37.34 | blast007 | fun |
| 12:38.12 | blast007 | could you define "not very good" regarding your first point? |
| 12:39.29 | ashvala | well, it drops a lot of frames |
| 12:39.46 | blast007 | "drops" ? |
| 12:39.53 | ashvala | yeah |
| 12:40.01 | ashvala | so, I turned off the energy saver to maximize FPS |
| 12:40.02 | blast007 | what do you mean it drops? it isn't a video |
| 12:40.08 | ashvala | well, it's similar |
| 12:40.19 | blast007 | no, it's not |
| 12:40.32 | ashvala | basically, it kitts. |
| 12:40.34 | ashvala | jitts* |
| 12:40.48 | blast007 | if you have the energy saver turned on, it will only get 30 FPS at most, unless you adjust the limiter |
| 12:41.01 | ashvala | No, I actually have the energy turned off |
| 12:41.02 | blast007 | since, that's what the enegery saver *does* :) it limits your FPS |
| 12:41.17 | blast007 | how many FPS do you get when it's turned off? |
| 12:41.30 | ashvala | 21 tops |
| 12:41.54 | blast007 | then something is wrong with your computer |
| 12:42.05 | blast007 | what resolution are you running at? |
| 12:42.18 | ashvala | 1440x900 |
| 12:42.53 | ashvala | however, a lot of other games, such as skyrim, Batman Arkham, GTA San Andreas and such tend to work at a reasonable 30 FPS. |
| 12:43.52 | blast007 | well, we're not other games |
| 12:44.13 | blast007 | apple's video drivers have been notoriously bad |
| 12:44.26 | blast007 | have you tried turning off smoothing? |
| 12:44.32 | ashvala | true, and yes |
| 12:45.00 | ashvala | no use |
| 12:45.08 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 12:45.27 | blast007 | I guess if you intended to play games, you shouldn't have gotten such a terrible video chipset |
| 12:46.15 | blast007 | I'm betting my $200 PC I just got could outperform that - it's got an onboard Radeon HD 4250. |
| 12:47.03 | ashvala | I have an NVidia 650M chip on this |
| 12:47.14 | ashvala | but, when I'm on the road, I'd much rather stay on the intel |
| 12:47.16 | blast007 | you said it was an Intel HD4000 |
| 12:47.19 | ashvala | yeah |
| 12:47.23 | ashvala | this is the new MBP |
| 12:47.28 | blast007 | ... |
| 12:47.35 | ashvala | it has both |
| 12:47.36 | blast007 | so run it in the game chip then |
| 12:47.39 | blast007 | gaming* |
| 12:48.01 | ashvala | but, the performance is pretty dismal on one of the chips and I thought it'd be best to bring it to your attention. |
| 12:48.36 | blast007 | it's more like the performance of your intel chipset is dismal |
| 12:48.51 | ashvala | perhaps |
| 12:49.03 | blast007 | and I suppose bootcamp on that thing can only use one of those |
| 12:49.07 | blast007 | probably the nvidia |
| 12:49.31 | ashvala | yep |
| 12:52.51 | ashvala | however, I'm working on getting a native installation of ubuntu up |
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| 17:12.48 | JeffM | hey, I_Died_Once want to try a plugin for me? |
| 17:13.01 | JeffM | or blast007 :) |
| 17:15.41 | I_Died_Once | maybe, whatcha got? |
| 17:16.02 | I_Died_Once | we just launched some new stuff last night |
| 17:16.22 | JeffM | I know, it was reading your post that made me want to make this |
| 17:16.32 | JeffM | it's a different bount system |
| 17:16.35 | JeffM | bounty |
| 17:16.43 | I_Died_Once | its pretty awesome - we're placing a bounty on the head of any tank on a rampage |
| 17:16.46 | JeffM | you spawn with a 1 point bounty |
| 17:16.57 | JeffM | when you kill someone you get there current bounty |
| 17:17.00 | I_Died_Once | go on |
| 17:17.03 | JeffM | when you die you respawn with 1 |
| 17:17.32 | JeffM | that's it |
| 17:17.51 | JeffM | so the people who are the best at kilin are the best targets |
| 17:17.59 | JeffM | and they get attacked a lot more |
| 17:19.10 | I_Died_Once | so... if jeffm is kicking butt, and manages to get an 8 point bounty on your head... and i kill you, the bounty is now on my head, in addition to whatever bounty i already have racked up? |
| 17:19.20 | JeffM | yep |
| 17:19.24 | I_Died_Once | when would those bounties be paid? |
| 17:19.30 | JeffM | never, it's just score |
| 17:19.38 | JeffM | bzflag has no money :) |
| 17:19.44 | I_Died_Once | the points "are" the money |
| 17:19.52 | JeffM | the you always have them |
| 17:19.57 | JeffM | you are worth what you can kill |
| 17:20.07 | JeffM | here the points are the bounty |
| 17:20.09 | JeffM | they change hands |
| 17:20.14 | JeffM | you can't cashout |
| 17:20.21 | JeffM | well you cashout when you leave |
| 17:20.41 | I_Died_Once | so in your concept the points are deducted from the rampaging player? |
| 17:20.54 | JeffM | there is no "rampage" |
| 17:21.06 | JeffM | when you die, your score is set to 1, and the killer gets his score + your score |
| 17:21.14 | JeffM | it's on EVERY kill |
| 17:21.26 | JeffM | the scoreboad is constantly changing |
| 17:21.58 | I_Died_Once | if you code it up we'll give it a try |
| 17:22.05 | JeffM | I am testing it now |
| 17:22.15 | I_Died_Once | compare and maybe steal components if not switch over altogether |
| 17:22.23 | JeffM | you can not combine this with any other score based plugin |
| 17:22.37 | JeffM | so no rampage, or your existing bounty system |
| 17:22.45 | I_Died_Once | not even he double point and triple pont flags? |
| 17:22.46 | JeffM | this forces the scores to specific values |
| 17:22.48 | JeffM | nope |
| 17:22.52 | JeffM | it will overide that |
| 17:23.10 | JeffM | it does it's own score tracking system and replaces the score with the bounty |
| 17:23.20 | JeffM | tks are the same, and losses are your deaths |
| 17:23.25 | JeffM | and it's only for openFFA |
| 17:23.27 | JeffM | no team crap |
| 17:23.43 | JeffM | bounty hunter free for all |
| 17:23.53 | I_Died_Once | wait... so if I have a camper like Tanx with a score of 150 on.... |
| 17:24.03 | JeffM | someone has to go find his ass |
| 17:24.07 | I_Died_Once | i would get his whole score? |
| 17:24.10 | JeffM | yep |
| 17:24.20 | JeffM | he's a tasty target, and he goes back to 1 |
| 17:24.26 | I_Died_Once | aww man that has the potential to get ugly |
| 17:24.26 | JeffM | now you are worth 160 |
| 17:24.40 | JeffM | he can get his score back by killing you |
| 17:24.51 | JeffM | but he'd have to come out of hiding ;) |
| 17:24.57 | I_Died_Once | that would result in one jacked up scoreboard |
| 17:25.18 | JeffM | thats why this plugin tracks it all itself and dosn't work with other plugins |
| 17:25.28 | JeffM | you should probalby try it on a test server |
| 17:25.33 | JeffM | if that's possible |
| 17:27.24 | I_Died_Once | thats a big game changer |
| 17:27.36 | I_Died_Once | we were just wanting to spread out a few extra points |
| 17:27.49 | I_Died_Once | excellent concept, puts more on the line |
| 17:28.00 | JeffM | just saying it exists, if you want to try it go for it, if not no harm no foul |
| 17:28.13 | JeffM | I just know you like you some openFFA and that's all this works with |
| 17:28.54 | I_Died_Once | yeah, i'm thinking we might keep our existing one for the apocalypse, and maybe use your for the passion of 'da FFA |
| 17:29.32 | I_Died_Once | what I think is cool about it is now, you have several option of.... professions? for your tank |
| 17:29.38 | I_Died_Once | you can be a traditional player |
| 17:29.41 | I_Died_Once | a flag capper |
| 17:29.45 | I_Died_Once | and a bounty hunter |
| 17:29.52 | I_Died_Once | and all earn points |
| 17:30.13 | JeffM | yes, this forces all people to be in the bounty war |
| 17:30.54 | JeffM | http://opencombat.invertedpolarity.com/code/bz/bounty.zip |
| 17:31.23 | JeffM | if it tests out as fun I'll release it on the forums |
| 17:32.25 | I_Died_Once | all we need now to a way to make a tank a wizard, or a cleric |
| 17:32.58 | JeffM | give me 6 people and 6 months and done |
| 17:34.48 | JeffM | I would like to do a proper CTF but I don't think it's possible with the API |
| 17:50.29 | blast007 | that sounds neat. I will have to try that out later. |
| 17:57.53 | JeffM | It has had minimal testing so let me know if it needs fixes, but it's SUPER simple code |
| 18:00.48 | blast007 | hey, it compiled. SHIP IT! |
| 18:09.58 | JeffM | I made sure it ran and loaded on windows and a client could connect |
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| 20:07.43 | randomparticle | bananas |
| 20:10.39 | I_Died_Once | grapefruits |
| 20:15.45 | ThePurplePanzer | nuts. |
| 20:21.51 | randomparticle | genetically we're 50% bananas and 98% chimps |
| 20:22.30 | randomparticle | might be higher for some people ;) |
| 20:28.13 | brad | ~lart randomparticle |
| 20:28.13 | ibot | runs at randomparticle with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 20:28.15 | brad | you ready?.. |
| 20:28.27 | randomparticle | did you say match? |
| 20:28.30 | brad | bzf54 |
| 20:28.34 | randomparticle | ok |
| 20:55.05 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, if you run my plugin you can call the server "the muntiny of the bounty" |
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| 21:38.52 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, my condolences |
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| 21:50.55 | JBdiGriz | I just read the slashdot article. It's a sad day. |
| 21:51.08 | JeffM | he has just gone to the planet of 10,000 bars |
| 22:06.57 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, if the bounty plugin ends up with too high a score, we can make it declare the person who gets to 1000 bounty the "winner" and then blow everyone up and start over |
| 22:08.59 | I_Died_Once | i think Jeff digs the bounty hunter concept more than I do |
| 22:10.06 | I_Died_Once | Tanx has broken 1000 a number of times on the apocalypse |
| 22:14.22 | JeffM | I have played a similar method in another game and it was super fun |
| 22:14.58 | JeffM | it lets the game turn from free for all into a sort of competitive rabit chase |
| 22:15.24 | JeffM | and I know you are open to trying new things and have the most popular server evar |
| 22:15.29 | I_Died_Once | the orginal concept i had was different bounty amounts depending on which flag the player had |
| 22:15.58 | I_Died_Once | killing a player with GM and SW would pay out one amount, a player rampaging with ST would pay out a different amount |
| 22:16.04 | JeffM | that would be hard to comunicate to the player |
| 22:16.16 | I_Died_Once | but people can drop flags and that got nasty when trying to aplit hairs on implementation |
| 22:16.22 | I_Died_Once | **split hair |
| 22:16.30 | JeffM | yeah I could see that being problematic |
| 22:16.53 | JeffM | there are other variations that give bounty points the longer you stay alive |
| 22:17.00 | JeffM | like you'd get a point ever 30 seconds |
| 22:17.04 | I_Died_Once | so after much thought and concept revision, we went with any player on any rampage |
| 22:17.27 | I_Died_Once | add in the chaos that is the apocalypse |
| 22:17.27 | JeffM | sure that is probably a good first implementation to see how it plays out |
| 22:17.33 | JeffM | has it been popular? |
| 22:17.41 | I_Died_Once | we just launched it last night |
| 22:17.53 | JeffM | well then at least 30 people have played it |
| 22:18.07 | I_Died_Once | too soon to tell, most everyone so far has said good things |
| 22:18.27 | I_Died_Once | I asked SPazzy McGee to make us an old wild west style Wanted poster |
| 22:18.41 | I_Died_Once | Wanted: Any player on a rampage |
| 22:18.42 | JeffM | you could do it bobafet style too |
| 22:19.36 | I_Died_Once | would love to have that too |
| 22:19.43 | JeffM | can you set handicap per player in the API? |
| 22:19.53 | JeffM | give people on a rampage "wookie rage" |
| 22:20.24 | I_Died_Once | for that much we can dig the old death star out and the laser world weapon... |
| 22:20.32 | I_Died_Once | for the fully functional battle station |
| 22:20.43 | JeffM | fully armed AND operational |
| 22:20.48 | I_Died_Once | "Thats no moon!" |
| 22:21.27 | I_Died_Once | next up is the MoFo Cup |
| 22:22.16 | I_Died_Once | imay have shared htis in here before, dont remember... where we keep track of which (registered) player has captured how many flags |
| 22:23.13 | I_Died_Once | a two week or so competition, not decided yet... a game within the game, running the background, if you will... only fair caps count... winners announced when its done |
| 22:23.31 | I_Died_Once | should encourage CTF |
| 22:23.39 | I_Died_Once | & be fun |
| 22:24.06 | I_Died_Once | theres been interest in a league... not sure how that'll play out |
| 22:26.05 | I_Died_Once | after that, I think we have whored our server completely out, forgive the term |
| 22:26.39 | I_Died_Once | couldn;t be happier |
| 22:29.29 | JeffM | I found it funny that TF2 has only about twice as many servers as us |
| 22:29.55 | I_Died_Once | I'd like to officially invite everyone to fire up your bzflag clients and come get a bounty or three at the Apocalypse |
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